I mean, crazy thought, but maybe we just need to collectively adjust our expectations about how easy it is to get stuff. Only order what we NEED, buy local, wait on the things that can wait. If we all do this, maybe the important things (different for everybody) will get through and they can clear the jam.
I really needed to read this today. I am feeling really defeated
I'm sorry, I can't imagine working in that industry right now. Consumers just need to adjusted expectations and redefine what we 'need'.
What are your thoughts on redirecting shipping to containers to FL? The FL governor is trying to say he's saving Christmas by offering our ports in FL to receive ships, but I feel like it's not that simple or even helpful. But I don't know.
mysteriouswife, I liked your post for the thorough explanation of the nuances, not the actual situation you're dealing with. I can't imagine how stressful it is!
I really needed to read this today. I am feeling really defeated
I'm sorry, I can't imagine working in that industry right now. Consumers just need to adjusted expectations and redefine what we 'need'.
What are your thoughts on redirecting shipping to containers to FL? The FL governor is trying to say he's saving Christmas by offering our ports in FL to receive ships, but I feel like it's not that simple or even helpful. But I don't know.
I don’t know enough about the shipping industry to know if will help, but I do know enough about Rom DeSantis to know he doesn’t actually give a shit about anyone but himself, and isn’t a good enough politician to actually make meaningful change for anyone. I’m always extremely skeptical when he seems to have some amazing ideas. I mean, even if the ships can be unloaded, there are still major issues with trucking that won’t be fixed…
I will say that at least where I am in NW Florida, the shortages seem pretty minimal (ie: minor inconveniences of certain grocery items being unavailable from time to time), but I don’t work in any of the hardest-hit industries so those may still be badly affected.
I'm sorry, I can't imagine working in that industry right now. Consumers just need to adjusted expectations and redefine what we 'need'.
What are your thoughts on redirecting shipping to containers to FL? The FL governor is trying to say he's saving Christmas by offering our ports in FL to receive ships, but I feel like it's not that simple or even helpful. But I don't know.
I don’t know enough about the shipping industry to know if will help, but I do know enough about Rom DeSantis to know he doesn’t actually give a shit about anyone but himself, and isn’t a good enough politician to actually make meaningful change for anyone. I’m always extremely skeptical when he seems to have some amazing ideas. I mean, even if the ships can be unloaded, there are still major issues with trucking that won’t be fixed…
I will say that at least where I am in NW Florida, the shortages seem pretty minimal (ie: minor inconveniences of certain grocery items being unavailable from time to time), but I don’t work in any of the hardest-hit industries so those may still be badly affected.
Exactly, anything that he says I'm immediately skeptical of and don't believe. Honestly I haven't had an issues for a majority of things, just random inconveniences. Like I wanted to paint my dining room and my preferred paint was out. Ok, but I had 6 other options to pick from in different brands. Sure I accidently picked a paint that was $15/gallon and was basically colored water, but my dining room is now a beautiful shade of turquoise. Or my toilet paper is out and I went with White Cloud instead of my normal Great Value brand. My bum will survive.
I really needed to read this today. I am feeling really defeated
I'm sorry, I can't imagine working in that industry right now. Consumers just need to adjusted expectations and redefine what we 'need'.
What are your thoughts on redirecting shipping to containers to FL? The FL governor is trying to say he's saving Christmas by offering our ports in FL to receive ships, but I feel like it's not that simple or even helpful. But I don't know.
I think he and Abbot are idiots who have no business running a state.
With that said neither TX not FL can be the saving Grace. The amount of volume going through CA is unbelievable. Sure it can lessen the load. At the end of the day neither state has ports that can handle that amount of volume. They will eventually have a bigger backlog. I don’t for one second believe neither state has had port issues during the pandemic like they have claimed. I have insider knowledge that says otherwise. Hell, I have containers sitting waiting to rail in MIA. I think we would be shifting the backlog to make it appear something was done.
Also, think about logistics. Most of the vessels are sitting in the Pacific and need to get to the Atlantic or Gulf. Panama Canal is about the only logical option. Now you are back logging the worlds largest canal. Now, we a slower canal. This is causing travel time to rise. By the time vessels get through they could have sat in the Atlantic.
Like I have been saying. This is not a flip of the switch fix. Unless you are in the pits of hell it’s hard to understand. I’m on the paper pushing side and do not fully understand it all.
