The eligibility groups have been so unclear and changed so many times in my state- I donât blame people who are getting the shot if they are confused or trying to get answers. Our county just finally got back to us since we started asking in January- 3 months later. I do blame people if they are straight up lying.
A neighboring county opened up all phases last week so I got an appointment, but then they backtracked and closed it to my tier so I donât know what to do
You're one of the ones I was talking about upthread. They probably canceled because they realized how many out of county people had signed up. They expected *their* residents to sign up, and that didn't happen. I'd cancel your appt. CO isn't all that far out from opening eligibility to everyone.
There was a recent news story here in Pasadena where they actually closed the site for the day because too many of the people showing up with appointments has lied about eligibility and werenât actually eligible. There were also several news reports about the private links created to help get shots in arms of underserved groups were then forwarded to people who didnât qualify and being used to make appointments. So itâs not really a he said she said thing here.
I just got done reading a news story that details how the US is focusing more on the bad news than the good news, and based on the number of articles I've read about line jumpers (where there isn't a whole lot of substantiated data within the news story) I think that's going on a lot. (article:Â www.nytimes.com/2021/03/24/briefing/boulder-shooting-george-segal-astrazeneca.html)
In your instance, how many people used the link in bad faith vs those that were eligible? Did they receive the link and think it was legitimately for them? What were the other mitigating factors? I'm a pretty doom and gloom person, but I just can't think that out of the 44 million people vaccinated so far (source), more than 5% have gotten it by lying.
I think youâre both right, but youâre probably more right. Iâm not convinced this is an issue in the aggregate, even though many of us, myself included, know people who have told especially egregious lies to jump the line without any actual risk factors (including my mother.) Despite our anecdotes I donât think it is as widespread as youâd expect, especially since our board demographics correlate with people who are more likely to both want to be vaccinated ASAP and have the time and tech savvy to pursue a vaccine even when theyâre quasi-difficult to find (and letâs be real, in a lot of cases fully understand what is a lie about eligibility vs legitimate confusion.)
I actually think thereâs another corresponding phenomenon that is operating similarly which is the wasted vaccine doses from early on. The waste and end of day rush to use vaccine doses has decreased SUBSTANTIALLY since the vaccine was rolled out. Clinics are getting more efficient with their processes and itâs making a difference. But there was a big public hubub about this âvaccine hackâ so a bunch of privileged people without risk factors use this as a reason to jump the line because itâs better to get them out of order than have them be wasted - which is true, but only if the alternative is that theyâre actually wasted. There is a big difference between getting on a cancelation list for a last minute dose, or even showing up at a vaccine site at the end of the day hoping for a dose and actively scheduling yourself an appointment slot when you know youâre not eligible. For truly extra doses there are legitimate ways to get them in a lot of places (and I got one that way as a clinic volunteer so no shade!) but that isnât actually morally wrong the way lying is.
The eligibility groups have been so unclear and changed so many times in my state- I donât blame people who are getting the shot if they are confused or trying to get answers. Our county just finally got back to us since we started asking in January- 3 months later. I do blame people if they are straight up lying.
A neighboring county opened up all phases last week so I got an appointment, but then they backtracked and closed it to my tier so I donât know what to do
Despite my post above I think you should keep the appt if you were eligible when you made it.
I just got my covid-19 antibody test results back from my Red Cross blood donation, 13 days post single dose J&J vaccine: negative. (I have no reason to think Iâve had covid.)
I actually think thereâs another corresponding phenomenon that is operating similarly which is the wasted vaccine doses from early on. The waste and end of day rush to use vaccine doses has decreased SUBSTANTIALLY since the vaccine was rolled out. Clinics are getting more efficient with their processes and itâs making a difference. But there was a big public hubub about this âvaccine hackâ so a bunch of privileged people without risk factors use this as a reason to jump the line because itâs better to get them out of order than have them be wasted - which is true, but only if the alternative is that theyâre actually wasted. There is a big difference between getting on a cancelation list for a last minute dose, or even showing up at a vaccine site at the end of the day hoping for a dose and actively scheduling yourself an appointment slot when you know youâre not eligible. For truly extra doses there are legitimate ways to get them in a lot of places (and I got one that way as a clinic volunteer so no shade!) but that isnât actually morally wrong the way lying is.
Agreed that the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
I also agree with you that an empty appointment space is not the same as a wasted vaccine. They're not mass thawing all the doses for the day. They're thawing them in batches for the appointments within the time frame. If those appointments aren't filled, the vaccine isn't thawed. (For Moderna and Pfizer. J&J is of course just refrigerated.)
The eligibility groups have been so unclear and changed so many times in my state- I donât blame people who are getting the shot if they are confused or trying to get answers. Our county just finally got back to us since we started asking in January- 3 months later. I do blame people if they are straight up lying.
