Is there any proof yet that if you get it, you are then immune from it?
I don’t think they know yet. Everything I’ve seen is hypothesized based on other coronaviruses, which typically give you a couple months of immunity. Not forever immunity. Like colds
We went to the local nature reserve to get out of the house in a safe way, but it appears everyone else had the exact same idea and it was mobbed. Social distancing fail.
Am I over reacting for my friend's mom? I very could well be; it's one of my skills.
FWIW, one of the oncologists I follow on twitter posted that some of the common MBC drugs do not make one immunocompromised. I can’t find the tweet right now, but, if my second hand, unsourced twitter knowledge can calm your proxy worries a touch.
edit - clarified the wording to be slightly more accurate.
I'm pretty sure she did chemo but I could be wrong. Oh, and their trip in July? It's a cruise! gah. But all that was planned well before COVID was known.
Devin Nunes: “If you’re healthy, you and your family, it’s a great time to go out and go to a local restaurant, likely you can get in easy. Let’s not hurt the working people in this country...go to your local pub”
So regarding that case. The article is from Feb 27 when it was first announced. Further information suggested that the person was not reinfected. Source: my medical director.
Post by RoxMonster on Mar 15, 2020 12:08:21 GMT -5
Unfortunately people around me are not social distancing like they should. Bars still holding parties this weekend that are packed. One woman posting about hosting a birthday party yesterday and they will start distancing tomorrow. I am getting so pissed off.
Restaurant group in my area (cut off on top to avoid their full name) complaining about being criticized for staying open. They were PACKED for brunch (so people say) yesterday.
As I said before, it sucks for the workers, but saving thousands of lives by preventing an overload of medical facilities is the most important thing.
My town is not social distancing either. They have still had concerts this weekend. Nothing has been cancelled. Still planning on going through with rodeos and the drags. We had a confirmed case last week. The local news isn’t even talking about the outbreak. I honestly don’t even know if the hospitals or anything are testing for it. We are in California, so I really don’t understand what the hell they are doing. I’m expecting us to be a hot zone soon.
No, no. My coworker’s mom is 68 but in good health. She’s just trying to not expose her kids (30s-40s) and grandkids. But she’s totally asymptomatic.
I would DEFINITELY recommend isolating someone who is a cancer patient, and also anyone over 65 most likely.
Okay. I just woke up so I was like "Wait... Am I off base here?" I honestly can't believe that they are all willing to go over to her parents house. She's been in active treatment. I saw her a few months ago and she had radioactive beads in her liver because it had metastasized.
If she's terminal and they know it's just a matter of months, I can see not distancing. For her mom, time with family may be the main reason she's going through all that treatment. Going through all that pain to extend your life just to be alone might not be her choice. It's a variation on people choosing to forego treatment for a shorter time, but better quality of life. Here she's risking dying of a different disease to see the people she loves.
Post by sillygoosegirl on Mar 15, 2020 12:38:43 GMT -5
My husband's community choir (which is like 80 people, many of them quite old), has canceled it's spring season. Their rehearsal space within a school that is shut down, and unless the ban on large gatherings is lifted, they wouldn't be able to have an audience at their concert anyway. Plus, 80 people getting together and standing in a bunched up group singing 2x/week is all sorts of bad right now anyway.
A bunch of them want to get together and have a big "wake" for the season at a local bar or restaurant...
One reason that I think we do need to be trying to test more people is that it might scare people into staying home. Instead, we falsely believe there are no cases around us when there are probably tons.
Is there any proof yet that if you get it, you are then immune from it?
I think we are probably a very long way off from knowing this.
Also -- and please do not read what I'm about to say if you are a very anxious person but--
I also am thinking about how some viruses cause other things later in life. Like, if you get chicken pox, you'll likely get shingles decades later. I think that's a rare feature of viruses, but do we know anything about this one yet to suggest whether that's a concern, or is that just one of those "wait and see" kind of twists we discover in a decade?
Is there any proof yet that if you get it, you are then immune from it?
I think we are probably a very long way off from knowing this.
Also -- and please do not read what I'm about to say if you are a very anxious person but--
I also am thinking about how some viruses cause other things later in life. Like, if you get chicken pox, you'll likely get shingles decades later. I think that's a rare feature of viruses, but do we know anything about this one yet to suggest whether that's a concern, or is that just one of those "wait and see" kind of twists we discover in a decade?
