Biden officially announced his campaign

[Velar Fricative]

Apr 26, 2023 9:24:04 GMT -5 mpm said:

The Democrats aren’t reading the room on the age issue and I really hope it doesn’t come back to bite us. Because it IS an issue, and I worry that left-leaning centrists in my parents’ generation (the ones who for years fancied themselves as economic Republicans when it was socially acceptable to do so) will see it as a reason to hold their noses and vote R despite not really agreeing with their current platform. Someone in the media will say it’s better to ignite our democracy on fire domestically than to hand senile grandpa the key to the nukes and a not insignificant number of people will see the election as presenting two shitty options rather than one shitty option.

I’ve thought for awhile that the only way we’ll ever get a first female president will be through a resignation or death. I’d hoped that Biden and his advisors saw that too, and would make it his legacy to give Harris significantly more power and visibility than a typical VP and then use his experience and connections to get the Dems to rally around her so he could pass the torch and make history. I’m probably going to forever be mad this didn’t happen. But again, power is tricky, once you finally get it after thinking you should have had it decades ago it’s hard to let go of, and we’ve trained presidents to think they’re entitled to 8 years, not 4 or less.

I don't deny age is an issue. I guess I look at it differently than, say, RBG or Feinstein because at least if Biden kicks the bucket while in office there isn't a danger of the White House suddenly flipping from blue to red (yes, I know CA is blue but with elections there are just always risks and surprises). I also do feel like Biden is surrounded by people who won't try to prop him up Weekend at Bernie's style if there is a clear cognitive decline down the road either. I know the grasp to power is real and letting go of it is difficult (see also: old people who can no longer drive giving up their drivers' licenses), but I have a lot more faith that it wouldn't be a disaster with Biden as it would be for anyone in the GOP. 

Also, if Trump is the nomination...he himself will be 78 in November 2024, the same age Biden was when he was elected in 2020. I don't see much of a difference between 78 and 82, IMO. Now, if DeSantis or someone way younger gets the nomination, it could be a bigger issue where what you said could happen. 

[Velar Fricative]

Apr 26, 2023 8:59:22 GMT -5 ans1999 said:

The Daily podcast episode about this made me a little more optimistic this morning. The gist is that structurally only 3 states are in play for the presidency- Wisconsin, Georgia and Arizona. Rs have to sweep all 3 to win. Ds need only 1. This might explain why we haven't seen more challenges on the D side. Now again, this assumes Biden doesn't have any significant medical problems between now and election day. 

Then fuck the votes of everyone else in the other 47 states. 

No really though, I will obviously vote because my state has never been in play since I was a child. But this is still so messed up that only three states get to decide who the POTUS will be, even if it's better news for Ds. Fuck the Electoral College lol. 

[hermione]

Apr 26, 2023 10:55:55 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Apr 26, 2023 8:59:22 GMT -5 ans1999 said:

The Daily podcast episode about this made me a little more optimistic this morning. The gist is that structurally only 3 states are in play for the presidency- Wisconsin, Georgia and Arizona. Rs have to sweep all 3 to win. Ds need only 1. This might explain why we haven't seen more challenges on the D side. Now again, this assumes Biden doesn't have any significant medical problems between now and election day. 

Then fuck the votes of everyone else in the other 47 states. 

No really though, I will obviously vote because my state has never been in play since I was a child. But this is still so messed up that only three states get to decide who the POTUS will be, even if it's better news for Ds. Fuck the Electoral College lol. 

What's the reasoning here though? Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania...why are these swing states not in play for 2024?

[Velar Fricative]

Apr 26, 2023 11:38:57 GMT -5 hermione said:

Apr 26, 2023 10:55:55 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Then fuck the votes of everyone else in the other 47 states. 

No really though, I will obviously vote because my state has never been in play since I was a child. But this is still so messed up that only three states get to decide who the POTUS will be, even if it's better news for Ds. Fuck the Electoral College lol. 

What's the reasoning here though? Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania...why are these swing states not in play for 2024?

I guess they're not actually that swingy anymore? I'd still be worried though.

[hermione]

Apr 26, 2023 11:41:25 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Apr 26, 2023 11:38:57 GMT -5 hermione said:

What's the reasoning here though? Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania...why are these swing states not in play for 2024?

I guess they're not actually that swingy anymore? I'd still be worried though.

Nah. Michigan has done some good things lately but there always seems to be the tendency to swing back the other direction. The midterms had abortion on the ballot. Without that, I don't think we'd have been as blue.

[mcsangel2]

Apr 26, 2023 11:38:57 GMT -5 hermione said:

Apr 26, 2023 10:55:55 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Then fuck the votes of everyone else in the other 47 states. 

