So, are we trolling or are you going to actually add a lil something to the convo here? As the creator of this thread, I did not intend for it to be one of open hostility or trolling. It's one for dialogue.
Now, either you can have some stats or you can say "this is anecdotal because it happened to me."
But, I'm not interested in having this thread derailed with Foolishness.
No absolutely not trolling. You asked for explanations and I'm just offering up what I have observed. I'm certainly not trying to derail such an important conversation. As far as an anecdote, I could offer several but one sticks out in my mind the most. My (white) goddaughter came from absolute poverty, she was the first in her family to go to college. She was on a partial scholarship that she had to maintain a 3.75 to keep. Her black roommate (who she adores- they are still friends) had a full ride that she only had to maintain a 2.5 to keep (specific minority scholarship- white people not eligible.) My goddaughter had to photocopy classmates textbooks because she could not afford her own. The $ she made from her job at a sub shop went to pay for her housing. She is still paying off student loans. Her black friend/roommate got her scholarship check and went shopping because her engineer father had already paid for her books. I'm not defending either position- I was just offering perspective as to why.
This has nothing to do with AA. You are jealous / pissed that your goddaughter wasn't eligible for the same scholarship as a black woman and that she has to work harder for less. Simple as that. Reverse racism, right?
To add to the bolded..white resentment to Affirmative Action is very strong. PP above says she didn't have the test scores and qualifications to attend the schools she applied to and I am sure that is the case in many situations. But, the reality is because of the quotas imposed by affirmative action, many white kids with grades and test scores above and beyond are denied admission in favor of black kids with lower scores and poorer grades. I understand white privilege plays a part but I can understand the resentment a white family (especially a lower income one) would feel when their child worked hard, overcame their own adversity, and achieved academic success only to be pushed aside for a less qualified student due to their lack of melanin. To me, this is just repeating the shameful mistakes of the past.
the resentment is so real that it's showing up right here in your bullshit.
What is "qualified"? A test score? A GPA? Test scores are white colonial nonsense in the first place, so if that is your qualification, then it is a racist one. GPA's are also nonsense through inflation and varying standards. Extracurricular activities? Are they a qualification? If so, then that too is a racist one, as schools offer varying opportunities depending on wealth. So "less qualified" really has no actual meaning.
And it doesn't happen, so...
If "non-racist" people like you were actually interested in injustice in admissions, you'd be going after legacy admissions, or you'd be going after authentic admissions (essays and interviews instead of scores and garbage). But no. "Less qualified" applicants with melanin is the go-to. GTFO.
So, are we trolling or are you going to actually add a lil something to the convo here? As the creator of this thread, I did not intend for it to be one of open hostility or trolling. It's one for dialogue.
Now, either you can have some stats or you can say "this is anecdotal because it happened to me."
But, I'm not interested in having this thread derailed with Foolishness.ย
No absolutely not trolling. You asked for explanations and I'm just offering up what I have observed.ย I'm certainly not trying to derail such an important conversation.ย ย As far asย an anecdote, I could offer several but one sticks out in my mind the most.ย My (white) goddaughter came from absolute poverty, she was the first in her family to go to college.ย She was on a partial scholarship that she had to maintain a 3.75 to keep.ย Her black roommate (who she adores- they are still friends) had a full ride that she only had to maintain a 2.5 to keep (specific minority scholarship- white people not eligible.)ย My goddaughter had to photocopyย classmates textbooks because she could not afford her own.ย The $ she made from her job at aย sub shop went to pay for her housing.ย She is still paying off student loans.ย Her black friend/roommate got her scholarship check and went shopping because her engineer father had already paid for her books.ย I'm not defending either position- I was just offering perspective as to why.
This anecdote doesnโt at all support the position you started in your original post about the relative qualifications of white applicants and applicants of color and who is admitted. It is actually largely unrelated to that point, at least insofar as the information you included.
Thereโs a big difference between your claim that highly qualified white applicants are being passed over for less qualified applicants of color and the anecdote about specific scholarships that are established (often the criteria is not even set by the school itself) to support higher education for people of specific racial or ethnic demographics. I hope youโre not trying to suggest that these need-blind scholarships shouldnโt be allowed or that they have anything to do with affirmative action. Itโs a completely different conversation.
But none of this shit is neither here nor there. She got a different scholarship than her roommate. She had different parents than her roommate. Period.