A neighboring county opened up all phases last week so I got an appointment, but then they backtracked and closed it to my tier so I donât know what to do
It depends. We have one facility that has changed their rules 8 billion times, and I get it is to reach the underserved areas, but they should have just planned it that way from the beginning. They were being very hardcore about it and cancelling everyone's appointments.
Then we have the pharmacies that are following the state rules even though a few counties have opted out of the state rules due to their large population. Luckily our county has finally agreed to follow the state. It just makes it easier if they could all at least try to do the same thing. Even though I understand certain counties are not getting enough vaccine. I would cancel if you think they will turn you away.
Many people in my populated area are driving to less populated areas where there are lots more vaccine because they have opened it up to everyone in the state in those locations and following the less restrictive state rules. So by driving a bit farther they are reducing the burden on our populated area and hopefully those that can't drive as far can take those appointments. It's a mess, but hopefully getting better.
ETA- I don't know anyone who really cheated. I know people who were confused. I know one person that isn't eligible until the whole state or county opens up that got an extra dose. I think they should have tried to find seniors for those, but it's out of my hands. I know people who went to the site, and showed their badge and were vaccinated, and later on the county says oh you are in this group.
Has J&J pushed out any more vaccines after their first initial supply? I thought I saw an article that said they weren't going to be able to hit their March totals they promised.
I just wonder once it is the shot that is predominately being given out, if compliance will go up. As someone said upthread, the more apathetic types will opt in finally.
I haven't read through this monster thread, but I want to comment on "cheating" to get the vaccine. This rhetoric makes me crazy. The bottom line is that that more people who can get the shot, the better. Period.
Post by wanderingback on Mar 24, 2021 9:24:50 GMT -5
Also, I know people are complaining, but overall I'm impressed with how far the country has come in general, especially since we don't have a central health care system. The vaccine was just approved a little less than 3 months ago! I would like to know how equity issues are going in other countries like the UK for example, I'll have to ask my partners family what they've seen/heard. We certainly have a ways to go in regards to equity, but overall the amount of work this has taken is really amazing to me.
Like I said above my small office is working on ordering the vaccine and figuring out the logistics and it is A LOT. Obviously there are logistics people who are trained in this kind of thing who have helped with this roll out, but I can't imagine trying to coordinate millions of doses when we're struggling trying to coordinate ramping up to do 100 doses a week, ha.
OMG. I just got an appointment for tomorrow. Apparently one of our mass vaccination sites has had a lot of cancellations and they are trying to fill appointments regardless of eligibility.
This is really depressing to me...but it would be similar to the % of the population that chooses to get a flu shot each year, so maybe not surprising.
Another thing I was reading about is the âintention action gapâ where people intend to do something but just donât get around to it. Theyâve seen an improved rate of people getting the flu vaccine where the appointments are automatically made and people have to opt out versus taking the time/energy to make the appointments themselves. Maybe when we get to a place of increased supply something like that could be implemented
Yep. In 1 city I'm familiar with they have switched to walk-in appointments, which has helped, but I still don't think that's enough. Need to bring the vaccine to the people. Churches, non-profits, work places, etc. I think only 30% of the people at my work place have gotten vaccinated :/ I guarantee if we were able to get a vaccination day where the vaccine is on-sight that number would be up. Our building is actually literally next door to a place that's administering vaccines, but obviously our staff can't just walk in there and get a vaccine.
I regularly send covid updates to the staff. And one staff did notify me that she did book an appointment after a little nudging from another staff member, but otherwise she wasn't out hunting everyday for an appointment even though she sees patients daily and has been eligible for awhile now.
I've intended to do my taxes for a couple of weeks now, but still hasn't happened, ha. If someone was able to gather all my paperwork for me, I'd get it done asap! Everyone has different priorities.
OMG. I just got an appointment for tomorrow. Apparently one of our mass vaccination sites has had a lot of cancellations and they are trying to fill appointments regardless of eligibility.
:::Twirls::::
Can you PM me info? I have a friend who is desperate and obsessed but wants to do it the right way.
So Iâm coming in late to respond to something from last night. Iâm in a state that announced it will be opening vaccines to everyone starting next Monday. We actually have decent numbers of people getting the vaccine. 27% have had at least one shot, which gets us into the top 20 of states. 71% of people 65+ have had one shot.
There are a lot of factors as to why that is, including lower population generally. Our tribes have stepped up immensely to help as well. They opened to non-tribal members in phase about a month ago and last week opened to anyone, regardless of phase. Our county health departments also stepped up before our stateâs portal was open. I laughed and thought it was ridic they were using signup genius, but you know what? It worked. My ILs got their first shot January 4 in a rural county not too far away. We have the state central portal, which is glitchy, but at least it exists.. And then the larger counties (OK County for sure) and private labs, CVS, Wal-Mart, etc. all have had their own bookings outside the portal.