No really though, I will obviously vote because my state has never been in play since I was a child. But this is still so messed up that only three states get to decide who the POTUS will be, even if it's better news for Ds. Fuck the Electoral College lol. 

What's the reasoning here though? Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania...why are these swing states not in play for 2024?

Because AZ, GA, and WI were the closest. Number of votes Biden won by:

AZ - 10,457
GA - 11,779
WI - 20,682
NV - 33,596
PA - 80,555
MI - 154,188

I live in AZ. OMG we are going to be DROWNED in political ads.

[somersault72]

I've loved Joe ever since he was VP. There's just something about him I find incredibly endearing. Still he was not my pick for 2020. Obviously I voted for him, and I don't think he's done a bad job, but he hasn't wowed me like Obama either. As much as I am happy to have the orange man out of the White House, I'm not thrilled we went back to an old white man. It's getting old. Figuratively and literally. I am one of the naive people who thought he said he was just going to be a 1 term president.

Sigh. I miss being excited about a candidate instead of just terrified of the alternative.

[mpm]

Apr 26, 2023 8:59:22 GMT -5 ans1999 said:

The Daily podcast episode about this made me a little more optimistic this morning. The gist is that structurally only 3 states are in play for the presidency- Wisconsin, Georgia and Arizona. Rs have to sweep all 3 to win. Ds need only 1. This might explain why we haven't seen more challenges on the D side. Now again, this assumes Biden doesn't have any significant medical problems between now and election day. 

This is making me feel a little bad about our plan to try to GTFO of Georgia, which was largely made due to local politics.

[cattledogkisses]

Apr 26, 2023 11:48:22 GMT -5 mcsangel2 said:

Apr 26, 2023 11:38:57 GMT -5 hermione said:

What's the reasoning here though? Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania...why are these swing states not in play for 2024?

Because AZ, GA, and WI were the closest. Number of votes Biden won by:

AZ - 10,457
GA - 11,779
WI - 20,682
NV - 33,596
PA - 80,555
MI - 154,188

I live in AZ. OMG we are going to be DROWNED in political ads.

I don't even live in a state that's at play, and we're already getting DeSantis ads.  *barf*

[Velar Fricative]

Apr 26, 2023 11:51:24 GMT -5 cattledogkisses said:

Apr 26, 2023 11:48:22 GMT -5 mcsangel2 said:

Because AZ, GA, and WI were the closest. Number of votes Biden won by:

AZ - 10,457
GA - 11,779
WI - 20,682
NV - 33,596
PA - 80,555
MI - 154,188

I live in AZ. OMG we are going to be DROWNED in political ads.

I don't even live in a state that's at play, and we're already getting DeSantis ads.  *barf*

Oh, but he's "not a candidate," lol.

Unfortunately he visited my neighborhood a couple of months ago in what was clearly his attempt to start begging for money from wealthy conservative New Yorkers, but I wasn't home. Next time he comes around I want to get a Mickey Mouse costume and wear it. He is obviously running so I think we need to taunt him about Disney forever and ever. #petty

[kath16]

i would definitely still consider PA a swing state. how is it possible for there to be only 3?

like... i, personally, know a bunch of "not Trumpers" who would quickly vote for a different R nominee. that's in additional to the loads of loud and proud Trump/let's go brandon signs that never went down.

[jeaniebueller]

Apr 26, 2023 9:24:04 GMT -5 mpm said:

The Democrats aren’t reading the room on the age issue and I really hope it doesn’t come back to bite us. Because it IS an issue, and I worry that left-leaning centrists in my parents’ generation (the ones who for years fancied themselves as economic Republicans when it was socially acceptable to do so) will see it as a reason to hold their noses and vote R despite not really agreeing with their current platform. Someone in the media will say it’s better to ignite our democracy on fire domestically than to hand senile grandpa the key to the nukes and a not insignificant number of people will see the election as presenting two shitty options rather than one shitty option.

I’ve thought for awhile that the only way we’ll ever get a first female president will be through a resignation or death. I’d hoped that Biden and his advisors saw that too, and would make it his legacy to give Harris significantly more power and visibility than a typical VP and then use his experience and connections to get the Dems to rally around her so he could pass the torch and make history. I’m probably going to forever be mad this didn’t happen. But again, power is tricky, once you finally get it after thinking you should have had it decades ago it’s hard to let go of, and we’ve trained presidents to think they’re entitled to 8 years, not 4 or less.

People who are going to vote for Trump because Biden is too old are not representative of the party and are not the people that dems should cater to, I'm sorry, that is just absurd.

