TW @: Uvalde School Shooting 5/24/22

[estrellita]

Those live drills sound absolutely terrifying. I don't understand how anyone could possibly think that's a good idea. Just.. no. My kids would be absolutely traumatized 😟

[hermione]

In every active shooter situation at a school, kids have called parents. So in an unannounced drill, wouldn’t kids be calling parents to say there’s a shooter? And wouldn’t parents then be racing to the school? Outside of the significant mental trauma for all involved, this is a recipe for disaster.

[lea]

The GOP just really likes to torment people.

[karinothing]

Jun 8, 2022 18:22:26 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

I cannot imagine that any law-enforcement agency is on board with an unannounced active shooter drill. It puts them in danger as well. These drills, they’re not just the schools involved in them, they’re generally all area police agencies, 911 dispatchers, other service providers like the hospital. It’s a huge thing to even do them when they are announced Then again, who knows in this world. There is no way I would be OK with myself or my kids being involved in a drill where no one knows if it’s real of fake. And it seems like it would put people in jeopardy because they might think a real situation is actually the drill. 🤦‍♀️ what the fuck is wrong with Abbott?

Back when ds1 was in daycare he went to daycare in a federal building. They did this. The police were called. We got a call from daycare that there was an active shooter (because daycare had no idea until police swarmed their building). I can still remember calling dh terrified. He was in DC and basically ran out of a meeting immediately. Luckily it was all a drill but I still feel like it was a traumatic event and I vividly remember it and it's been lile 8 years.

[arehopsveggies]

Even just the planned ALICE training at school was very upsetting for me. I was not ok that night. I don’t think an unplanned drill sounds bearable, and with students present… oh my goodness. I know my own child would be a mess.
I might need a new career

[suzubell]

I have participated in one of those drills but it was known. It was terrifying. What is wrong with these people.

[macmars45]

Jun 8, 2022 18:52:40 GMT -5 estrellita said:

Those live drills sound absolutely terrifying. I don't understand how anyone could possibly think that's a good idea. Just.. no. My kids would be absolutely traumatized 😟

When I volunteered in my mom's kinder class (13 years ago) her school did this. It was fucking terrifying. I was trying to calm sobbing 5 year olds and not cry myself. Only the principal knew it wasn't real. I'm thankful it was 'only' in reference to a shooter in the area, not one in the school. It was so traumatizing.

[sequins]

I can't believe that Congress needs to hear the graphic descriptions of the victims' bodies or from a survivor (a child) to do something. The subsequent calls on twitter for releasing pictures to "shock" sense into politicians are making me physically sick. How much lower will we stoop as a country

[sofamonkey]

Video games desensitize children to violence, but somehow active shooter drills are fine? Fucking hell.

[estrellita]

Jun 8, 2022 20:46:44 GMT -5 macmars45 said:

Jun 8, 2022 18:52:40 GMT -5 estrellita said:

Those live drills sound absolutely terrifying. I don't understand how anyone could possibly think that's a good idea. Just.. no. My kids would be absolutely traumatized 😟

When I volunteered in my mom's kinder class (13 years ago) her school did this. It was fucking terrifying. I was trying to calm sobbing 5 year olds and not cry myself. Only the principal knew it wasn't real. I'm thankful it was 'only' in reference to a shooter in the area, not one in the school. It was so traumatizing.

Omg. I'm so sorry to those of you that have been through this. To think it's real even for a second has to be one of the worst feelings ever. I can't imagine. This is not ok.

[bernsteincat]

Our school is really pretty good about making sure teachers know of scheduled lockdown drills and send email reminders the morning of. But one time, someone burned popcorn in an office microwave which set off the fire alarms.

Our policy is now to go into immediate lockdown when fire alarms go off so the threat can be assessed. So when that UNANNOUNCED alarm happened, I was shocked by how quick I went into panic mode. I am generally an easy going person, but when I didn’t know what was happening, my students told me my teacher voice got real serious, real quick and they didn’t know what was going on. In our lockdown scenarios, my kids go to the corner of the room, but I always stand by the door with my hand on it so I consciously project an image of me standing in between them and whatever is happening outside. I remember grabbing my water bottle, which I would never do for a drill, because I a trooper or someone saying it could effectively be used as a blunt force object when it was full. I also had the thought, “Well, you idiot, you didn’t grab your phone. How are you going to contact your husband who is ALSO a teacher in the building to see what is going on?”

