But I will be damned to hell before I contribute to Trump being re-elected. Ride or die blue or 3rd party (in texas my vote won’t influence electoral votes so I might make a show for 3rd party to keep that momentum option going, depending on who is nominated). 90 percent sure I am voting blue for potus.
I know penguingrrl already responded but it is worth quoting again. Texas leans red, yes, but Beto showed that it can be in play. I don't want to tell people how to vote but...I would not be voting third party if I'm a Texan and despise Trump.
If you lived in Mississippi? Sure, go on with your bad self and vote third party. Although even then, I kinda feel like 2020 is not the year to make any statements with our votes beyond getting Trump the fuck out of the White House regardless of where you live. But Texas? Keep that shit in play please.
Absolutely, yes! As a newly minted American citizen (sworn in two weeks ago 🇺🇸) I will most certainly be voting. I’m in Ma so it doesn’t really matter for the general but I still want to contribute to overall democratic numbers.
Honestly I can’t even conceive sitting it out in a purple state when the alternative is four more years of trump.
Post by mrsukyankee on Feb 6, 2020 16:51:37 GMT -5
sparkythelawyer, I understand not wanting to vote for him. I wouldn't want to either. I've just seen the result of not voting for something or doing a protest vote here in the UK - when it looked very likely that we'd vote against it. I had friends who stayed home because, "of course it won't pass...why bother" and a few who voted in protest for Brexit because they didn't believe their vote counted. Even in solidly blue states I'd be VERY worried about not voting blue all the way. You just never know.
States that were considered a shoo-in for Hillary Clinton went to Trump.
If third party/protest votes in states like Florida had held their noses for Clinton, she would’ve won.
Russia fucked around with the 2016 election and practically has an engraved invitation to do it again in 2020.
Trump’s got the Attorney General, the Senate, and other government departments under his thumb. The Supreme Court is split as it is, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg is an 86 year-old battling cancer, never mind if the rest of them fall off a cliff or something. If shady shit goes down with this election, we can’t depend on any of them to do the right and fair thing.
Plus Trump is an unpredictable asshole who will not go quietly. He may contest the results (especially if it’s close), refuse to leave the White House, or postpone/cancel the election entirely if he thinks it won’t go his way.
I want Trump gone, so I’m voting for his opponent no matter what. I hope all others who hate him will do the same.
But I will be damned to hell before I contribute to Trump being re-elected. Ride or die blue or 3rd party (in texas my vote won’t influence electoral votes so I might make a show for 3rd party to keep that momentum option going, depending on who is nominated). 90 percent sure I am voting blue for potus.
I know penguingrrl already responded but it is worth quoting again. Texas leans red, yes, but Beto showed that it can be in play. I don't want to tell people how to vote but...I would not be voting third party if I'm a Texan and despise Trump.
If you lived in Mississippi? Sure, go on with your bad self and vote third party. Although even then, I kinda feel like 2020 is not the year to make any statements with our votes beyond getting Trump the fuck out of the White House regardless of where you live. But Texas? Keep that shit in play please.
It will really depend on who is nominated (for the presidential seat). I reached out to electoral officials last year after the vote and there was no way in hell ANY of them were going to cast a vote for anyone but Trump.
Down ballot will be blue all the way unless there is a particular person with whom I take issue.
This is not really true. The national polls were shockingly accurate. The vast majority of state polls were also pretty close. A few states were off, and those states were not blowouts for Trump. 538 predicted a 30 percent chance of Trump winning. I think too many people, myself included, took this as more certainty than it really was for Hillary. We had a perfect storm for the results to fall in that 30 percent. It is entirely possible he’ll get re-elected. I’m not going into 2020 with the confidence I had in 2016. But that doesn’t mean we don’t have a good shot to beat him or that polls are meaningless.
I will vote for whomever is the candidate, and will likely donate some as well, but not as much as I would donate to my preferred candidate. Most of my donations are headed to my Dem House Rep, newly elected in 2018 and now with some fairly strong R competition for re-election.
I will vote for whoever is running against Trump, but if it's Warren, I'll see it as voting FOR Warren. If it's Sanders or Biden, I'll see it more as voting AGAINST Trump. I've donated to Warren and will do so again; if she's the nominee, I'll campaign for her this summer. I'll have a hard time being happy about Sanders. I'll vote for him, but that's the best I can do.
I understand why people don't feel like they could enthusiastically support Bernie. And this is what frustrates me about this conversation (And I'm not saying it to just people here, the ridiculous Bernie or bust people need to be realize it too) but who is being hurt by your unwillingness to do everything you can to defeat Trump? Is it Bernie? Yeah, I guess, he clearly wants to be president. But more than him, it is hurting the people who Trump hates.
Don't get out and canvas for Bernie, get out and canvas for the kids in cages. Knock on doors for the right to choose. Phone bank for the people who are directly impacted by the travel bans. I get that Bernie has his issues, but you can't truly believe that he would keep up the immigration policies that Trump has put in place, that he would nominate a judge to SCOTUS that will overturn Roe. Honestly I think donating to down ballot races would be more helpful than the pres, no matter who is the nominee, so I take no umbrage with not donating money, but donate your time, no matter who it is.
Hopefully, this is all a moot point and we get a nominee that we can all be excited for, but in the event that we don't, when we talk to family members/friends who refuse to vote Bernie, ask them if their contempt for him is more important than the people who are directly affected by the Trump policies. Trump won't pull back if he gets re-elected, its only going to get worse. Those people deserve to be fought for, they deserve more than a hold your nose vote. If you can't get behind the things Bernie says he will do, get behind the things that he won't do.