ETA: ignore the grammar. I’m on break and can’t fix it
I'm sorry, I can't imagine working in that industry right now. Consumers just need to adjusted expectations and redefine what we 'need'.
What are your thoughts on redirecting shipping to containers to FL? The FL governor is trying to say he's saving Christmas by offering our ports in FL to receive ships, but I feel like it's not that simple or even helpful. But I don't know.
I think he and Abbot are idiots who have no business running a state.
With that said neither TX not FL can be the saving Grace. The amount of volume going through CA is unbelievable. Sure it can lessen the load. At the end of the day neither state has ports that can handle that amount of volume. They will eventually have a bigger backlog. I don’t for one second believe neither state has had port issues during the pandemic like they have claimed. I have insider knowledge that says otherwise. Hell, I have containers sitting waiting to rail in MIA. I think we would be shifting the backlog to make it appear something was done.
Also, think about logistics. Most of the vessels are sitting in the Pacific and need to get to the Atlantic or Gulf. Panama Canal is about the only logical option. Now you are back logging the worlds largest canal. Now, we a slower canal. This is causing travel time to rise. By the time vessels get through they could have sat in the Atlantic.
Like I have been saying. This is not a flip of the switch fix. Unless you are in the pits of hell it’s hard to understand. I’m on the paper pushing side and do not fully understand it all.
ETA: ignore the grammar. I’m on break and can’t fix it
Savannah is backed up, and that would be super easy to route to Miami if Miami was as open and bored as they are claiming. 🙄
I think he and Abbot are idiots who have no business running a state.
With that said neither TX not FL can be the saving Grace. The amount of volume going through CA is unbelievable. Sure it can lessen the load. At the end of the day neither state has ports that can handle that amount of volume. They will eventually have a bigger backlog. I don’t for one second believe neither state has had port issues during the pandemic like they have claimed. I have insider knowledge that says otherwise. Hell, I have containers sitting waiting to rail in MIA. I think we would be shifting the backlog to make it appear something was done.
Also, think about logistics. Most of the vessels are sitting in the Pacific and need to get to the Atlantic or Gulf. Panama Canal is about the only logical option. Now you are back logging the worlds largest canal. Now, we a slower canal. This is causing travel time to rise. By the time vessels get through they could have sat in the Atlantic.
Like I have been saying. This is not a flip of the switch fix. Unless you are in the pits of hell it’s hard to understand. I’m on the paper pushing side and do not fully understand it all.
ETA: ignore the grammar. I’m on break and can’t fix it
Savannah is backed up, and that would be super easy to route to Miami if Miami was as open and bored as they are claiming. 🙄
We aren’t talking about SAV. You can’t make me. I’m not doing it.
Savannah is backed up, and that would be super easy to route to Miami if Miami was as open and bored as they are claiming. 🙄
We aren’t talking about SAV. You can’t make me. I’m not doing it.
:runs and hides: 😭😭😭😭😭
I’m only laughing because I have many thousands of pounds of material that they swear are at one of these ports, and they are totally going to get it to me soon. I’ve been hearing that since July.
If we have another Texas freeze, I’ve been telling my boss I’m going to go become an accountant.
Savannah is backed up, and that would be super easy to route to Miami if Miami was as open and bored as they are claiming. 🙄
We aren’t talking about SAV. You can’t make me. I’m not doing it.
:runs and hides: 😭😭😭😭😭
ETA: this post is keeping me from the job that is already backlogged 🤣
Seriously.. I have a vessel ETA to port 11/4. It’s new ETA is 12/18 via SAV. Containers I’m expecting were due to rail 11/6 ETD ATL was 11/8. It no longer has an ETD. I have containers sitting for 6 weeks going to HSV via rail from SAV. Santos is a liar who wants to look good. He looks like slime and talks a lot of shit
We aren’t talking about SAV. You can’t make me. I’m not doing it.
:runs and hides: 😭😭😭😭😭
I’m only laughing because I have many thousands of pounds of material that they swear are at one of these ports, and they are totally going to get it to me soon. I’ve been hearing that since July.
If we have another Texas freeze, I’ve been telling my boss I’m going to go become an accountant.
Fun story- I was let go from my accounting role at the beginning of the pandemic. I worked in logistics. I swapped gears and came over to the logistical side. So don’t go accounting. Lol
I’m only laughing because I have many thousands of pounds of material that they swear are at one of these ports, and they are totally going to get it to me soon. I’ve been hearing that since July.
