I wonder if the supposed Harry and William feud was because it was William who was the one asking the questions about skin color.
A lot of people think it's because Harry called William out on the affair with Rose Hanbury. Or at the very least, William fed rumors about Harry and Meghan to the press to distract from his affair with Rose Hanbury.
Much of what was said is horrifying and the royal family has a lot of explaining to do.
However, the claim that Archie was denied being called a prince is not true, he was never entitled to it. Under the Letters Patent issued by George V, only grandchildren of the sovereign are entitled to Prince/Princess title. A special exception was made for the Cambridge kids only because they are in the direct line of succession, which Archie is not. That may have meant he’s not entitled to state paid security but I 100% believe that Charles would have paid for it from his own funds, the same way Beatrice and Eugenie’s father pays for theirs.
Oh come on. He's not, you're right, but it's a bit convenient to claim there's no way they could possibly give him a title when the Queen easily made an exception for Charlotte and Louis, and when Archie would be entitled to an HRH title when Charles becomes king anyway. It's just skipping a step. I would also find it off putting if, during my pregnancy, my husband's family (or their advisors) came to me and said, "JUST SO YOU KNOW your kid isn't getting a title, lady. Don't even ask."
Much of what was said is horrifying and the royal family has a lot of explaining to do.
However, the claim that Archie was denied being called a prince is not true, he was never entitled to it. Under the Letters Patent issued by George V, only grandchildren of the sovereign are entitled to Prince/Princess title. A special exception was made for the Cambridge kids only because they are in the direct line of succession, which Archie is not. That may have meant he’s not entitled to state paid security but I 100% believe that Charles would have paid for it from his own funds, the same way Beatrice and Eugenie’s father pays for theirs.
Oh come on. He's not, you're right, but it's a bit convenient to claim there's no way they could possibly give him a title when the Queen easily made an exception for Charlotte and Louis, and when Archie would be entitled to an HRH title when Charles becomes king anyway. It's just skipping a step. I would also find it off putting if, during my pregnancy, my husband's family (or their advisors) came to me and said, "JUST SO YOU KNOW your kid isn't getting a title, lady. Don't even ask."
It should have absolutely been handled differently - and she should have been better prepared by everyone before the wedding as to what she was getting into by everyone (the firm, the family, Harry, etc). None of the history and protocol should have been a surprise at that point.
Not always. I met the Queen and was specifically told not to curtsey.
Is this because you were in uniform? I have no reason to think this, but it wouldn't surprise me if protocol was different because it wasn't a social visit.
In my case, I believe it was because it was a military function and in uniform (even the Brits in uniform didn’t bow/curtsey). I think Americans do curtsey because in Obama’s book he talks about Michelle learning how. But I can see how it might be ambiguous even to Brits. Not that everything in The Crown was accurate, but they did show a scene where Diana was confused about who to curtsey to, in which order, and how to address everyone.
I think it’s an oversimplification to say “she should have known to curtsey, that’s basic!” Not that anyone in this thread has necessarily said it, just that it seems like one more way that the British Press picked on Meghan for not knowing how to do things right.
Post by thelurkylulu on Mar 8, 2021 10:45:30 GMT -5
One thing I’ve been thinking about is Kate making Meghan cry the week of her wedding. Kate was like a month out from giving birth to Louis the week of Meghan & Harry’s wedding. I don’t think weddings generally bring out the best in people under normal circumstances.
Do we think that if Will or Kate had made those awful skin tone comments, Meghan would have made sure to mention Kate apologized to her and brought her flowers and she wouldn’t spill the actual details about the fight? Because I would be in burn it down mode and sharing all of the details, had it been me.
I thought H&M did a really great job in the interview and I’m sorry for what they’ve been through. They seem much better off where they are now. I have so many more questions though. 😂
Oprah needs to interview more people- she's so good and what we need right now!
I definitely think it was Charles that made the skin tone comments!
I think H & M wanted all the perks still but not to do the work which I get but you can't move to the US and expect British taxpayers to pay for your security! That was a big issue they harped on.
I recorded it and I'm watching now. Her talking about going to that event because she was afraid to be alone made me actually cry a little and I don't cry easily.
I'm amazed at how...composed? I can't think of exactly the right word I want to use, but like. She doesn't know what Oprah is going to ask and these are really inflammatory subjects and she's so careful about the words she uses, but still gets her point across without sounding petty or vindictive even though she'd have every right to. Poised, maybe? It's impressive. I feel like I'd be alternately crying or yelling incoherently.
And she is so beautiful. Her skin. My goodness.
The word that came to my mind class. She showed a lot of class in the way she handled herself.
Oprah needs to interview more people- she's so good and what we need right now!
I definitely think it was Charles that made the skin tone comments!
