But none of this shit is neither here nor there. She got a different scholarship than her roommate. She had different parents than her roommate. Period.
AGAIN for the reading comprehension challenged....the scholarship her roommate received was not available to her BECAUSE SHE IS WHITE. I'm not arguing for or against it. OP asked for explanations and I'm recounted what I've experienced.
Edit to Add- Black or white her roommate didn't need that scholarship $$. Can a board of people who claim to be "social justice warriors" explain why it's ok that an affluent black child got extra shopping money from the state when other deserving but less fortunate students (of all races) go without textbooks? Or a college education at all?
Surely you understand that money is fungible, right? Would it make you feel better if she bought books with the scholarship money and her dad gave her money to shop, instead? Or no new clothes for black people who get scholarships?
AGAIN for the reading comprehension challenged....the scholarship her roommate received was not available to her BECAUSE SHE IS WHITE. I'm not arguing for or against it. OP asked for explanations and I'm recounted what I've experienced.
Edit to Add- Black or white her roommate didn't need that scholarship $$. Can a board of people who claim to be "social justice warriors" explain why it's ok that an affluent black child got extra shopping money from the state when other deserving but less fortunate students (of all races) go without textbooks? Or a college education at all?
You're not even trying here. Nothing you said in your post indicates that your relative was actually more qualified than her roommate. Just that you perceive her as having to work harder according to one specific metric (familial finances and ability to afford school). Which by the way is not the only barrier there is to overcome in life. Do you seriously believe that scholarship funds should only be awarded based on financial need? That there are no other acceptable criteria? Do you police how white students spend their scholarship money too? Or just "undeserving" students of color? This is a highly racist mindset.
WTF? You "quoted" but where did I ever day that? You are a typical liberal- overconfident, uninformed, make up your own narrative, complete idiot. OP started this thread to gain some actual insight...but anything that doesn't fit your agenda of "blow smoke up their ass so they like me and I can feel good about myself" is considered trolling. I can't argue with ignorant and stupid. Good luck ladies.
This is one step away from calling that poor girl a welfare queen. Living high on gubmint money she doesn't need, that poor white folk who are struggling could surely use.
Full circle to the op, this is why black folks can't live. White folks constantly think that they *KNOW* everyone's situation, and it just isn't fair to them that they have to work so hard for so little.
Post by turnipthebeet on May 15, 2018 13:12:46 GMT -5
We are slipping outside of my area of expertise on this matter, but when you say that she received money from the state - are you sure? Was it a grant? Or general financial aid? I'm not familiar with state-sponsored scholarships, as such.
Scholarships and admissions are not the same thing. They have nothing to do with affirmative action. I could probably fund a specific scholarship that excluded 99.9% of applicants. That’s not the same as admissions and quotas or whatever else you were arguing about.
You're not even trying here. Nothing you said in your post indicates that your relative was actually more qualified than her roommate. Just that you perceive her as having to work harder according to one specific metric (familial finances and ability to afford school). Which by the way is not the only barrier there is to overcome in life. Do you seriously believe that scholarship funds should only be awarded based on financial need? That there are no other acceptable criteria? Do you police how white students spend their scholarship money too? Or just "undeserving" students of color? This is a highly racist mindset.
WTF? You "quoted" but where did I ever day that? You are a typical liberal- overconfident, uninformed, make up your own narrative, complete idiot. OP started this thread to gain some actual insight...but anything that doesn't fit your agenda of "blow smoke up their ass so they like me and I can feel good about myself" is considered trolling. I can't argue with ignorant and stupid. Good luck ladies.
You said the black woman's father was an engineer and that instead of her using the scholarship money for her schooling she used it to go shopping, therefore implying that she didn't deserve the scholarship. And is this where we can say typical Republican? That instead of listening and actually thinking about what is being said you start throwing around insults and run out the door? I agree that there are some ladies here who are blowing smoke but not everyone.
You're not even trying here. Nothing you said in your post indicates that your relative was actually more qualified than her roommate. Just that you perceive her as having to work harder according to one specific metric (familial finances and ability to afford school). Which by the way is not the only barrier there is to overcome in life. Do you seriously believe that scholarship funds should only be awarded based on financial need? That there are no other acceptable criteria? Do you police how white students spend their scholarship money too? Or just "undeserving" students of color? This is a highly racist mindset.