If we have another Texas freeze, I’ve been telling my boss I’m going to go become an accountant.
Fun story- I was let go from my accounting role at the beginning of the pandemic. I worked in logistics. I swapped gears and came over to the logistical side. So don’t go accounting. Lol
Hilariously, before all hell broke loose I was looking at taking supply chain management certification classes from GA Tech, since I want to get out of sales and that seemed like a good skill transition.
Fun story- I was let go from my accounting role at the beginning of the pandemic. I worked in logistics. I swapped gears and came over to the logistical side. So don’t go accounting. Lol
Hilariously, before all hell broke loose I was looking at taking supply chain management certification classes from GA Tech, since I want to get out of sales and that seemed like a good skill transition.
I work in HVAC (boilers and furnaces) and we are not quoting lead times at this point.
I'm a project manager for a HVAC/Plumbing contractor (so, the purchasing/installing end of the industry). If I do get lead times quoted, it's minimum 32 weeks for equipment. And no one is holding pricing for more than 15 days. I've never seen anything like this and I've been in this field for 21 years.
I mean, crazy thought, but maybe we just need to collectively adjust our expectations about how easy it is to get stuff. Only order what we NEED, buy local, wait on the things that can wait. If we all do this, maybe the important things (different for everybody) will get through and they can clear the jam.
That's all well and good. However, I've seen messaging from multiple retailers that if you see something that you intend to buy, place your order now, so that you can get into the queue.
I think this goes back to what VillainV said of the difference between want and need. I would take it a step farther to American consumerism, and another step farther that people were buying more stuff do to being in lock downs and being cautious as opposed to travel and crowded entertainment. Also, I think there is an attitude maybe from Amazon and other shipping type retailers, and certainly from the pandemic of oh let's just have that shipped here as opposed to finding something local. And I know the reasons why and certainly utilized it. But there is no reason why we can't collectively slow our roll a bit. But honestly I expect Christmas shopping to make everything worse.
I don't think there is anything wrong with getting on a list for things that are necessary and essential. But I am not really going to be seeking that our for non essential shopping.
Post by Wines Not Whines on Nov 9, 2021 16:21:49 GMT -5
This is really random. I’m running a race on Saturday, and they just said the medals are stuck at the port in CA so they won’t have them in time. So add race medals to the list.
mysteriouswife I am so sorry to add more stress to your plate. You explain this more clearly and helpfully than any media outlet that I have come across (and as a journalism major, I love the media—I am not one to critique them). What a cluster! Thank you for all you do!
VillainV I hope my post didn’t come across like I think someone owes consumers (like me) a fix! I am more concerned about the ongoing impact on small businesses (and large) and any associated unemployment surge or recession that could happen if the normal flow of business operations stay disrupted for a long period of time.
mysteriouswife I am so sorry to add more stress to your plate. You explain this more clearly and helpfully than any media outlet that I have come across (and as a journalism major, I love the media—I am not one to critique them). What a cluster! Thank you for all you do!
VillainV I hope my post didn’t come across like I think someone owes consumers (like me) a fix! I am more concerned about the ongoing impact on small businesses (and large) and any associated unemployment surge or recession that could happen if the normal flow of business operations stay disrupted for a long period of time.
No, it didn’t come across like that at all! I was deployed to a military base in the middle of the Sahel for the first half of the year, and we are at the very tail end of the supply chain. Every single thing we needed had to be driven by truck from a port a 14-day drive away (weather permitting) or fly in on our one cargo plane every month. We could get Amazon and care packages from the states, but it took 3-12 weeks. Stuff coming through the port took 6-12 months. And because we were guests there, we had to carefully consider the life cycle and disposition of everything we brought in. It was a crash-course in logistics for me, albeit on a small scale. It really made me think a lot more carefully about the process stuff takes to get to me and has reduced my consumption.
Another big thing that the pandemic highlighted to me is that a lot of our economy is built on exploiting people — whether they are underpaid factory workers on the other side of the globe, Amazon warehouse workers who are forced to pee in bottles, or even people who work at small businesses local to me who aren’t paid a living wage (and whose employers balk against raising minimum wage). If businesses have built their business models around exploiting people, maybe those businesses need a little bit of pressure to change their business models. I’m okay with that.