AGAIN for the reading comprehension challenged....the scholarship her roommate received was not available to her BECAUSE SHE IS WHITE. I'm not arguing for or against it. OP asked for explanations and I'm recounted what I've experienced.
That still has nothing to do with AA. Also, is this your attempt to make it sound like she is a victim of reverse racism? BECAUSE THT ISNโT A THING.
But none of this shit is neither here nor there. She got a different scholarship than her roommate. She had different parents than her roommate. Period.
AGAIN for the reading comprehension challenged....the scholarship her roommate received was not available to her BECAUSE SHE IS WHITE. I'm not arguing for or against it. OP asked for explanations and I'm recounted what I've experienced.
And there are scholarships out there that are only available for Hispanics, Italians, Koreans, etc. and Muslims, Christians, Baptists, Atheists.
AGAIN for the reading comprehension challenged....the scholarship her roommate received was not available to her BECAUSE SHE IS WHITE. I'm not arguing for or against it. OP asked for explanations and I'm recounted what I've experienced.
And so what if that scholarship was available only to black students?
There are scholarships available only to athletes. There are scholarships available only to children of people who serve in the military. There are scholarships available only to children people who work at certain companies. There are scholarships available only to kids who have artistic talent. There are scholarships available only to kids of certain religions. There are scholarships available only to kids who live in certain states.
So, are we trolling or are you going to actually add a lil something to the convo here? As the creator of this thread, I did not intend for it to be one of open hostility or trolling. It's one for dialogue.
Now, either you can have some stats or you can say "this is anecdotal because it happened to me."
But, I'm not interested in having this thread derailed with Foolishness.ย
No absolutely not trolling. You asked for explanations and I'm just offering up what I have observed.ย I'm certainly not trying to derail such an important conversation.ย ย As far asย an anecdote, I could offer several but one sticks out in my mind the most.ย My (white) goddaughter came from absolute poverty, she was the first in her family to go to college.ย She was on a partial scholarship that she had to maintain a 3.75 to keep.ย Her black roommate (who she adores- they are still friends) had a full ride that she only had to maintain a 2.5 to keep (specific minority scholarship- white people not eligible.)ย My goddaughter had to photocopyย classmates textbooks because she could not afford her own.ย The $ she made from her job at aย sub shop went to pay for her housing.ย She is still paying off student loans.ย Her black friend/roommate got her scholarship check and went shopping because her engineer father had already paid for her books.ย I'm not defending either position- I was just offering perspective as to why.
Do you have any experience with scholarships because you're typing words as if it's a pie with a finite pool from one source and that's not the case, ma'am
So, are we trolling or are you going to actually add a lil something to the convo here? As the creator of this thread, I did not intend for it to be one of open hostility or trolling. It's one for dialogue.
Now, either you can have some stats or you can say "this is anecdotal because it happened to me."
But, I'm not interested in having this thread derailed with Foolishness.
No absolutely not trolling. You asked for explanations and I'm just offering up what I have observed. I'm certainly not trying to derail such an important conversation. As far as an anecdote, I could offer several but one sticks out in my mind the most. My (white) goddaughter came from absolute poverty, she was the first in her family to go to college. She was on a partial scholarship that she had to maintain a 3.75 to keep. Her black roommate (who she adores- they are still friends) had a full ride that she only had to maintain a 2.5 to keep (specific minority scholarship- white people not eligible.) My goddaughter had to photocopy classmates textbooks because she could not afford her own. The $ she made from her job at a sub shop went to pay for her housing. She is still paying off student loans. Her black friend/roommate got her scholarship check and went shopping because her engineer father had already paid for her books. I'm not defending either position- I was just offering perspective as to why.
I have several pages to catch up on when I have more than a minute but ask yourself why the resentment is there for the black scholarship student. What if the student was a poor white student herself who received scholarships your goddaughter, also poor, did not receive? I am going to bet all the money in the world that she would not be as resentful, or even resentful at all, because at least a white person got it.
