Click through for more dates/events in August and September that relate to Ukraine and Russia. I was reminded there’s that spy we pulled out of Russia a couple weeks ago.
House Democrats are investigating whether Trump and his attorney Rudolph Giuliani sought to manipulate the Ukrainian government into helping Trump’s reelection campaign
413 represent! haha. Neal has been in office almost my entire life. I keep trying to figure out if Kennedy is somehow trying to actually make a move for Warren's seat (like she gets the nomination and steps down so we're only stuck with an interim R, and he runs), but nothing but white male hubris makes any sense.
Unrelated MA politics (sorry everyone!) but i need to know who the 21% of people from Fall River are who voted for Correia. (For those not from here, Correia is the current Mayor, but is under indictment. He came in second in the primary yesterday.)
Hahaha so funny! I agree it's total white male hubris.
Also Fall River is super local to me now and mannnnnn that election was totally whack. I am so confused about how that even happened given that it feels like Correia is in the news every day...
My dad is from Fall River. Somehow, having been to his hometown, this doesn't surprise me at all.
"Hello babies. Welcome to Earth. It's hot in the summer and cold in the winter. It's round and wet and crowded. On the outside, babies, you've got a hundred years here. There's only one rule that I know of, babies-"God damn it, you've got to be kind.”
Ugh it’s about Ukraine? So it has to do with them trying to get shit on Biden from Biden’s son being on the board of some gas company.
Great. This is going nowhere. It’s going to be another Clinton Foundation thing, that has just enough salaciousness that it gives them cover for doing anything illegal.
Sounds about right. This is only a big deal because 45 was outed by others. If he had done this in public with the Ukrainian President next to him like he did with Russians in Oval Office, it would be a 1 day story and we move on. It’s all fucking awful. I saw on twitter Giuliani pretty much admitted to Cuomo about pressuring Ukraine.
Post by curbsideprophet on Sept 19, 2019 21:02:25 GMT -5
So given what I have heard so far....this seems like a big deal. My understanding is the current POTUS is trying to force a foreign nation to help interfere in a US election.
So given what I have heard so far....this seems like a big deal. My understanding is the current POTUS is trying to force a foreign nation to help interfere in a US election.
I don’t know what to think about anything anymore. But if this is actually the thing that finally takes down trump, I’m curious about what it means if pence knew about it.
So given what I have heard so far....this seems like a big deal. My understanding is the current POTUS is trying to force a foreign nation to help interfere in a US election.
I don’t know what to think about anything anymore. But if this is actually the thing that finally takes down trump, I’m curious about what it means if pence knew about it.
Not only knew about it, but actively participated in the "discussions".
I don’t know what to think about anything anymore. But if this is actually the thing that finally takes down trump, I’m curious about what it means if pence knew about it.
Not only knew about it, but actively participated in the "discussions".
I don’t remember the exact phrasing but someone on twitter said paging President Pelosi in response to Pence and his recent meeting. Then I started dreaming we remove #45 and Pence at the same time. I realize this is highly unlikely but it is a nice thought.
Post by MrsAxilla on Sept 19, 2019 21:54:13 GMT -5
The headline is “Watch Giuliani Meltdown on CNN”, but during the meltdown, he strongly infers that IF trump offered to release $250 million in military aid to Ukraine in exchange for them “routing out corruption” in the form of dirt on Biden’s son, that’s perfectly fine!
Rudy did this during Mueller Press findings - do an interview or tweet and just admit it then it ends the mystery. I’m afraid to ask if what 45 did is really illegal or just “not the norm”.
Post by Velar Fricative on Sept 20, 2019 5:14:01 GMT -5
And don’t forget that this all pleases Putin very much. No aid to Ukraine opens Ukraine up to further takeover. And even if Ukraine does offer up shit about Biden, Putin still gets his way by influencing our POTUS election again in such a way that the D frontrunner is embroiled in scandal and opens the door for another candidate whom he may feel can be more easily defeated by Trump. He builds a greater assurance that Trump is re-elected and his puppet remains in the WH. But eventually, he’ll still take over Ukraine anyway.
