The Vow - HBO

[foundmylazybum]

Nov 2, 2020 14:48:20 GMT -5 @princessbubbleyum said:

Nov 2, 2020 13:57:23 GMT -5 foundmylazybum said:

I watched last night. It was graphic!


Some thoughts for potential discussion:


From The Vow: Sarah said she never had any sexual encounters wit Keith. She said she was Laurens slave, so she had to be a second tier person like India. How was she branded and going through the same type of actions as India yet NOT having to do sex acts? Was it that she was married and Nippy was also relatively high up? Sarah was higher up in the company but a lower tier slave. 🤔 also omg this is weird.


When India was talking about how she had to bring in her own slaves and how uncomfortable it made her..were the women she brought in as tightly engaged with Nexium? By the time SHE was into all this she had been in it for 6 years and had invested thousands of dollars and tons of emotional investment/abuse.

It seemed like a struggle to get these newer members was that it takes years of grooming.


The whole premise of creating this MLM scheme using human capital is over. The. Top to me.

The misogynism, abuse, horror of it..is horrible.

I wish they'd stop for two- episodes and truly dive into Allison and the Bronfmans.

Allison must have truly believed she was in loooove with Keith and that he a God who enlightened her life. Her ego...must have been huge.

The Bronfmans also fascinate me.

I was unprepared for how graphic it would get - maybe because of how light on details The Vow was.

I would also like a lot more info about Allison and the Bronfmans. When you look at the video of Allison, she looks like she's in a trance when she looks at Keith, like during her song at V-Week.

Or, its a really brief moment but she goes up to Keith and asks for a meeting and he says "sure, whenever you are free" and shes like

"I'm free now, oh right now.."

You can tell she is enraptured by him and OF COURSE she's free right now. Its creepy.

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Has anyone been watching part two that concluded last night? Having Nancy participate has been so interesting. Her perspective was critical in telling this story, but I also needed her to be more apologetic and less “poor me”.

Also the ones that still stand by him and tried to show up and serve the prosecutor with an affidavit? They all need to go through de-programming. Badly.

[basilosaurus]

Nov 22, 2022 11:44:26 GMT -5 @rebeccawelton said:

Has anyone been watching part two that concluded last night? Having Nancy participate has been so interesting. Her perspective was critical in telling this story, but I also needed her to be more apologetic and less “poor me”.

Also the ones that still stand by him and tried to show up and serve the prosecutor with an affidavit? They all need to go through de-programming. Badly.

I had no idea they were doing a follow-up season. Thanks for bumping this. I know what I'm doing tonight!

[dcrunnergirl52]

Nov 22, 2022 11:44:26 GMT -5 @rebeccawelton said:

Has anyone been watching part two that concluded last night? Having Nancy participate has been so interesting. Her perspective was critical in telling this story, but I also needed her to be more apologetic and less “poor me”.

Also the ones that still stand by him and tried to show up and serve the prosecutor with an affidavit? They all need to go through de-programming. Badly.

Yes! We just watched the last episode last night, and totally agree with you. And now I want to listen to Sarah and Nippy's podcast.

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Nov 23, 2022 6:46:51 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

Nov 22, 2022 11:44:26 GMT -5 @rebeccawelton said:

Has anyone been watching part two that concluded last night? Having Nancy participate has been so interesting. Her perspective was critical in telling this story, but I also needed her to be more apologetic and less “poor me”.

Also the ones that still stand by him and tried to show up and serve the prosecutor with an affidavit? They all need to go through de-programming. Badly.

I had no idea they were doing a follow-up season. Thanks for bumping this. I know what I'm doing tonight!

Come back when you finish! 

[basilosaurus]

Nov 23, 2022 10:17:17 GMT -5 @rebeccawelton said:

Nov 23, 2022 6:46:51 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

I had no idea they were doing a follow-up season. Thanks for bumping this. I know what I'm doing tonight!

Come back when you finish! 

Will do. It's past midnight here, and I spent my night with football watching friends (ugh, great game, but I was intending to boycott!), so I've just caught the first. And, yes, already I agree with your assessment of Nancy. Victim, excuses, no remorse.

It reminded me of Trump whining his privacy was violated with a "witchhunt" when he was raided looking for stolen highly classified docs. 

I went and read the wiki b/c I'd forgotten details and also that by the time the first aired 2 years ago, courts had already decided. So, I can rest easy knowing at least Reniere got such a massive sentence. I also expect that, much like Warren Jeffs, he still has a core following despite his location. They probably have both recruited more, too. I'm also glad Reniere didn't pull a Jim Jones and drink kool aid to avoid living their life out in a jail cell. Small consolation, but I'll take it.

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Nov 23, 2022 12:37:28 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

Nov 23, 2022 10:17:17 GMT -5 @rebeccawelton said:

Come back when you finish! 

Will do. It's past midnight here, and I spent my night with football watching friends (ugh, great game, but I was intending to boycott!), so I've just caught the first. And, yes, already I agree with your assessment of Nancy. Victim, excuses, no remorse.

It reminded me of Trump whining his privacy was violated with a "witchhunt" when he was raided looking for stolen highly classified docs. 

I went and read the wiki b/c I'd forgotten details and also that by the time the first aired 2 years ago, courts had already decided. So, I can rest easy knowing at least Reniere got such a massive sentence. I also expect that, much like Warren Jeffs, he still has a core following despite his location. They probably have both recruited more, too. I'm also glad Reniere didn't pull a Jim Jones and drink kool aid to avoid living their life out in a jail cell. Small consolation, but I'll take it.

Yep - and they are included in interviews. They're scary with their dedication.

[basilosaurus]

@rebeccawelton, I've finished. I knew from the title card for the tourette's episode it was going to anger me. How is that not practicing without a license? Not to mention skipping all the necessary processes to call something an experiment.

Was the only time Nancy sobbed was at the end when she was facing sentencing? She acknowledged the victims' pain with a straight faced "I felt sad for her," but no real emotion. However, I really liked what she said at the end about how it can really happen to anyone, maybe not to that extreme, but how anyone can end up losing themselves by minute increments. Death by a thousand papercuts in a way.

And, oof, the nxvivm 5 were just all kinds of messed up.

Once again, I was making comparisons to tfg with his projecting on every perceived enemy his own characteristics and behaviors. Malignant narcissism, textbook cases.

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Nov 25, 2022 7:44:35 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

@rebeccawelton , I've finished. I knew from the title card for the tourette's episode it was going to anger me. How is that not practicing without a license? Not to mention skipping all the necessary processes to call something an experiment.

Was the only time Nancy sobbed was at the end when she was facing sentencing? She acknowledged the victims' pain with a straight faced "I felt sad for her," but no real emotion. However, I really liked what she said at the end about how it can really happen to anyone, maybe not to that extreme, but how anyone can end up losing themselves by minute increments. Death by a thousand papercuts in a way.

And, oof, the nxvivm 5 were just all kinds of messed up.

Once again, I was making comparisons to tfg with his projecting on every perceived enemy his own characteristics and behaviors. Malignant narcissism, textbook cases.

Yeah - that tourette's episode was infuriating. And then not surprising that guy is one of the five vehemently defending him to this day.

And I do think the only time Nancy cried was after the sentencing. I have to think she's relieved Lauren ended up not having to serve time. I think the sentencing was probably the culmination of realizing how much had happened and how much of her life she'd given away to him as well as the things that ultimately happened under her watch.