With all that said, I really do hope that Bernie stays away from Tulsi. He has said that he wont pick an "old white guy", but I really think he needs to say more than that. I know it is probably a really complicated question to answer, but if there has ever needed to be a early VP announcement, it is now. Personally, I would think maybe Baldwin or Stabenow (sp? that doesn't look right) would be good picks for him. Progressive, women, swing states, and honestly, they are lesser known so maybe that will pad his ego.
jigsy- I picked the canvas, etc. option for that reason. I am a Bernie hater but will still do whatever I can to get him elected if he is the nominee. Donating money will be a tough one so my "whatever" might have an asterisk.
jigsy- But on the other hand, your point is what drives me absolutely insane that his supporters refuse to do the same. I fucking hate that they do not give a shit about hurting people.
jigsy - But on the other hand, your point is what drives me absolutely insane that his supporters refuse to do the same. I fucking hate that they do not give a shit about hurting people.
I agree. And if/when we have a different nominee, I will be telling them the exact same thing until I am blue in the face.
It is frustrating, and it won't work on everyone (just like there will still be non-bernie voters should it come to that) but, hopefully we can find the right angle to communicate with some/most of them. Men, particularly white cis men, are the worst. So. I don't know how effective it will be.
jigsy- I've been told by a few that they will not vote unless it is Bernie. Fuckers. They think it'll send a message to the establishment and do not give a shit about the people they will hurt.
jigsy - I've been told by a few that they will not vote unless it is Bernie. Fuckers. They think it'll send a message to the establishment and do not give a shit about the people they will hurt.
Yeah, I have seen this. I was just looking at a facebook post from a fellow GBCN'er who has a Bernie supporter basically saying that he feels like if Bernie loses, it will only be because the DNC prevented it or some shit like that. So he doesn't see a difference between the corrupt Trump and a "corrupt" dem winner. He seems to think Bloomberg is going to somehow buy the nomination, and Bloomberg is a republican so it wouldn't matter.
And...well...you can't really argue with that because the _feel_ like they can't trust whoever. But, I am going to think on it, I guess it is good to hear what their reasons are, because that is the only way that you can really figure out if they are a total lost cause or not lol.
jigsy your post ignores the fact that some of us live in states that absolutely won’t be in play if Bernie is the nominee. And probably won’t be regardless. People are much better served by me canvassing in local elections, not to Bernie. There is literally zero point for me trying to get people in East TN to vote for Bernie and he will probably decimate any chance we have (however slim) in any down ballot race. I dislike Bernie intensely as a candidate. I dislike his supporters even more. But what I dislike the most - and what scares me the most - is what happens down ballot if it’s him.
So no. If he’s the nominee I probably won’t bother. I’m not that optimistic. I’ll do whatever I can to mitigate the damage him being at the top of the ticket does to local candidates who have made inroads in the past 3y. Every race used to be an R running unopposed basically. And now we have actual, good candidates running. Who care and are sacrificing because they feel like it’s worth it.
Of course Bernie would be better than Trump. That’s no contest. But he’s not the best choice and it is sooooooooo beyond selfish that people refuse to see that. Especially him. He shouldn’t even be in this race and he wouldn’t be if he truly cared about this country and the people in it more than himself. We needed to move on from 2016 and if he was able to, we’d be in a much better position. Imagine if he was a surrogate for a candidate and never got his divisive ass in this primary? It makes me so angry.
Special Snowflake: I’ll vote for any blue candidate, but I do not like all of them. But anyone, ANYONE is better than the ongoing nightmare we have now.
I cannot donate or become involved in any elections due to the nature of my job.
I won't donate money to Bernie but I'll donate time if he's the nom.
I bet he'd pick AOC as his running mate.
This was absolutely what I was thinking until I remembered and checked her age. Can you nominate a VP who would be unable to serve as President at any point during the first term?
jigsy - I've been told by a few that they will not vote unless it is Bernie. Fuckers. They think it'll send a message to the establishment and do not give a shit about the people they will hurt.
It sends a message, alright. And it sent that message last time. The message is "I have no integrity, values or empathy only stubbornness. I put my own interests above the well being of others and of our nation as a whole."
Which is how they bought all the ill will you see this election cycle.
Bernie is an egomanical ass hole who seems poised to be creamed by Trump. But he’s not a political neophyte and, despite his claims to the contrary, is a seasoned, established, Politician. I would eat my socks if he picks a lefty Berner type as his VP.
Bernie is an egomanical ass hole who seems poised to be creamed by Trump. But he’s not a political neophyte and, despite his claims to the contrary, is a seasoned, established, Politician. I would eat my socks if he picks a lefty Berner type as his VP.
I actually agree with this, and he definitely won’t pick Tlaib because she’s absolutely not going to play on a national level. Though I could see him picking someone like Yang, who could actually start developing himself and fleshing out some of those plans. He seems like a really good person who means well, but he’s not ready for the big league yet.
To be clear, this is not to insult Andrew Yang. He’s actually the best one besides Bernie, in my opinion.
Bernie is an egomanical ass hole who seems poised to be creamed by Trump. But he’s not a political neophyte and, despite his claims to the contrary, is a seasoned, established, Politician. I would eat my socks if he picks a lefty Berner type as his VP.
I actually agree with this, and he definitely won’t pick Tlaib because she’s absolutely not going to play on a national level. Though I could see him picking someone like Yang, who could actually start developing himself and fleshing out some of those plans. He seems like a really good person who means well, but he’s not ready for the big league yet.
To be clear, this is not to insult Andrew Yang. He’s actually the best one besides Bernie, in my opinion.
You better prepare yourself for the fact he is not picking Yang and would likely pick a dreaded “establishment” type person.