WTF? You "quoted" but where did I ever day that? You are a typical liberal- overconfident, uninformed, make up your own narrative, complete idiot. OP started this thread to gain some actual insight...but anything that doesn't fit your agenda of "blow smoke up their ass so they like me and I can feel good about myself" is considered trolling. I can't argue with ignorant and stupid. Good luck ladies.
But, the reality is because of the quotas imposed by affirmative action, many white kids with grades and test scores above and beyond are denied admission in favor of black kids with lower scores and poorer grades.
Post by W.T.Faulkner on May 15, 2018 13:18:54 GMT -5
This is my area of expertise, and I can confirm that feva2030 doesn't have enough information to appropriately troll on this subject. Not worth arguing.
feva2030, in the interest of helping you see things from a different perspective...
I really think you don't have a full understanding of the way scholarships work.
There are some university scholarships, which have no race-based criteria.
Then there are private scholarships, which are created by a private donor and that donor can set whatever criteria s/he wants.
Your goddaughter's roommate, without a doubt, had a private scholarship. It might have been "managed" by the university, meaning that the university dispersed it to her, but it was still money from a private citizen or a private company.
Now, you can argue that this private citizen shouldn't have used race as a criterion. Fine. But this situation is not at all related to affirmative action. Please don't conflate the two, and please stop using this example as "evidence" of your misguided opinion and understanding of affirmative action. It's dangerous.
Nobody is entitled to any scholarship, period. The roommate was qualified for it and won it. Your niece was not qualified for it.
Goddaughter and you are correct that she was not qualified for it...because of the color of her skin. That's not ok.
The logic here is so faulty. The roommate’s scholarship sounds like a better scholarship. If that scholarship was open to the general popolation your god daughter would not have been awarded it, because there are more than two scholarships out there and your god daughter didn’t qualify for a better scholarship against the general population. Scholarships aren’t charity- they are merit based awards- and your god daughter didn’t have the merits. Period.
feva2030 , in the interest of helping you see things from a different perspective...
I really think you don't have a full understanding of the way scholarships work.
There are some university scholarships, which have no race-based criteria.
Then there are private scholarships, which are created by a private donor and that donor can set whatever criteria s/he wants.
Your goddaughter's roommate, without a doubt, had a private scholarship. It might have been "managed" by the university, meaning that the university dispersed it to her, but it was still money from a private citizen or a private company.
Now, you can argue that this private citizen shouldn't have used race as a criterion. Fine. But this situation is not at all related to affirmative action. Please don't conflate the two, and please stop using this example as "evidence" of your misguided opinion and understanding of affirmative action. It's dangerous.
OMG!!! For the umpteenth time I'm not arguing anything. OP asked for reasons why and I was offering a perspective. You people are exhausting.
Waiting for an "All Lives Matter" reference from feva in 5...4...3...
ETA in deference to the OP: it's a daily endeavor, or should be, to not be dumb/fearful/racist white folks. I don't feel it's out of line to expect that from us because how many centuries have we escaped - by virtue of our skin color - all of the effects of racism? It's time to work. Now. What I as a white woman hope would happen is that every white woman would not only look at our pasts and how our views of other races were formed, but then bring it back to present and say, "OK. What do I change today? What do I change in me?"
And to ESF's point, that doesn't have to mean you run for office or leave your job to start a statewide outreach effort to insert yourself into other communities. It comes down to micro decisions and experiences you are about to face when you go to Starbucks for your afternoon latte.
Yeah, it's called "being a goddamn decent human being". It doesn't have anything to do with your political affiliation.
I'm talking specifically about your delusions, manipulations, and lies. Trust...you are not a decent human being.
I'm not the one calling my goddaughter's roommate a freeloader just because her situation is better than your goddaughter's. That's some next level bullshit on a humanity level, even without overt racism. NONE of this has anything to do with political affiliation. It has everything to do with jealousy and the feeling (wrongly) that some sort of justice wasn't served.