I mean… all of that because of popcorn. What are we doing to our teachers and students?

[sent]

Jun 8, 2022 18:22:26 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

I cannot imagine that any law-enforcement agency is on board with an unannounced active shooter drill. It puts them in danger as well. These drills, they’re not just the schools involved in them, they’re generally all area police agencies, 911 dispatchers, other service providers like the hospital. 

This sounds like an enormous waste of resources that might be needed for a real emergency happening at that moment elsewhere in the community. 

How about someone subject him to an unannounced drill and we (as in the whole wide world) then get to watch the video to see how he reacts.

I'm very sorry for all you that had to experience such a traumatic drill like this. 

[sonrisa]

You know who needs an unannounced "drill?" Any fuckers in positions of power who could use a fucking wake up call about what their actions/inactions lead to - republican governors and legislators, and any Supreme Court justices who would undermine reasonable laws.

You can miss me with traumatizing 5 year olds rather than enacting the common sense regulations so many other countries have.

[fernweh]

Jun 8, 2022 22:16:45 GMT -5 bernsteincat said:

Our school is really pretty good about making sure teachers know of scheduled lockdown drills and send email reminders the morning of. But one time, someone burned popcorn in an office microwave which set off the fire alarms.

Our policy is now to go into immediate lockdown when fire alarms go off so the threat can be assessed. So when that UNANNOUNCED alarm happened, I was shocked by how quick I went into panic mode. I am generally an easy going person, but when I didn’t know what was happening, my students told me my teacher voice got real serious, real quick and they didn’t know what was going on. In our lockdown scenarios, my kids go to the corner of the room, but I always stand by the door with my hand on it so I consciously project an image of me standing in between them and whatever is happening outside. I remember grabbing my water bottle, which I would never do for a drill, because I a trooper or someone saying it could effectively be used as a blunt force object when it was full. I also had the thought, “Well, you idiot, you didn’t grab your phone. How are you going to contact your husband who is ALSO a teacher in the building to see what is going on?”

I mean… all of that because of popcorn. What are we doing to our teachers and students?

Wait.. your building locks down if there is a fire alarm? Wouldn’t that be unsafe if it were an actual fire?

I don’t want to detract from your experience, I’m sure it was terrifying but now I’m concern kids will go a try and hide when there is a fire. I hope I’m just miss understanding.

[mcppalmbeach]

Just the stories Of these drills feels traumatizing to me. I am so sorry for those of you who have to teach through this and for all of our children.

[suzubell]

Jun 9, 2022 3:39:39 GMT -5 fernweh said:

Jun 8, 2022 22:16:45 GMT -5 bernsteincat said:

Our school is really pretty good about making sure teachers know of scheduled lockdown drills and send email reminders the morning of. But one time, someone burned popcorn in an office microwave which set off the fire alarms.

Our policy is now to go into immediate lockdown when fire alarms go off so the threat can be assessed. So when that UNANNOUNCED alarm happened, I was shocked by how quick I went into panic mode. I am generally an easy going person, but when I didn’t know what was happening, my students told me my teacher voice got real serious, real quick and they didn’t know what was going on. In our lockdown scenarios, my kids go to the corner of the room, but I always stand by the door with my hand on it so I consciously project an image of me standing in between them and whatever is happening outside. I remember grabbing my water bottle, which I would never do for a drill, because I a trooper or someone saying it could effectively be used as a blunt force object when it was full. I also had the thought, “Well, you idiot, you didn’t grab your phone. How are you going to contact your husband who is ALSO a teacher in the building to see what is going on?”

I mean… all of that because of popcorn. What are we doing to our teachers and students?

Wait.. your building locks down if there is a fire alarm? Wouldn’t that be unsafe if it were an actual fire?

I don’t want to detract from your experience, I’m sure it was terrifying but now I’m concern kids will go a try and hide when there is a fire. I hope I’m just miss understanding.

There have been situations where the fire alarm has been pulled to cause chaos and have students leave the room. It’s so hard to know what to do as an educator.

[fernweh]

I’m sorry. I hope my comment didn’t come off as judgemental. I know it’s an impossible choice. I just fucking hate that we are in a place in this country that when a fire alarm goes off the instinct (or maybe direct plan, I don’t know) is to lockdown and not evacuate.