[jeaniebueller]

Apr 26, 2023 9:28:27 GMT -5 mpm said:

Apr 26, 2023 9:10:49 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

What do you think he should do? Other than this board, there is not a national appetite for more covid restrictions. This board is the only place I see in depth discussions about how more should be done for covid. And what do you think he should do on the other issue?

The lack of appetite on covid is 100% the fault of this administration. Public opinion is following the administration’s lead, not the other way around.

What to do? Now, probably nothing. The time to act has long passed. But there was definitely a time when the administration could have done a lot more on covid, and it chose not to.

What is your source on this? Biden wore a mask publicly and so did his staff longer than most of the public. Biden didn't lift the mask mandate for the state of the union until a year ago. Biden's administration is currently fighting to reinstate the mask mandate on planes. Many covid restrictions are in the purview of states and let's face it, the people who were tasked with enforcing it were low wage restaurant or retail workers, school boards, school administrators, public health and many other people who had their lives threatened and were harassed constantly over it the last two years. Noone wants to go back to that.  Gretchen Whitmer lifted Michigan's mask mandate in 2021. Mistakes were made in the pandemic but now, in 2023, I'm very certain that political strategists currently working with the Biden campaign have determined that continuing to discuss covid and the idea of covid restrictions is not a winning strategy in most parts of the country, even among democratic voters. 





nypost.com/2023/01/17/biden-admin-argues-cdc-has-right-to-require-travelers-to-mask-up-in-appeals-court/

[tacokick]

Apr 26, 2023 9:10:49 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

Apr 25, 2023 11:36:06 GMT -5 tacokick said:

100%! I think a lot of the people who voted him before aren’t happy. He’s done nothing for Covid and has done nothing to stop the constant (and increasingly successful) overturning of basic civil rights.

I wasn’t happy to vote for him then but honestly, I was banking on he’d die in office and we’d get someone else.

ETA I would and I’m sure many others will vote for him again but it’s purely due to lack of choice just like it was the last time.

What do you think he should do? Other than this board, there is not a national appetite for more covid restrictions. This board is the only place I see in depth discussions about how more should be done for covid. And what do you think he should do on the other issue?

Treat it as the ongoing public health issue that it is. Require masks in hospitals and other medical settings including pharmacies as the bare minimum.

Where are you looking for in-depth discussions about Covid? People are out there all over very concerned about this. Or rather not out there because they can’t go to the doctor or the grocery store without worrying about being sickened, further disabled or dead. Or sickening or causing the death of another person. But they are all over social media and very easy to seek out. Doctors, patients, scientists, people who care about their community. Google is a great resource!

It’s bizarre to think “this board” is the only place where people care about public health issues. Maybe people don’t feel comfortable talking to you about it. Or going against the grain in your bubble. But where I live people talk about it a lot and more than half the people I see in stores etc are masking. Because it’s still the third leading cause of death in our country. Because people care about other people and their community. That’s something the president should care about too, instead of willingly sacrificing people in the name of the economy and popularity.


What should he do about the erosion of civil rights in our country? Speak out against it. Use the power of his office to secure our rights. Step down and let someone who isn’t pushing 80 do the work if he isn’t up to the challenge. There is a vocal minority here that has been running unchecked for years and just keeps gaining power. Maybe it’s time for someone to actually lead and do the right thing for a change. Maybe something wild like defending civil rights and public health will turn out to be a popular opinion after all?

[tacokick]

Apr 26, 2023 9:28:27 GMT -5 mpm said:

Apr 26, 2023 9:10:49 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

What do you think he should do? Other than this board, there is not a national appetite for more covid restrictions. This board is the only place I see in depth discussions about how more should be done for covid. And what do you think he should do on the other issue?

The lack of appetite on covid is 100% the fault of this administration. Public opinion is following the administration’s lead, not the other way around.

What to do? Now, probably nothing. The time to act has long passed. But there was definitely a time when the administration could have done a lot more on covid, and it chose not to.

Yup. They did nothing and we all suffer for it.

[tacokick]

Apr 26, 2023 13:36:03 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

Apr 26, 2023 9:28:27 GMT -5 mpm said:

The lack of appetite on covid is 100% the fault of this administration. Public opinion is following the administration’s lead, not the other way around.

What to do? Now, probably nothing. The time to act has long passed. But there was definitely a time when the administration could have done a lot more on covid, and it chose not to.