Iâm hoping the fully open vaccines will get people in who have been âwaiting their turnâ or âdonât want to take a shot from someone who needs it more.â I also think some folks have been eligible either for medical reasons or being in the essential industry group that opened last week and just didnât know it or didnât have the time/energy to look into it.
One thing we have got to do is start taking the vaccine to where people are. We have good numbers, but everything is still basically booked online. At a press conference yesterday, the director of our state health department mentioning moving to mobile vaccine spots in neighborhoods so Iâm hoping that gets started soon as well.
Post by dutchgirl678 on Mar 24, 2021 10:33:53 GMT -5
A few counties in my state (OR) have opened vaccinations to people over 45 with one or more health problems. DH and I both qualify, so when I saw the big vaccination site a few counties over had lots of free slots I booked us an appointment. Our county doesn't open to this group until next week and I expect it to be difficult to find any appointments for a few weeks after that.
I'm seeing mostly Moderna here. Who has had Pfizer? Just curious what your second shot experience was. I'm scheduled for my second during a busy week at work and getting nervous
I had my 2nd shot 23 hours ago. So far I feel totally fine. My arm doesn't hurt as much as the first shot, either. I did go to bed early last night because I was tired, but I'm often tired so I don't know if it was really because of that. I figured it was better to just listen to my body and sleep than to push it and potentially make myself feel bad, but I probably *could have* stayed up later if I ignored it.
I blocked off my work calendar today just in case I felt crappy, but at this rate I figure I'll work the full day.Â
I was so tired after shot 1, like slept most of the weekend tired. But like you I'm just about always tired, so who knows.
I'm seeing mostly Moderna here. Who has had Pfizer? Just curious what your second shot experience was. I'm scheduled for my second during a busy week at work and getting nervous
I had my second dose of Pfizer this past Friday. I was a little worried because I had signed up for a Pound instructor training way before I got my shot, so I had no idea it was going to line up this way, but basically I did Day 1 of training, got my shot and then did Day 2!
I did take a Panadol just in case I had side effects but for the most part I felt fine and was able to get through the training (which was pretty physical!) without any issues. I did take a nap afterwards to let my body rest!
I did get a swollen lymph node so my arm pit was sore for more than a few days! I'm also oddly less hungry than usual (but not nauseous), but not sure if that's vaccine related or otherwise!
Good luck - I agree with the others who say to make sure you're hydrated! I think that helped me a lot :-)
I really never thought about the hydration thing. I am so bad with drinking water, but going to make an extra effort to do that this time.
This is really depressing to me...but it would be similar to the % of the population that chooses to get a flu shot each year, so maybe not surprising.
Another thing I was reading about is the âintention action gapâ where people intend to do something but just donât get around to it. Theyâve seen an improved rate of people getting the flu vaccine where the appointments are automatically made and people have to opt out versus taking the time/energy to make the appointments themselves. Maybe when we get to a place of increased supply something like that could be implemented
I wonder if coordinating with employers would help for the future. Most places I've worked have set up shot clinics for flu shots and most get then because hey it's there, it's not like you have to drive somewhere and take time out of your personal life to do, why not.
There were also several news reports about the private links created to help get shots in arms of underserved groups were then forwarded to people who didnât qualify and being used to make appointments. So itâs not really a he said she said thing here.
Did they receive the link and think it was legitimately for them?
I know this plays a part.
I received one of those links when it went around. The text said they couldnât fill the appointments at the newly opened Oakland coliseum vaccination location and weâre opening up the last of the slots to get them in arms before they expired. It involved a code. As written, nothing said it was intended for any specific group. it was believable that a quick ramp up of a very large location might not fill day one. They still needed to get operational and use the vaccines before they expired so they could continue to receive allotments for and serve all the intended people. I didnât sign up myself because I knew I wasnât eligible, but it sounded legitimate enough that I sent it on to people I knew were eligible and hadnât been able to schedule their vaccine yet. The link had you put in all your details and then would say if you were eligible - but the code overrode the actual info and declared everyone eligible. I can see someone following the link in good faith to see if they qualify, getting a âyesâ from the state website, and think that for that specific location at that specific time they genuinely fit the criteria. Nothing on the text, code or process made it look like the code was intended for a specific group. It wasnât until a few days later when info circulated about the misuse that I realized what had happened.
(Basically it sounded like the situation iced coffee is currently in)
I was glad I had used my better judgment but I donât think everyone else was acting in bad faith as much as just not thinking critically.
OMG. I just got an appointment for tomorrow. Apparently one of our mass vaccination sites has had a lot of cancellations and they are trying to fill appointments regardless of eligibility.
:::Twirls::::
Can you PM me info? I have a friend who is desperate and obsessed but wants to do it the right way.