AGAIN for the reading comprehension challenged....the scholarship her roommate received was not available to her BECAUSE SHE IS WHITE. I'm not arguing for or against it. OP asked for explanations and I'm recounted what I've experienced.
Edit to Add- Black or white her roommate didn't need that scholarship $$. Can a board of people who claim to be "social justice warriors" explain why it's ok that an affluent black child got extra shopping money from the state when other deserving but less fortunate students (of all races) go without textbooks? Or a college education at all?
Shall we all list the personal anecdotes of affluent white kids getting money that they don't need? JFC.
I really need her to go down this road please so we can discuss white kids who kill and get burger king while black kids who play in a park get shot as soon as the cops roll up.
Or how about Affluenza kid?
Or if we don't want to go all the way in, let's talk Kennedy kids and Trump and company and every other mediocre white kid at the top of the food chain compared to black kids who are usually only actively courted by universities if they've got a good arm.
feva2030 , in the interest of helping you see things from a different perspective...
I really think you don't have a full understanding of the way scholarships work.
There are some university scholarships, which have no race-based criteria.
Then there are private scholarships, which are created by a private donor and that donor can set whatever criteria s/he wants.
Your goddaughter's roommate, without a doubt, had a private scholarship. It might have been "managed" by the university, meaning that the university dispersed it to her, but it was still money from a private citizen or a private company.
Now, you can argue that this private citizen shouldn't have used race as a criterion. Fine. But this situation is not at all related to affirmative action. Please don't conflate the two, and please stop using this example as "evidence" of your misguided opinion and understanding of affirmative action. It's dangerous.
OMG!!! For the umpteenth time I'm not arguing anything. OP asked for reasons why and I was offering a perspective. You people are exhausting.
But what perspective are you offering this anecdote in support of? Your original point was that you could understand why white people are against AA. This anecdote about your goddaughter doesn’t have a damn thing to do with AA. You’re just throwing anecdotes out there for no reason other than to wail that life is so unfair to your poor white goddaughter.
So, are we trolling or are you going to actually add a lil something to the convo here? As the creator of this thread, I did not intend for it to be one of open hostility or trolling. It's one for dialogue.
Now, either you can have some stats or you can say "this is anecdotal because it happened to me."
But, I'm not interested in having this thread derailed with Foolishness.
No absolutely not trolling. You asked for explanations and I'm just offering up what I have observed. I'm certainly not trying to derail such an important conversation. As far as an anecdote, I could offer several but one sticks out in my mind the most. My (white) goddaughter came from absolute poverty, she was the first in her family to go to college. She was on a partial scholarship that she had to maintain a 3.75 to keep. Her black roommate (who she adores- they are still friends) had a full ride that she only had to maintain a 2.5 to keep (specific minority scholarship- white people not eligible.) My goddaughter had to photocopy classmates textbooks because she could not afford her own. The $ she made from her job at a sub shop went to pay for her housing. She is still paying off student loans. Her black friend/roommate got her scholarship check and went shopping because her engineer father had already paid for her books. I'm not defending either position- I was just offering perspective as to why.
Now, I'm assuming someone kicked over a rock and busted out this troll, but really? I'm rolling my eyes here. How DARE a POC have the financial means to attend college AND STILL earn a scholarship? Gawd, she should know her place.
"She is still paying off student loans" and "just got her scholarship check" don't match. Is she still in school or not?
And if she's so broke she's photocopying textbooks, AND she's keeping a 3.75 GPA AND her family is that broke, she's probably eligible for Pell Grants as well as other scholarships and aid that she could march herself into the Financial Aid office and look for that *gasp* even white folks get. Because schools usually like to keep someone with that GPA.
Or, you know, a fairy Godmother could gift her one of these textbooks.
feva2030 , in the interest of helping you see things from a different perspective...
I really think you don't have a full understanding of the way scholarships work.
There are some university scholarships, which have no race-based criteria.
Then there are private scholarships, which are created by a private donor and that donor can set whatever criteria s/he wants.