I believe they are concerned now about permanent respiratory impacts in people who have had it based on some news articles I saw earlier. :/
I think we are probably a very long way off from knowing this.
Also -- and please do not read what I'm about to say if you are a very anxious person but--
I also am thinking about how some viruses cause other things later in life. Like, if you get chicken pox, you'll likely get shingles decades later. I think that's a rare feature of viruses, but do we know anything about this one yet to suggest whether that's a concern, or is that just one of those "wait and see" kind of twists we discover in a decade?
I believe they are concerned now about permanent respiratory impacts in people who have had it based on some news articles I saw earlier. :/
Yeah, I posted that one in another news thread. That is a little different than what I'm wondering here. Like, that's an immediate complication of getting it, maybe in the way that measles would alter immune systems if you got it or polio causing some disabilities.
I'm wondering if this is a virus that stays in the body and lies dormant, only to show up as something else years later. I don't know how common of a thing that is with viruses. I only know the chicken pox/shingles example.
I believe they are concerned now about permanent respiratory impacts in people who have had it based on some news articles I saw earlier. :/
Yeah, I posted that one in another news thread. That is a little different than what I'm wondering here. Like, that's an immediate complication of getting it, maybe in the way that measles would alter immune systems if you got it or polio causing some disabilities.
I'm wondering if this is a virus that stays in the body and lies dormant, only to show up as something else years later. I don't know how common of a thing that is with viruses. I only know the chicken pox/shingles example.
You mean kinda like Measles "resets" your immune system and you're likely to catch again something you've had before? Like Lyme can lead to neuero effects years down the line? I don't know the answer, but I think it's a valid concern.
ETA: Totally skimmed that you mentioned measles. Shame on me. But yeah, nobody knows yet :/
ETA Second time: I am reminded of how people who have recovered have been testing positive again. At this point, it's not clear if they've been re-infected or if the virus lies dormant for awhile and/or its a false negative.
I ran out to pick up something and it’s eerie seeing most churches empty (except the Catholics because of course). Our area is pretty conservative (large military presence) but I think that’s contributing to the “follow orders” reaction. Haven’t seen too many complaints yet. You can definitely tell who the Fox News watchers are though since they’re all scrambling around this weekend. Or, frankly, doing nothing at all.
FWIW, I'm an atheist/cultural Catholic but all Catholics have been dispensed from attending Mass in my archdiocese and most are complying from what I can tell. I think this is particularly important for Catholics because the most faithful churchgoers do tend to be the oldest, at least in every region I've ever lived in. There are also efforts to protect elder priests/sisters who often live communally and would be at great risk. Mass is streaming online. The churches are open because they probably always technically will be but people are being urged to stay away from services. My mom hasn't been near church in weeks.
We aren't leaving the house but from what I can tell, St. Louisans are taking this very seriously. The highways were vacant even Thursday and Friday (when I had to leave to go to work - I'll be working remotely from now on). I did go to the grocery store yesterday but people were staying well at a distance of each other and I haven't seen anyone drive through my subdivison today except a FedEx truck. Every one of my Facebook friends is reporting staying home.
Yeah, I posted that one in another news thread. That is a little different than what I'm wondering here. Like, that's an immediate complication of getting it, maybe in the way that measles would alter immune systems if you got it or polio causing some disabilities.
I'm wondering if this is a virus that stays in the body and lies dormant, only to show up as something else years later. I don't know how common of a thing that is with viruses. I only know the chicken pox/shingles example.
You mean kinda like Measles "resets" your immune system and you're likely to catch again something you've had before? Like Lyme can lead to neuero effects years down the line? I don't know the answer, but I think it's a valid concern.
ETA: Totally skimmed that you mentioned measles. Shame on me. But yeah, nobody knows yet :/
Yes, but we are talking about two different things. Or more accurately, three different things:
(1) long term complications that take effect immediately and you know they are there. Like, measles causing blindness in some people. They get the measles, and become blind immediately while ill. We knew when measles happened that this was a complication. And now, in the news thread, I posted a link to an article that shows some evidence of permanent respiratory damage -- i.e. a long term complication that takes effect immediately and we know it's there.
(2) long term complications that take effect immediately but we won't figure out that's what's going on until later. This would be like measles resetting the immune system. It's an immediate thing that happens after you get measles, and you suffer the consequences of it immediately after having measles, but while we know this now, it took decades of research to understand this. So this is an area we don't know yet about this virus.