No absolutely not trolling. You asked for explanations and I'm just offering up what I have observed. I'm certainly not trying to derail such an important conversation. As far as an anecdote, I could offer several but one sticks out in my mind the most. My (white) goddaughter came from absolute poverty, she was the first in her family to go to college. She was on a partial scholarship that she had to maintain a 3.75 to keep. Her black roommate (who she adores- they are still friends) had a full ride that she only had to maintain a 2.5 to keep (specific minority scholarship- white people not eligible.) My goddaughter had to photocopy classmates textbooks because she could not afford her own. The $ she made from her job at a sub shop went to pay for her housing. She is still paying off student loans. Her black friend/roommate got her scholarship check and went shopping because her engineer father had already paid for her books. I'm not defending either position- I was just offering perspective as to why.
This has nothing to do with AA. You are jealous / pissed that your goddaughter wasn't eligible for the same scholarship as a black woman and that she has to work harder for less. Simple as that. Reverse racism, right?
Is this not what the United States has done to POC since it's foundation? It was wrong then and it is wrong now. Are you saying it's right?
AGAIN for the reading comprehension challenged....the scholarship her roommate received was not available to her BECAUSE SHE IS WHITE. I'm not arguing for or against it. OP asked for explanations and I'm recounted what I've experienced.
And so what if that scholarship was available only to black students?
There are scholarships available only to athletes. There are scholarships available only to children of people who serve in the military. There are scholarships available only to children people who work at certain companies. There are scholarships available only to kids who have artistic talent. There are scholarships available only to kids of certain religions. There are scholarships available only to kids who live in certain states.
What's your point?
the point is that black people aren't qualified for college compared to white competitors, so we should resent affirmative action, which doesn't really have anything to do with scholarships. HTH.
No absolutely not trolling. You asked for explanations and I'm just offering up what I have observed. I'm certainly not trying to derail such an important conversation. As far as an anecdote, I could offer several but one sticks out in my mind the most. My (white) goddaughter came from absolute poverty, she was the first in her family to go to college. She was on a partial scholarship that she had to maintain a 3.75 to keep. Her black roommate (who she adores- they are still friends) had a full ride that she only had to maintain a 2.5 to keep (specific minority scholarship- white people not eligible.) My goddaughter had to photocopy classmates textbooks because she could not afford her own. The $ she made from her job at a sub shop went to pay for her housing. She is still paying off student loans. Her black friend/roommate got her scholarship check and went shopping because her engineer father had already paid for her books. I'm not defending either position- I was just offering perspective as to why.
Do you have any experience with scholarships because you're typing words as if it's a lie with a finite pool from one source and that's not the case, ma'am
This has nothing to do with AA. You are jealous / pissed that your goddaughter wasn't eligible for the same scholarship as a black woman and that she has to work harder for less. Simple as that. Reverse racism, right?
Is this not what the United States has done to POC since it's foundation? It was wrong then and it is wrong now. Are you saying it's right?
But none of this shit is neither here nor there. She got a different scholarship than her roommate. She had different parents than her roommate. Period.
AGAIN for the reading comprehension challenged....the scholarship her roommate received was not available to her BECAUSE SHE IS WHITE. I'm not arguing for or against it. OP asked for explanations and I'm recounted what I've experienced.
You are acting like those are the only two scholarships and paths to obtain an education in the entire universe.
Your god daughter was not eligible for one scholarship. But have you ever though about how many opportunities she had that her roommate did not? Maybe on paper her roommate could apply for these things, but in practice, she'd never actually be considered. Or she'd be accepted but the environment would be so toxic to a black woman in a way that it would not be a for a white woman such that the door may as well have been closed.
Also how do you know all this shit about what she's doing with her money and what kind of GPA she had to maintain? If your god daughter is blabbing away to you about all this, I serious doubt they are as good of friends as you seem to think they are. And there is likely a lot more to the story you don't know.
So just worry about yourself and stop worrying about this girl who is just trying to get a degree.
She was on the nest. Screen name jennifergratz. Didn't post that often, but would pop up for the affirmative action threads. I seem to recall nobody thought she was a troll. This was in the very early days of the TN, before we were doing AE days and whatnot. So it was almost certainly the real one.
Iโve met her briefly IRL (and saw her a couple weeks ago). She was not a troll. The style of argument used by the poster in this tread is inconsistent with hers.
And so what if that scholarship was available only to black students?
There are scholarships available only to athletes. There are scholarships available only to children of people who serve in the military. There are scholarships available only to children people who work at certain companies. There are scholarships available only to kids who have artistic talent. There are scholarships available only to kids of certain religions. There are scholarships available only to kids who live in certain states.