[Bad Dingo]

www.axios.com/2022/06/08/house-passes-gun-control-package?stream=top&utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=alerts_all

I don't understand why the Senate is trying to negotiate, it's not going to work. They can make an exception so they don't need to have 60 votes, just DO SOMETHING.

[bernsteincat]

Jun 9, 2022 5:48:00 GMT -5 fernweh said:

I’m sorry. I hope my comment didn’t come off as judgemental. I know it’s an impossible choice. I just fucking hate that we are in a place in this country that when a fire alarm goes off the instinct (or maybe direct plan, I don’t know) is to lockdown and not evacuate.

It is an impossible choice. The idea is that when an alarm is pulled, all of the doors in that separate hallways automatically release and close. The doors in the school are fire retardant, so the procedure is everyone get in a classroom, all doors are shut (including hallways) and an admin team immediately goes to the alarm that was triggered or pulled to assess the situation. You can basically be anywhere in our building in under 20 seconds, so if there IS a fire, people can still be evacuated quickly.

Now, obviously if folks are in the area where they SEE a fire, they are not expected to shelter; they’re to get the hell out. But I think it makes sense for the rest of the building because of the reason mentioned above. Same thing for bomb threats. When I was un HS, those happened on the regular and we would evacuate to the MS, or to the baseball field, or whatever. But then somewhere, that procedure led to a school shooting, so they changed it to where everyone locked down and teachers were supposed to look for any suspicious activity or bags until the bomb squad from the military base could get there.

It’s all so dystopian when you type it out.

[RoxMonster]

Oh my gosh, I can't even imagine an unannounced drill that I thought was real. Our ALICE drills when I was a teacher were announced and even then, I had a panic attack in my room during one. It was my prep period, so I was alone at least, but between the police yelling outside my door and trying to get in through my locked door and seeing out my windows students of mine running outside with their hands above their heads, I just lost it. I started sobbing and couldn't breathe. I can't believe this is where we are as a country, that this is a normal part of school.

[shauni27]

the details you guys are sharing of these active shooter drills has me in tears at my desk. The thought that anyone has to go through that is too much.

[bernsteincat]

Jun 9, 2022 7:18:38 GMT -5 RoxMonster said:

Oh my gosh, I can't even imagine an unannounced drill that I thought was real. Our ALICE drills when I was a teacher were announced and even then, I had a panic attack in my room during one. It was my prep period, so I was alone at least, but between the police yelling outside my door and trying to get in through my locked door and seeing out my windows students of mine running outside with their hands above their heads, I just lost it. I started sobbing and couldn't breathe. I can't believe this is where we are as a country, that this is a normal part of school.

I guess I should be thankful (and I am) that our live shooter training was just teachers and staff before school started for the year. I cannot imagine having to go through that with students, especially younger ones. I’m sorry that you had to go through that experience.

[secretagent]

Jun 9, 2022 7:18:38 GMT -5 RoxMonster said:

Oh my gosh, I can't even imagine an unannounced drill that I thought was real. Our ALICE drills when I was a teacher were announced and even then, I had a panic attack in my room during one. It was my prep period, so I was alone at least, but between the police yelling outside my door and trying to get in through my locked door and seeing out my windows students of mine running outside with their hands above their heads, I just lost it. I started sobbing and couldn't breathe. I can't believe this is where we are as a country, that this is a normal part of school.

I've never heard of an ALICE drill before but the idea of students practicing running outside with hands over their heads. I'm crying. WTF are we doing. 

[NewOrleans]

While ALICE is isn’t the same as live shooter simulation being described, they are sometimes used together. So I’m putting this here. You will be horrified at the asshole men who developed ALICE and at the huge business of it. Corporations profit off of this terror. They want it to continue. It’s disgusting. “I’m not scared— I’m prepared” training manuals for kids.

www.thetrace.org/2019/12/alice-active-shooter-training-school-safety/

and it’s not informed by research.

www.schoolsecurity.org/2012/11/5-alice-training-myths-students-attacking-armed-intruders/

[TamiTaylor]

Jun 9, 2022 3:39:39 GMT -5 fernweh said:

Jun 8, 2022 22:16:45 GMT -5 bernsteincat said:

Our school is really pretty good about making sure teachers know of scheduled lockdown drills and send email reminders the morning of. But one time, someone burned popcorn in an office microwave which set off the fire alarms.