Post by SusanBAnthony on Nov 9, 2021 17:11:32 GMT -5
We had something funny happen last week. (It wasn't actually funny).
First a supplier had to shut down their plant because they couldn't get raw materials.
Then they sent us the glue from another plant. Except they messed up and sent the whole wrong glue.
Then we had to stop all of our production because we were out of glue.
Then they put the right glue on a truck which took awhile just to arrange because of trucker shortages.
Then we arranged production schedules based on the ETA of the truck o' glue. It was supposed to arrive at midnight so we called 3rd shift in.
Then the driver ran out of driving hours 30 minutes from the plant. And refused to let us drive down and get enough glue to last til morning.
He slept for his required hours and showed up at 6 am.
And we backordered thousands of product due to shutting down for days waiting for glue, and all those customers have to be called and rescheduled and they are all pissed.
The end.
Except for every thing you buy, they dealt with that every day for months on end and meanwhile customers are screaming louder and louder when it isn't perfect or it backorders again or whatever.
Seriously people if you don't NEED it or you can wait a year just wait.
Post by exploding people on Nov 9, 2021 17:44:11 GMT -5
This is incredibly random, but I style for Stitch Fix part time and they're dealing with the same issues. If you're a client and have been disappointed in your Fixes lately or feel like everything is all kind of the same, or never get the things you're requesting, it's because stylists have so little to choose from right now. Especially pants! No pants for anybody.
This is incredibly random, but I style for Stitch Fix part time and they're dealing with the same issues. If you're a client and have been disappointed in your Fixes lately or feel like everything is all kind of the same, or never get the things you're requesting, it's because stylists have so little to choose from right now. Especially pants! No pants for anybody.
Clothing was covered a million pages back. It’s so bad right now. I know for sure there are some shoes sitting in the Pacific begging to get on some feet right now. Lol
This is incredibly random, but I style for Stitch Fix part time and they're dealing with the same issues. If you're a client and have been disappointed in your Fixes lately or feel like everything is all kind of the same, or never get the things you're requesting, it's because stylists have so little to choose from right now. Especially pants! No pants for anybody.
Clothing was covered a million pages back. It’s so bad right now. I know for sure there are some shoes sitting in the Pacific begging to get on some feet right now. Lol
Yeah, I know it's been covered, I guess I just needed to reiterate and also vent? lol. Sorry, random angry clients, we are also running out of stuff! Maybe switch to monthly Fixes instead of weekly? /cry
Clothing was covered a million pages back. It’s so bad right now. I know for sure there are some shoes sitting in the Pacific begging to get on some feet right now. Lol
Yeah, I know it's been covered, I guess I just needed to reiterate and also vent? lol. Sorry, random angry clients, we are also running out of stuff! Maybe switch to monthly Fixes instead of weekly? /cry
DD is in choir and needs black pants for a performance next month. They can’t be jeggings, jeans, or joggers. I’m like um….you are going to need to loosen the requirements. It’s elementary school. Black shoes are proving impossible, too.
Anyways thanks to all that are continuing to take explaining the issues. I am so sorry for those that are truly impacted by this in their jobs.
This is incredibly random, but I style for Stitch Fix part time and they're dealing with the same issues. If you're a client and have been disappointed in your Fixes lately or feel like everything is all kind of the same, or never get the things you're requesting, it's because stylists have so little to choose from right now. Especially pants! No pants for anybody.
This is good to know because I ordered a fix maybe a month ago and it was total crap. I returned the whole thing. Glad to know it wasn't my stylist.
Clothing was covered a million pages back. It’s so bad right now. I know for sure there are some shoes sitting in the Pacific begging to get on some feet right now. Lol
Yeah, I know it's been covered, I guess I just needed to reiterate and also vent? lol. Sorry, random angry clients, we are also running out of stuff! Maybe switch to monthly Fixes instead of weekly? /cry
Clothing was covered a million pages back. It’s so bad right now. I know for sure there are some shoes sitting in the Pacific begging to get on some feet right now. Lol
Sounds like we work in the same industry. Today's count of vessels at anchor outside of Long Beach terminals is 96/ For a while we were being told it would be cleared up by the end of 2022.... now they are estimating 2 years to fix the backlog. It's absolutely crazy. There is no easy fix.
SAV isn’t looking much better. I don’t have exact numbers, but it’s bad