I think H & M wanted all the perks still but not to do the work which I get but you can't move to the US and expect British taxpayers to pay for your security! That was a big issue they harped on.
But at the same time, they truly have no control over being born into this and being famous worldwide. They have to have security and it’s not under their control- Charles should continue to pay for it.
This is a good reminder that Oprah kicks so much ass at interviewing. Omg.
Yes. There were a few times H and M were answering a question and didn't address every part of the question and the interview continued on and then Oprah circled back and brought up the missed part again. She is thorough and thinks on her feet, but does it in a kind way that doesn't make the interviewee look like an ass. Plus, Oprah just makes it look relaxed and effortless, just 3 pals chatting on the porch....yes, it's a 20 million dollar porch...
I wonder if the supposed Harry and William feud was because it was William who was the one asking the questions about skin color.
A lot of people think it's because Harry called William out on the affair with Rose Hanbury. Or at the very least, William fed rumors about Harry and Meghan to the press to distract from his affair with Rose Hanbury.
I agree the affair, plus William told Harry to slow his relationship with Megan down a bit. Why didn't he like Megan from the get go when everyone else (Queen, public, cousins etc.) did? I think William is a puppeteer in a lot of stuff that goes down. One good thing was that it was him and Charles who went to the Queen and said Andrew had to be cut from being a working royal.
Oprah needs to interview more people- she's so good and what we need right now!
I definitely think it was Charles that made the skin tone comments!
I think H & M wanted all the perks still but not to do the work which I get but you can't move to the US and expect British taxpayers to pay for your security! That was a big issue they harped on.
I thought they made it pretty clear that they never wanted/planned to move to the US and they very much did want to continue to do the work they had been doing. I think Harry should have probably been guaranteed lifetime security in any case, but I don't see any problem at all with them being provided security, especially in the Commonwealth. The family could have easily paid for it out of private money if the taxpayer cost was really a concern. Or, you know, the family could have stood up for Meghan from the beginning and the Sussexes could have continued to work full time and live in Windsor which is already secure.
Oprah needs to interview more people- she's so good and what we need right now!
I definitely think it was Charles that made the skin tone comments!
I think H & M wanted all the perks still but not to do the work which I get but you can't move to the US and expect British taxpayers to pay for your security! That was a big issue they harped on.
Harry made the point that he asked if the threats had changed, and they had not. Can you imagine if your dad said, sorry kid, you're in the same danger, but now you don't get protection?! TTYL! J/K! I won't pick up the phone!
Former presidents receive security for life. I'm pretty sure no one is going after pres clinton anymore, but he still gets security.
I realize the monarchy is a stickier subject as being obsolete and expensive, but surely security is a mere drop in the bucket. This seems entirely punitive. Same with the giving up of titles and, especially for Harry, military honors. One formal dinner probably funds the security for the year.
Oprah needs to interview more people- she's so good and what we need right now!
I definitely think it was Charles that made the skin tone comments!
I think H & M wanted all the perks still but not to do the work which I get but you can't move to the US and expect British taxpayers to pay for your security! That was a big issue they harped on.
If you watched that interview and that's what you came away with, that's fucked up.
Oprah needs to interview more people- she's so good and what we need right now!
I definitely think it was Charles that made the skin tone comments!
I think H & M wanted all the perks still but not to do the work which I get but you can't move to the US and expect British taxpayers to pay for your security! That was a big issue they harped on.
I actually see it the other way around. They were saying that Archie wasn't going to have a title or security, then when he was born everyone was all up in arms that they didn't do the baby photo like with Wills kids but they didn't do the baby photo because....he wasn't going to be protected so they didn't want to offer him up to the public in that way.
It sounds to me like the royal family wanted all the perks but none of the responsibility to Meghan and Archie.
I thought I read somewhere once that Americans don't have to curtsy to the Queen because she's not our sovereign, but I don't know if I'm remembering correctly or not.
You are. I looked it up recently.
I've read conflicting reports on this. It's the same reason Obama (well, that and anti-Obama) was criticized for bowing to Shinzo Abe.
I think it's one of those technicality things that when things are good, you show deference as a sign of good will. But I'm likely talking out my ass. Although it appears I may have been right about a military function being treated differently.
I spent about 1/4 of my childhood years (annually) in a Commonwealth. I'm such a dork I'd go to school. Also, I was bored, they had books, and, yes, I asked for math problems. They quickly told me not to say the pledge. So when Meghan said she learned the anthem that surprised me. But, I guess if god save the queen gramma in law, you probably should say it.
One thing I’ve been thinking about is Kate making Meghan cry the week of her wedding. Kate was like a month out from giving birth to Louis the week of Meghan & Harry’s wedding. I don’t think weddings generally bring out the best in people under normal circumstances.