Our policy is now to go into immediate lockdown when fire alarms go off so the threat can be assessed. So when that UNANNOUNCED alarm happened, I was shocked by how quick I went into panic mode. I am generally an easy going person, but when I didn’t know what was happening, my students told me my teacher voice got real serious, real quick and they didn’t know what was going on. In our lockdown scenarios, my kids go to the corner of the room, but I always stand by the door with my hand on it so I consciously project an image of me standing in between them and whatever is happening outside. I remember grabbing my water bottle, which I would never do for a drill, because I a trooper or someone saying it could effectively be used as a blunt force object when it was full. I also had the thought, “Well, you idiot, you didn’t grab your phone. How are you going to contact your husband who is ALSO a teacher in the building to see what is going on?”

I mean… all of that because of popcorn. What are we doing to our teachers and students?

Wait.. your building locks down if there is a fire alarm? Wouldn’t that be unsafe if it were an actual fire?

I don’t want to detract from your experience, I’m sure it was terrifying but now I’m concern kids will go a try and hide when there is a fire. I hope I’m just miss understanding.

This is similar to our protocol. We know in advance when we have a fire drill schedule. So if we do not have a scheduled one and an alarm goes off if we do not see or smell smoke/fire then we do not evacuate. This change was made after Parkland when he used the fire alarm to lure them out.

[NewOrleans]

omfg. At least one child was alive when rushed to the hospital but died on the way. They could have saved him if they’d entered. One of the teachers who died was alive and called her husband, a school cop, that she’d been shot. They were alive and died because of these cowards. Too dangerous for good guys with long guns, but not too dangerous for honor roll students.  There is no fucking bottom.


Heavily armed officers delayed confronting a gunman in Uvalde, Texas, for more than an hour despite supervisors at the scene being told that some trapped with him in two elementary school classrooms were in need of medical treatment, a new review of video footage and other investigative material shows. Instead, the documents show, they waited for protective equipment to lower the risk to law enforcement officers.

Among the revelations in the documents: The gunman had a “hellfire” trigger device meant to allow a semiautomatic AR-15-style rifle to be fired more like an automatic weapon; some of the officers who first arrived at the school had long guns, more firepower than previously known; and Chief Arredondo learned the gunman’s identity while inside the school and attempted in vain to communicate with him by name through the closed classroom doors.

www.nytimes.com/2022/06/09/us/uvalde-shooting-police-response.html

[TamiTaylor]

So the MAGAS and the GOP want teachers who didn’t sign up to be in a fire fight to take down would be gunman but the police who signed up to be in the line of duty and HAVE TRAINING get to wait for protective equipment and delay going in. YOU SIGNED UP TO BE THE “GOOD GUY WITH A GUN.”

[seeyalater52]

Yesterday and today’s news is gutting me all over again.

I know most of you have been at this a lot longer than I have, but my 20 month old had his first lockdown shooter drill at daycare today and I’m beside myself. How did we get to this point? How the fuck can we go on like this? It has to change.

[Deleted]

Jun 9, 2022 16:11:26 GMT -5 TamiTaylor said:

So the MAGAS and the GOP want teachers who didn’t sign up to be in a fire fight to take down would be gunman but the police who signed up to be in the line of duty and HAVE TRAINING get to wait for protective equipment and delay going in. YOU SIGNED UP TO BE THE “GOOD GUY WITH A GUN.”

What’s more, a teacher probably WOULD be held liable if they failed to act, while police are not.

[TamiTaylor]

Jun 9, 2022 16:21:24 GMT -5 @villainv said:

Jun 9, 2022 16:11:26 GMT -5 TamiTaylor said:

So the MAGAS and the GOP want teachers who didn’t sign up to be in a fire fight to take down would be gunman but the police who signed up to be in the line of duty and HAVE TRAINING get to wait for protective equipment and delay going in. YOU SIGNED UP TO BE THE “GOOD GUY WITH A GUN.”

What’s more, a teacher probably WOULD be held liable if they failed to act, while police are not.

A 100%. They initially tried to blame the teacher that propped the door open as to how he got in the building. Come to find out that teacher closed the door which is supposed to automatically lock and it failed to do so.