Then there truly will have to be a civil war or a major people's uprising and that will not go well.
Based on what I see here, people will just shrug their shoulders and go buy a latte. Most people don't seem to care all that much.
Really though, I don't think it will come to that. Between voter suppression and foreign interference, he'll make sure that he wins again.
But that’s exactly what we mean. If he wins again, it won’t be legitimate again. Who is going to stop it from happening or from him deciding he should get a third and fourth term?
I’m legitimately scared that he will win, but I’m also scared he won’t and he will make a power grab anyway.
At first, I thought Kennedy was going to get the infrastructure in place to take a run at Warren's seat, but the primary for Markey's seat will be before that, since the general election where Elizabeth Warren may or may not be elected president would also be the general election for Markey's senate seat. So I dunno what he's doing. I've never lived in MA, but my husband grew up there, and Markey seems to have a great reputation. Frankly, I wouldn't be in a hurry to replace him with just a younger white dude.
So given what I have heard so far....this seems like a big deal. My understanding is the current POTUS is trying to force a foreign nation to help interfere in a US election.
I don’t know what to think about anything anymore. But if this is actually the thing that finally takes down trump, I’m curious about what it means if pence knew about it.
Well, George H.W. Bush avoided being tainted by Iran Contra by claiming he was in the bathroom or something when everything was discussed.
Based on what I see here, people will just shrug their shoulders and go buy a latte. Most people don't seem to care all that much.
Really though, I don't think it will come to that. Between voter suppression and foreign interference, he'll make sure that he wins again.
But that’s exactly what we mean. If he wins again, it won’t be legitimate again. Who is going to stop it from happening or from him deciding he should get a third and fourth term?
I’m legitimately scared that he will win, but I’m also scared he won’t and he will make a power grab anyway.
I misunderstood. Assuming he wins, but it isn't legitimate, absolutely nothing will happen. He will be our president again. The only way that I could possibly see anything happening is if the Dems have both the house and senate and the election is very clearly not legitimate. Otherwise, we'll be right where we are now.
“Clearly,” said Geraschenko, “Trump is now looking for kompromat to discredit his opponent Biden, to take revenge for his friend Paul Manafort, who is serving seven years in prison.” Among the counts on which Manafort was convicted: tax evasion. “We do not investigate Biden in Ukraine, since we have not received a single official request to do so,” said Geraschenko.
Guys. He may lose. He may leave. He will be an ass about it until the bitter end but his kids are young and his grandkids are plenty and they are planning their dynasty.
Then there truly will have to be a civil war or a major people's uprising and that will not go well.
Based on what I see here, people will just shrug their shoulders and go buy a latte. Most people don't seem to care all that much.
Really though, I don't think it will come to that. Between voter suppression and foreign interference, he'll make sure that he wins again.
I do agree with this to an extent, but also think that there are SO many people who truly do care and have no idea how to affect change, or feel like even if they go march or whatever that it isn't going to make any difference.
Guys. He may lose. He may leave. He will be an ass about it until the bitter end but his kids are young and his grandkids are plenty and they are planning their dynasty.
So what happens if he loses 2020 and leaves? Do you think he/his family will maintain enough momentum for him or, say, Ivanka to run in 2024? I don’t see them taking a 4-year break and losing their grip on power.
Guys. He may lose. He may leave. He will be an ass about it until the bitter end but his kids are young and his grandkids are plenty and they are planning their dynasty.
So what happens if he loses 2020 and leaves? Do you think he/his family will maintain enough momentum for him or, say, Ivanka to run in 2024? I don’t see them taking a 4-year break and losing their grip on power.
I think that a big reason for his "success" is that he has that cult personality that pulls people in. I'm not sure that anyone else in the family has it. From what I have seen of Ivanka, she doesn't at all. As long as we can get rid of him, I don't worry so much about a Trump dynasty.