I think at this point my state is just trying to match demand to vaccines. We open up to everyone April 12, which is only 3 weeks away. So I wouldnât consider anyone âcheatingâ at this point. I think the groups are so not everyone tries to make an appointment at once at this point. * except our major city is behind so they might not be opening up.
I haven't read through this monster thread, but I want to comment on "cheating" to get the vaccine. This rhetoric makes me crazy. The bottom line is that that more people who can get the shot, the better. Period.
Then why have tiers or levels of eligibility? Do those only pertain to certain people?
I get more shots in the arms, but at what cost? 30 year olds can now go out to the bars again while Granny is a sitting duck and cannot go anywhere?
The eligibility groups have been so unclear and changed so many times in my state- I donât blame people who are getting the shot if they are confused or trying to get answers. Our county just finally got back to us since we started asking in January- 3 months later. I do blame people if they are straight up lying.
A neighboring county opened up all phases last week so I got an appointment, but then they backtracked and closed it to my tier so I donât know what to do
If it were me, I would still go. Rules changed mid game. You were eligible when you made your appointment.
Another thing I was reading about is the âintention action gapâ where people intend to do something but just donât get around to it. Theyâve seen an improved rate of people getting the flu vaccine where the appointments are automatically made and people have to opt out versus taking the time/energy to make the appointments themselves. Maybe when we get to a place of increased supply something like that could be implemented
I wonder if coordinating with employers would help for the future. Most places I've worked have set up shot clinics for flu shots and most get then because hey it's there, it's not like you have to drive somewhere and take time out of your personal life to do, why not.
I was wondering why many of the manufacturing plants didn't do this, especially in small towns.
I know a major company just had an onsite this week for their employees, sounds like turn out was high. They coordinated with the state and a local pharmacy.
According to Andy Slavitt 70% of Americans over the age of 65 have gotten at least their first shot. I personally think that is pretty darn good. Opening up availability doesnât appear to be taking shots away from grandparents.
The strategy from here seems to be getting as many shots in the arms as possible as quickly as possible. I donât disagree honestly as long as there is a good plan to reach the most vulnerable and less privileged. Every person that gets vaccinated only helps protect the masses though.
I haven't read through this monster thread, but I want to comment on "cheating" to get the vaccine. This rhetoric makes me crazy. The bottom line is that that more people who can get the shot, the better. Period.
Then why have tiers or levels of eligibility? Do those only pertain to certain people?
I get more shots in the arms, but at what cost? 30 year olds can now go out to the bars again while Granny is a sitting duck and cannot go anywhere?
Because there was not enough vaccine to distribute at the outset. That's why prioritized tiers were set up. As more vaccine is made and allocated and people in tiers 1A and 1B get vaccinated than others not in those tiers can get vaccinated.
I'm sure we could spend all day playing the Is It Fair or Not Fair Game but I really don't give a fuck what's "fair".
EVERYONE WHO CAN GET VACCINATED IS A WIN FOR HERD IMMUNITY.
Then why have tiers or levels of eligibility? Do those only pertain to certain people?
I get more shots in the arms, but at what cost? 30 year olds can now go out to the bars again while Granny is a sitting duck and cannot go anywhere?
Because there was not enough vaccine to distribute at the outset. That's why prioritized tiers were set up. As more vaccine is made and allocated and people in tiers 1A and 1B get vaccinated than others not in those tiers can get vaccinated.
I'm sure we could spend all day playing the Is It Fair or Not Fair Game but I really don't give a fuck what's "fair".
EVERYONE WHO CAN GET VACCINATED IS A WIN FOR HERD IMMUNITY.
Post by melodramatic26 on Mar 24, 2021 13:35:46 GMT -5
I live in Mo, which has been shown to be the textbook case of a shit show of how a governor ran layout can go. We are featured in the national news weekly on what not do. Our GOP governor has sent the majority of our vaccinations to rural communities. So much so that yes, those mass vaccination events have been opening up to anyone the past couple weeks.
It does mean that so many people are driving hours, I mean 2+ hours to get their 1st shots, but itâs been handled so badly here. My husband and I didnât lie about our eligibility, but we did travel to Illinois to get federally available shots as soon as they were available to us. Our pharmacies here, Walgreens, Walmartâs, CVS, still are not getting the same amount of shipments as places down south or up north with not even 1/3 the population.
And just today, there was a county county on mSNBC as the county with lowest vaccination rate in the US and the reason? The town people donât want to get it. Guess what, itâs in Missouri, and itâs had 2 mass vaccination events. đ¤Śââď¸đ¤Śââď¸đ¤Śââď¸đ¤Śââď¸
PAâs numbers are going up again and it sucks. Wtf.
This sucks, I was so hoping our numbers would stay low. I'm in Delco and live off a main street with multiple bars and all of them were PACKED (all indoor) this weekend. One is right across the street from my house and there wasn't a mask in sight.