TW @: Uvalde School Shooting 5/24/22

[StrawberryBlondie]

May 27, 2022 17:04:50 GMT -5 @villainv said:

May 27, 2022 16:33:48 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

We are all about to get a lesson on how little accountability there is for this profession. 

Even if not held criminally liable, I bet it’s possible to sue in a civil court.

The bar to get past qualified immunity is pretty high.

[cous0226]

Have I watched too many crime shows? Can’t you just shoot through a lock at the door or is better to just walk around the hallways looking for someone with a key? None of this makes any sense.

[TamiTaylor]

May 27, 2022 17:10:47 GMT -5 StrawberryBlondie said:

May 27, 2022 17:04:50 GMT -5 @villainv said:

Even if not held criminally liable, I bet it’s possible to sue in a civil court.

The bar to get past qualified immunity is pretty high.

Would standing around for 48 minutes doing NOTHING in the hallway (aprprox. 90 mins total) not qualify?

[StrawberryBlondie]

May 27, 2022 17:31:20 GMT -5 TamiTaylor said:

May 27, 2022 17:10:47 GMT -5 StrawberryBlondie said:

The bar to get past qualified immunity is pretty high.

Would standing around for 48 minutes doing NOTHING in the hallway (aprprox. 90 mins total) not qualify?

The plaintiff would have to establish they violated "clearly established statutory or constitutional rights of which a reasonable person would have known."

Given that it's pretty well-settled precedent that police don't have to do a g-d thing, I honestly doubt it.

Unless Texas law specifically says something different.

[Captain Catnip]

May 27, 2022 17:34:28 GMT -5 StrawberryBlondie said:

May 27, 2022 17:31:20 GMT -5 TamiTaylor said:

Would standing around for 48 minutes doing NOTHING in the hallway (aprprox. 90 mins total) not qualify?

The plaintiff would have to establish they violated "clearly established statutory or constitutional rights of which a reasonable person would have known."

Given that it's pretty well-settled precedent that police don't have to do a g-d thing, I honestly doubt it.

Unless Texas law specifically says something different.

" well they did rescue some kids! See?! They did something! "

(referring to their own)

[NewOrleans]

DT read the names of the children at the convention. Keep their names out of all your filthy FUCKING MOUTHS

[mbcdefg]

May 27, 2022 15:56:08 GMT -5 tacokick said:

I think a lot of it comes down to the police thinking their job is about controlling the public and blunt enforcement of laws and norms rather than helping people and they don’t have the interest or skills to actually engage in the world properly.

That’s pretty much the story of our country, and a lot of not-White people have been saying this for a very, very long time.

[tacokick]

May 27, 2022 18:39:42 GMT -5 mbcdefg said:

May 27, 2022 15:56:08 GMT -5 tacokick said:

I think a lot of it comes down to the police thinking their job is about controlling the public and blunt enforcement of laws and norms rather than helping people and they don’t have the interest or skills to actually engage in the world properly.

That’s pretty much the story of our country, and a lot of not-White people have been saying this for a very, very long time.

Exactly! I was never taught the police was our friend or to trust them in an emergency but it’s clear many people are just now getting the message. I wish it wasn’t through this that people are catching up but it’s where we are.

[isabel]

May 27, 2022 17:05:41 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

Rapid response, not perimeter, was the takeaway from Columbine.

23 fucking years ago.

[isabel]

May 27, 2022 17:31:20 GMT -5 TamiTaylor said:

May 27, 2022 17:10:47 GMT -5 StrawberryBlondie said:

The bar to get past qualified immunity is pretty high.

Would standing around for 48 minutes doing NOTHING in the hallway (aprprox. 90 mins total) not qualify?

They weren’t doing nothing. They were handcuffing the parents of children being gunned down.

[Patsy Baloney]

I hope these officers are blessed with long, healthy lives and every moment is tortured with guilt.

Fuck. The. Police.

[isabel]

I just read statements from the families. My God. I can’t stop crying.

[underwaterrhymes]

This was such an epic failure on so many levels. From the moment an 18-year old was able to purchase an AR-15 with over 1,000 bullets to the cops standing around doing (at best) absolutely nothing and at worst actively restraining parents and perhaps shooting into a room with children who were still alive, we have proven that we are among the worst countries in existence.

[dulcemariamar]

May 27, 2022 20:27:02 GMT -5 isabel said:

I just read statements from the families. My God. I can’t stop crying.

Where did you read it?

[isabel]

May 27, 2022 20:52:13 GMT -5 dulcemariamar said:

May 27, 2022 20:27:02 GMT -5 isabel said:

I just read statements from the families. My God. I can’t stop crying.

Where did you read it?

NPR’s latest Instagram post. Just brief statements from the families.

[dulcemariamar]

So people with guns and training and experience don’t actually have to save terrified kids from a school shooter but the public basically expects teachers to sacrifice themselves to save their kids.