Your goddaughter's roommate, without a doubt, had a private scholarship. It might have been "managed" by the university, meaning that the university dispersed it to her, but it was still money from a private citizen or a private company.
Now, you can argue that this private citizen shouldn't have used race as a criterion. Fine. But this situation is not at all related to affirmative action. Please don't conflate the two, and please stop using this example as "evidence" of your misguided opinion and understanding of affirmative action. It's dangerous.
OMG!!! For the umpteenth time I'm not arguing anything. OP asked for reasons why and I was offering a perspective. You people are exhausting.
LOL, you don't have to actually say, "I'm arguing that..." to BE arguing. It's CLEAR that you don't think your goddaughter's roommate should have gotten the scholarship.
Also, way to totally ignore the bulk of my post, which I wrote to HELP you better understand the scholarship process so that you don't sound like an idiot.
Goddaughter and you are correct that she was not qualified for it...because of the color of her skin. That's not ok.
The logic here is so faulty. The roommate’s scholarship sounds like a better scholarship. If that scholarship was open to the general popolation your god daughter would not have been awarded it, because there are more than two scholarships out there and your god daughter didn’t qualify for a better scholarship against the general population. Scholarships aren’t charity- they are merit based awards- and your god daughter didn’t have the merits. Period.
To the bolded- they should be but they aren't. Period. Now you have pissed me off. My faulty logic? WTF do you know about her merits? Not that it's any of your head up you own ass business but my goddaughter graduated at the top of her class and is the top 1% of scoring on the ACT and SAT. Would you like to tell me more about how she didn't have the merits. Bitch please.
Edit to add- she went to shit schools from elementary- high school b/c POOR (and white).
WTF? You "quoted" but where did I ever day that? You are a typical liberal- overconfident, uninformed, make up your own narrative, complete idiot. OP started this thread to gain some actual insight...but anything that doesn't fit your agenda of "blow smoke up their ass so they like me and I can feel good about myself" is considered trolling. I can't argue with ignorant and stupid. Good luck ladies.
You said the black woman's father was an engineer and that instead of her using the scholarship money for her schooling she used it to go shopping, therefore implying that she didn't deserve the scholarship. And is this where we can say typical Republican? That instead of listening and actually thinking about what is being said you start throwing around insults and run out the door? I agree that there are some ladies here who are blowing smoke but not everyone.
I don't understand instead. School was paid for, right? Like she wasn't there for free.
Kind of like how some men think their child support needs to go directly from their hands to I don't know where the fuck ever but clearly baby mama has got to be using it for her nails, right? Despite the fact that the electric is still on?
The logic here is so faulty. The roommate’s scholarship sounds like a better scholarship. If that scholarship was open to the general popolation your god daughter would not have been awarded it, because there are more than two scholarships out there and your god daughter didn’t qualify for a better scholarship against the general population. Scholarships aren’t charity- they are merit based awards- and your god daughter didn’t have the merits. Period.
To the bolded- they should be but they aren't. Period. Now you have pissed me off. My faulty logic? WTF do you know about her merits? Not that it's any of your head up you own ass business but my goddaughter graduated at the top of her class and is the top 1% of scoring on the ACT and SAT. Would you like to tell me more about how she didn't have the merits. Bitch please.
If she really had these qualifications and was so concerned about money, she should have picked a school that offered her a full ride and provided a better aid package. How’s that for bootstraps?
The logic here is so faulty. The roommate’s scholarship sounds like a better scholarship. If that scholarship was open to the general popolation your god daughter would not have been awarded it, because there are more than two scholarships out there and your god daughter didn’t qualify for a better scholarship against the general population. Scholarships aren’t charity- they are merit based awards- and your god daughter didn’t have the merits. Period.
To the bolded- they should be but they aren't. Period. Now you have pissed me off. My faulty logic? WTF do you know about her merits? Not that it's any of your head up you own ass business but my goddaughter graduated at the top of her class and is the top 1% of scoring on the ACT and SAT. Would you like to tell me more about how she didn't have the merits. Bitch please.
and what the fuck do you know about her roommate's merits, but here you are flapping your mouth about that. The white girl's merits are off-limits, but the black girl's are not?