Do we think that if Will or Kate had made those awful skin tone comments, Meghan would have made sure to mention Kate apologized to her and brought her flowers and she wouldn’t spill the actual details about the fight? Because I would be in burn it down mode and sharing all of the details, had it been me.
I thought H&M did a really great job in the interview and I’m sorry for what they’ve been through. They seem much better off where they are now. I have so many more questions though. 😂
Yes the crying over flower girl dresses, I don't see as a big deal. I'm sure every bride has cried during the week of the wedding over some conflict with family. Its stressful AF.
The part that was WTF is how the story came out 6 months later making her the bad guy in this interaction and nobody would correct it publicly. "They were willing to lie to protect some members of the family, but not willing to tell the truth to protect me." I think thats the meat of this situation.
One thing I’ve been thinking about is Kate making Meghan cry the week of her wedding. Kate was like a month out from giving birth to Louis the week of Meghan & Harry’s wedding. I don’t think weddings generally bring out the best in people under normal circumstances.
Do we think that if Will or Kate had made those awful skin tone comments, Meghan would have made sure to mention Kate apologized to her and brought her flowers and she wouldn’t spill the actual details about the fight? Because I would be in burn it down mode and sharing all of the details, had it been me.
I thought H&M did a really great job in the interview and I’m sorry for what they’ve been through. They seem much better off where they are now. I have so many more questions though. 😂
Yes the crying over flower girl dresses, I don't see as a big deal. I'm sure every bride has cried during the week of the wedding over some conflict with family. Its stressful AF.
The part that was WTF is how the story came out 6 months later making her the bad guy in this interaction and nobody would correct it publicly. "They were willing to lie to protect some members of the family, but not willing to tell the truth to protect me." I think thats the meat of this situation.
EXACTLY. I had an unmarried male friend text and ask why she seems to be protecting Kate with that story. I had to explain that even for us mere commoners, weddings are stressful and I think every bridal party has had some tears the week of. lol. This is not the story- it's the part where the misinformation was not corrected.
My money is on Charles being the racist a-hole. His brother is pedophile, and they think they are untouchable. He also seems like a classic narcissist in his demands and certainly wouldn’t want his rein as king to be overshadowed by any other issue. He wanted Meagan silenced -perhaps she is like Diana and he just wasn’t having it again. It wouldn’t surprise me if he leaked various stories to cover up for himself and other popular family members.
Oprah needs to interview more people- she's so good and what we need right now!
I definitely think it was Charles that made the skin tone comments!
I think H & M wanted all the perks still but not to do the work which I get but you can't move to the US and expect British taxpayers to pay for your security! That was a big issue they harped on.
What perks do you think they were hoping to get? Because it sure doesn't seem like having to have security because you have constant death threats, or being around your racist family members all the time who lie about you and don't protect you seem like very big 'perks'. Give me a break.
Oprah needs to interview more people- she's so good and what we need right now!
I definitely think it was Charles that made the skin tone comments!
I think H & M wanted all the perks still but not to do the work which I get but you can't move to the US and expect British taxpayers to pay for your security! That was a big issue they harped on.
Ummmmm they are getting death threats, you don’t think that something worth ‘harping’ on?
What a shit take.
And like TR said if that is all you took away from the interview than that is fucked up.
Oprah needs to interview more people- she's so good and what we need right now!
I definitely think it was Charles that made the skin tone comments!
I think H & M wanted all the perks still but not to do the work which I get but you can't move to the US and expect British taxpayers to pay for your security! That was a big issue they harped on.
I actually see it the other way around. They were saying that Archie wasn't going to have a title or security, then when he was born everyone was all up in arms that they didn't do the baby photo like with Wills kids but they didn't do the baby photo because....he wasn't going to be protected so they didn't want to offer him up to the public in that way.
It sounds to me like the royal family wanted all the perks but none of the responsibility to Meghan and Archie.
I thought Meghan said that the were never asked to do a photo op like W&K did but that they let the press run with them not wanting to do it.
Oprah needs to interview more people- she's so good and what we need right now!
I definitely think it was Charles that made the skin tone comments!
I think H & M wanted all the perks still but not to do the work which I get but you can't move to the US and expect British taxpayers to pay for your security! That was a big issue they harped on.
What perks do you think they were hoping to get? Because it sure doesn't seem like having to have security because you have constant death threats, or being around your racist family members all the time who lie about you and don't protect you seem like very big 'perks'. Give me a break.
@@@ Not to mention being at the point where you want to end your life while pregnant and being told that you can't seek any kind of help.
I cannot imagine the sheer panic Harry would feel in trying to protect his wife and family, given the trauma he experienced with Diana. And I think the surreal "how is this real life" thing where how would your family not have your back would have made things so much more hurtful and confusing for Meghan. It's all just a cluster.