(3) long term complications that don't actually show up until a long time later. Like you get it, bounce back, and in five years, you suddenly have some weird health problem that is unexplainable. This would be like the chicken pox virus causing shingles decades later.
My question in this thread was about scenario (3) only. How common of a feature is this for viruses, and are there things researchers can use now to figure out whether this virus might do that?
Yeah, I posted that one in another news thread. That is a little different than what I'm wondering here. Like, that's an immediate complication of getting it, maybe in the way that measles would alter immune systems if you got it or polio causing some disabilities.
I'm wondering if this is a virus that stays in the body and lies dormant, only to show up as something else years later. I don't know how common of a thing that is with viruses. I only know the chicken pox/shingles example.
I’m not a doctor or scientist, but I don’t think so. While it’s novel, it’s still a Coronavirus. I do think long term diminished lung function is gonna be a big issue, though.
This is a really helpful point. I know the medical community is still the experts, but this is at least enough of a common sense explanation that it's calming me a little.
My mother doesn't really spout off crazy ideas about science and worked in health care, but there's one exception: she has for years talked about how behind science is on the study of viruses, and truly believes that viruses are what cause literally everything. She's convinced, for example, that MS is really caused by a childhood virus. I don't believe her random theories, but it has made me a little more paranoid!
My teammate’s 20 year old kid came home from Paris yesterday. (He should never have gone, but he chose to ignore his mother’s advice and go anyway about a week and a half ago with his dad.) He has his temperature taken and the CDC gave him an info card about quarantine. That’s it.
I don’t know what should be being done, but when I said that Trump just tweeted that we’re doing precise medical screenings, no, that’s not happening.
mbcdefg that is actual footage of me with anyone who tries to get near me at any time, much less now.
ESF Your mom might not be totally crazy. I'm not a doctor but did work for a national MS non-profit writing its literature and I think the theory behind it and several other autoimmune conditions is that there is both a genetic disposition and something that "trips" that disposition into active disease. I have OCD and there is a similar theory about strep, actually. (PANDAS but also in general. Anecdotally, I had strep constantly as a child and my OCD was childhood-onset.)
Because this particular virus seems to turn people's immune system against them, I'm particularly interested in what the outcome/outlook is for people with autoimmune conditions already. They aren't listed in the pre-existing conditions yet that I've seen.
I’m not a doctor or scientist, but I don’t think so. While it’s novel, it’s still a Coronavirus. I do think long term diminished lung function is gonna be a big issue, though.
This is a really helpful point. I know the medical community is still the experts, but this is at least enough of a common sense explanation that it's calming me a little.
My mother doesn't really spout off crazy ideas about science and worked in health care, but there's one exception: she has for years talked about how behind science is on the study of viruses, and truly believes that viruses are what cause literally everything. She's convinced, for example, that MS is really caused by a childhood virus. I don't believe her random theories, but it has made me a little more paranoid!
To your last point, there is also some speculation that ALS is caused by a virus that may be laying dormant and trigger it (there's lot of other unrelated theories too). I'm not concerned about our family in the short term, but the unknown long term effects definitely cause me a bit of anxiety.
circa1978 and hamster -- wow, so interesting. Thanks for the info! I'm filing it away -- a random internet bender reading about this stuff is a great social distancing activity for when I get really stir crazy. And Hamster -- I'm sorry about the extra anxiety this disaster is causing you and wish you the best in dealing.
kballerina- I'm seeing a lot of people sharing a post by a doctor in Denver who is saying that Colorado hasn't experienced any "algorithmic" growth. I think they mean "exponential" growth since I can't find what "algorithmic" growth is. It makes me not believe that the person who everyone believes is an expert.
Okay. I just woke up so I was like "Wait... Am I off base here?" I honestly can't believe that they are all willing to go over to her parents house. She's been in active treatment. I saw her a few months ago and she had radioactive beads in her liver because it had metastasized.
If she's terminal and they know it's just a matter of months, I can see not distancing. For her mom, time with family may be the main reason she's going through all that treatment. Going through all that pain to extend your life just to be alone might not be her choice. It's a variation on people choosing to forego treatment for a shorter time, but better quality of life. Here she's risking dying of a different disease to see the people she loves.
Last time I asked her she said her mom was doing well, treatments were going "great," she was feeling good, etc.. It's in her liver though so... It's her body so her choice but this is where having plenty of tests so that her family could get tested and *know* would be good.