I get it. We can’t trust teachers to teach but they have be human shields while the police just sits back and wait. That makes perfect sense. And all the while, teachers get paid basically an unlivable wage

[underwaterrhymes]

And I’m just going to say it: the reason those fucking police waited around is because these kids were predominantly brown.

[erbear]

May 27, 2022 21:14:07 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

And I’m just going to say it: the reason those fucking police waited around is because these kids were predominantly brown.

I think I agree. Which is so depressing that I haven’t let myself go there. But I think you’re right.

[Deleted]

Wanna get even more angry? The cops and Mayor called in law enforcement from around the state today to help protect...themselves.

[pinkdutchtulips]

May 27, 2022 21:14:07 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

And I’m just going to say it: the reason those fucking police waited around is because these kids were predominantly brown.

I’ve been thinking the same thing … delayed response bc brown lives are ‘expendable’ which pisses me off

[jlt19]

May 27, 2022 21:14:07 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

And I’m just going to say it: the reason those fucking police waited around is because these kids were predominantly brown.

Honest question, because I haven’t seen any pictures, but were most of the police white?

I guess I just assumed since it was a small town, that the police force would be similar to the school in terms of racial breakdown.

[pugz]

I have never experienced this level of rage in my entire life.

[taratru]

May 27, 2022 16:16:10 GMT -5 TamiTaylor said:

Can there be criminal liability for the officers?

Can they be put in front of the parents? Of the children in that room who survived?

[TamiTaylor]

May 27, 2022 22:01:01 GMT -5 jlt19 said:

May 27, 2022 21:14:07 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

And I’m just going to say it: the reason those fucking police waited around is because these kids were predominantly brown.

Honest question, because I haven’t seen any pictures, but were most of the police white?

I guess I just assumed since it was a small town, that the police force would be similar to the school in terms of racial breakdown.

I haven’t seen the racial makeup of their police department when I have looked online. Their police chief is Hispanic. The town has a large Hispanic population.

[cherry1111]

So are they willing to admit that the answer isn’t armed security/police at every school yet? Here’s proof they won’t do shit.

[suburbanzookeeper]

May 27, 2022 23:50:25 GMT -5 TamiTaylor said:

May 27, 2022 22:01:01 GMT -5 jlt19 said:

Honest question, because I haven’t seen any pictures, but were most of the police white?

I guess I just assumed since it was a small town, that the police force would be similar to the school in terms of racial breakdown.

I haven’t seen the racial makeup of their police department when I have looked online. Their police chief is Hispanic. The town has a large Hispanic population.

The school district police were all POC: www.facebook.com/UvaldeCISD/photos/a.623510491015351/5405696116130074/ 

[lea]

One of the deputy sheriff’s children was a victim and others had children in the school so while I’m not discounting racism, I think it could have been just incompetence.

[underwaterrhymes]

May 27, 2022 22:01:01 GMT -5 jlt19 said:

May 27, 2022 21:14:07 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

And I’m just going to say it: the reason those fucking police waited around is because these kids were predominantly brown.

Honest question, because I haven’t seen any pictures, but were most of the police white?

I guess I just assumed since it was a small town, that the police force would be similar to the school in terms of racial breakdown.

I made an assumption about the police force based on the all white men shouting down Beto and the endemic racism we have in this country. It’s clear these children were deemed expendable.

[Deleted]

May 28, 2022 6:44:27 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

May 27, 2022 22:01:01 GMT -5 jlt19 said:

Honest question, because I haven’t seen any pictures, but were most of the police white?

I guess I just assumed since it was a small town, that the police force would be similar to the school in terms of racial breakdown.

I made an assumption about the police force based on the all white men shouting down Beto and the endemic racism we have in this country. It’s clear these children were deemed expendable.

Wait for it, because those white men are about to make this police department their scapegoat. The problem, they will say, isn’t guns or doors. In fact, they will say, there’s no systemic problem at all. They’re going to say that those 19 kids and 2 teachers are dead because this one small police department was incompetent and botched their response. I wouldn’t put it past them to blame it on these men being Hispanic.

While I agree that they botched it and need to be held accountable (in a big, DOJ-level way), the big systemic problem is that civilians are allowed guns so powerful that a team of well-armed police can’t take down one person with assault rifles. But the right will not admit it.

[underwaterrhymes]

May 28, 2022 7:02:47 GMT -5 @villainv said:

May 28, 2022 6:44:27 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

I made an assumption about the police force based on the all white men shouting down Beto and the endemic racism we have in this country. It’s clear these children were deemed expendable.

Wait for it, because those white men are about to make this police department their scapegoat. The problem, they will say, isn’t guns or doors. In fact, they will say, there’s no systemic problem at all. They’re going to say that those 19 kids and 2 teachers are dead because this one small police department was incompetent and botched their response. I wouldn’t put it past them to blame it on these men being Hispanic.

While I agree that they botched it and need to be held accountable (in a big, DOJ-level way), the big systemic problem is that civilians are allowed guns so powerful that a team of well-armed police can’t take down one person with assault rifles. But the right will not admit it.

I agree 100% with this.

We have a huge problem in this country on so many levels.