What's your point?
the point is that black people aren't qualified for college compared to white competitors, so we should resent affirmative action, which doesn't really have anything to do with scholarships. HTH.
But none of this shit is neither here nor there. She got a different scholarship than her roommate. She had different parents than her roommate. Period.
AGAIN for the reading comprehension challenged....the scholarship her roommate received was not available to her BECAUSE SHE IS WHITE. I'm not arguing for or against it. OP asked for explanations and I'm recounted what I've experienced.
Edit to Add- Black or white her roommate didn't need that scholarship $$. Can a board of people who claim to be "social justice warriors" explain why it's ok that an affluent black child got extra shopping money from the state when other deserving but less fortunate students (of all races) go without textbooks? Or a college education at all?
Because scholarship donors can create whatever criteria they want, and your goddaughter's roommate was savvy enough to know that this scholarship existed, she met the criteria for it, and she applied for it.
I work at a university and there are many, MANY scholarships that go unawarded because people can't be bothered to take the time to fill out the application. So if this young woman was able to take advantage of an opportunity, then good for her. Look at her pulling on those bootstraps!
But none of this shit is neither here nor there. She got a different scholarship than her roommate. She had different parents than her roommate. Period.
AGAIN for the reading comprehension challenged....the scholarship her roommate received was not available to her BECAUSE SHE IS WHITE. I'm not arguing for or against it. OP asked for explanations and I'm recounted what I've experienced.
Edit to Add- Black or white her roommate didn't need that scholarship $$. Can a board of people who claim to be "social justice warriors" explain why it's ok that an affluent black child got extra shopping money from the state when other deserving but less fortunate students (of all races) go without textbooks? Or a college education at all?
Because your goddaughter will still reap the benefits of being a white woman in society? That she will never have someone call the cops on her just because of the color of her skin? I feel like this is trick question.
But none of this shit is neither here nor there. She got a different scholarship than her roommate. She had different parents than her roommate. Period.
AGAIN for the reading comprehension challenged....the scholarship her roommate received was not available to her BECAUSE SHE IS WHITE. I'm not arguing for or against it. OP asked for explanations and I'm recounted what I've experienced.
Edit to Add- Black or white her roommate didn't need that scholarship $$. Can a board of people who claim to be "social justice warriors" explain why it's ok that an affluent black child got extra shopping money from the state when other deserving but less fortunate students (of all races) go without textbooks? Or a college education at all?
You're not even trying here. Nothing you said in your post indicates that your relative was actually more qualified than her roommate. Just that you perceive her as having to work harder according to one specific metric (familial finances and ability to afford school). Which by the way is not the only barrier there is to overcome in life. Do you seriously believe that scholarship funds should only be awarded based on financial need? That there are no other acceptable criteria? Do you police how white students spend their scholarship money too? Or just "undeserving" students of color? This is a highly racist mindset.
Post by imobviouslystaying on May 15, 2018 13:05:59 GMT -5
There are plenty of scholarships and scholarship opportunities for low income white girls. And there is far more outreach, focus, and assistance geared towards getting low income white kids into college.
There is not enough info here to paint a clear picture but I guarantee you thr black girl's scholarship was not at the expense of your granddaughter.
Nobody is entitled to any scholarship, period. The roommate was qualified for it and won it. Your niece was not qualified for it.
Goddaughter and you are correct that she was not qualified for it...because of the color of her skin. That's not ok.ย
Listen lady. Your ignorance regarding this matter is overwhelming. Scholarship are not bound by the same regulations that college admissions are bound. They are privately funded and those funding get to set parameters regarding recipients. Religion, race, major, etc. What you are talking about is entitlement, and your god daughter was not entitled to this scholarship, same as the football scholarships Iโm sure she did not qualify for.
But none of this shit is neither here nor there. She got a different scholarship than her roommate. She had different parents than her roommate. Period.
AGAIN for the reading comprehension challenged....the scholarship her roommate received was not available to her BECAUSE SHE IS WHITE. I'm not arguing for or against it. OP asked for explanations and I'm recounted what I've experienced.
Edit to Add- Black or white her roommate didn't need that scholarship $$. Can a board of people who claim to be "social justice warriors" explain why it's ok that an affluent black child got extra shopping money from the state when other deserving but less fortunate students (of all races) go without textbooks? Or a college education at all?
Shall we all list the personal anecdotes of affluent white kids getting money that they don't need? JFC.