I wouldn’t be the tiniest bit surprised if she and Charles discussed Archie’s skin tone in private so it looked like it was Charles’ concern (like she planted the thought in his brain).
I totally think this too. They can both tell Oprah they love their sweet old granny, but I think granny is as racist as her son. From the moment she was born, the queen grew up knowing her family ruled over millions of people of color just because her ancestors had gone out and colonized them. Her family believed since the start of the monarchy that they were superior due to the color of their skin so I don't see why she wouldn't also embrace this racist outlook as she became queen. Nothing notable she has done in her lifetime makes me think she's changed her thoughts or ways.
I think it's interesting people are saying Americans have this fantasy notion of the British monarchy. I grew up as an American too, but the people in my parents' generation were all born right around the time of India's independence. I grew up hearing their version of what they thought of the British and what independence really meant to them and their parents and families who had all lived under the British rule. Versus our independence in the USA was over 200 years ago so we don't feel as passionately about the 13 colonies gaining their freedom anymore.
Oprah needs to interview more people- she's so good and what we need right now!
I definitely think it was Charles that made the skin tone comments!
I think H & M wanted all the perks still but not to do the work which I get but you can't move to the US and expect British taxpayers to pay for your security ! That was a big issue they harped on.
They didn't. They moved to Canada, a commonwealth nation, and were told they were financially cut off with no access to security despite the presence of death threats. Even if he wasn't receiving money from the Civil List, isn't the Duchy of Cornwall basically Charles's private funds to do as he wishes, including make sure his son, DIL and grandson aren't assaulted or murdered? Harry clearly states they hopped the border after aerial images of their Canadian home was published with their address and came to California when Tyler Perry offered them a safe haven with security.
Much of what was said is horrifying and the royal family has a lot of explaining to do.
However, the claim that Archie was denied being called a prince is not true, he was never entitled to it. Under the Letters Patent issued by George V, only grandchildren of the sovereign are entitled to Prince/Princess title. A special exception was made for the Cambridge kids only because they are in the direct line of succession, which Archie is not. That may have meant he’s not entitled to state paid security but I 100% believe that Charles would have paid for it from his own funds, the same way Beatrice and Eugenie’s father pays for theirs.
Meghan, in the interview, says she was aware of the above but unnamed family member [cough cough Charles] said the Letters would be amended/ updated that Archie would NEVER be a prince even after QEII dies. The first blood member of color in the family is having the rules changed out from under him
And in regards to Charles paying privately for security- how could you possibly get that impression when he cut Harry off completely and stopped taking his phone calls?
Well I was gone a few hours and see that I got piled on! Everything that happened to them, especially Meghan, is fucked up. I don’t want to minimize that at all and I’m sorry if I left that impression! No doubt about what they have gone thru is awful and I would have left too. I think Harry didn’t adequately prepare her for this like he kinda expected her to go with the flow and it would be a fairytale. I think their plan was to always leave and do their own thing - businesses, charitable work etc but the horrible treatment she got just sped that up. They probably loved her at first and then realized she has a brain of her own and wasn’t going to do whatever they said so they turned on her.
My point was more about the cost of all this- not just them but all the money that goes royals. It’s a huge waste of resources whether they are in the UK, living in Canada, etc and most Brits can’t stand the antiquated support of them. His father absolutely should help them with security wherever they live with his own money but it doesn’t sound like that will ever happen.
Much of what was said is horrifying and the royal family has a lot of explaining to do.
However, the claim that Archie was denied being called a prince is not true, he was never entitled to it. Under the Letters Patent issued by George V, only grandchildren of the sovereign are entitled to Prince/Princess title. A special exception was made for the Cambridge kids only because they are in the direct line of succession, which Archie is not. That may have meant he’s not entitled to state paid security but I 100% believe that Charles would have paid for it from his own funds, the same way Beatrice and Eugenie’s father pays for theirs.
Except, what Meghan actually said was that they wanted to change the patent letter so that Archie wouldn’t ever receive the title even when Charles became King. Which is likely to happen while he is still a minor and in need of security and procreation. Especially as the only blood member of the royal family of mixed race.
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most Brits can’t stand the antiquated support of them.
I keep seeing this thrown around today and the data doesn’t support it. In polling as recent as last your the majority of Britons supported staying a constitutional monarchy. Will that change in the future? Absolutely - 16 to 24 year olds only support it in the high 40%. Will it be forced to change - yup. But is it going anywhere any time soon? Nope.
The British tabloids are absolutely anti-monarchists and that’s the news most Americans see.
“With sorrow—for this Court, but more, for the many millions of American women who have today lost a fundamental constitutional protection—we dissent,”