What is your source on this? Biden wore a mask publicly and so did his staff longer than most of the public. Biden didn't lift the mask mandate for the state of the union until a year ago. Biden's administration is currently fighting to reinstate the mask mandate on planes. Many covid restrictions are in the purview of states and let's face it, the people who were tasked with enforcing it were low wage restaurant or retail workers, school boards, school administrators, public health and many other people who had their lives threatened and were harassed constantly over it the last two years. Noone wants to go back to that.  Gretchen Whitmer lifted Michigan's mask mandate in 2021. Mistakes were made in the pandemic but now, in 2023, I'm very certain that political strategists currently working with the Biden campaign have determined that continuing to discuss covid and the idea of covid restrictions is not a winning strategy in most parts of the country, even among democratic voters. 





nypost.com/2023/01/17/biden-admin-argues-cdc-has-right-to-require-travelers-to-mask-up-in-appeals-court/

He didn’t need to lift the mask mandate at all or leave it up to the states. A virus does not respect state boundaries.

Perhaps harassment would have been lessened if it was a federal issue. Masking is literally the easiest thing in the world for the vast majority of the population and highly effective and that should have been the message from day one. Better masks for people who can’t wear a traditional mask should have been federally fast tracked. More worker protections for people with Covid. Better resources for schools to increase air flow and encourage masking.


When Trump left, Biden could have stepped up but he didn’t. He was in office during the highest spikes of positive cases and took office just days after the highest number of Covid deaths in a single day. That didn’t happen under Trump.

He should be masking now publicly, everyone around him should be masking. That’s what a leader does. They lead by example. He won. He can do the work.

[pixy0stix]

RE: masks - I read a Fauci article recently where he said individual kn/n95 masks are what works. Masking at a population level only works to reduce spread at about 10%. It really stuck out to me considering how much we had masking drilled into us. It really didn't do much at all for the population as a whole. So the Biden Admin rolling back masks was and is following the science.

Wallace-Wells: It was around the same time that the mask guidance wavered — first, masks were not recommended, and then they were.9 But I want to ask you to reflect on the even bigger picture: Were the culture-war fights over masking worth it? Or did those fights have a bigger negative impact on future vaccine uptake among conservatives than the positive impact they had on spread? To be clear: I’m not someone who doesn’t think masks work. I think the science and the data show that they do work, but that they aren’t perfect and that at the population level the effect can be somewhat small. In what was probably our best study, from Bangladesh, in places where mask use tripled, positive tests were reduced by less than 10 percent.

Fauci: It’s a good point in general, but I disagree with your premise a bit. From a broad public-health standpoint, at the population level, masks work at the margins — maybe 10 percent. But for an individual who religiously wears a mask, a well-fitted KN95 or N95, it’s not at the margin. It really does work.

But I think anything that instigated or intensified the culture wars just made things worse. And I have to be honest with you, David, when it comes to masking, I don’t know. But I do know that the culture wars have been really, really tough from a public-health standpoint. Ultimately an epidemiologist sees it as an epidemiological phenomenon. An economist sees it from an economic standpoint. And I see it from somebody in bed dying. And that’s the reason it just bothers me a lot — maybe more so than some others — that because of the culture wars you’re talking about, there are people who are not going to make use of an intervention that could have saved their lives.

Gift link to NYT article

[tacokick]

Apr 26, 2023 14:16:42 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

RE: masks - I read a Fauci article recently where he said individual kn/n95 masks are what works. Masking at a population level only works to reduce spread at about 10%. It really stuck out to me considering how much we had masking drilled into us. It really didn't do much at all for the population as a whole. So the Biden Admin rolling back masks was and is following the science.

Wallace-Wells: It was around the same time that the mask guidance wavered — first, masks were not recommended, and then they were.9 But I want to ask you to reflect on the even bigger picture: Were the culture-war fights over masking worth it? Or did those fights have a bigger negative impact on future vaccine uptake among conservatives than the positive impact they had on spread? To be clear: I’m not someone who doesn’t think masks work. I think the science and the data show that they do work, but that they aren’t perfect and that at the population level the effect can be somewhat small. In what was probably our best study, from Bangladesh, in places where mask use tripled, positive tests were reduced by less than 10 percent.

Fauci: It’s a good point in general, but I disagree with your premise a bit. From a broad public-health standpoint, at the population level, masks work at the margins — maybe 10 percent. But for an individual who religiously wears a mask, a well-fitted KN95 or N95, it’s not at the margin. It really does work.

But I think anything that instigated or intensified the culture wars just made things worse. And I have to be honest with you, David, when it comes to masking, I don’t know. But I do know that the culture wars have been really, really tough from a public-health standpoint. Ultimately an epidemiologist sees it as an epidemiological phenomenon. An economist sees it from an economic standpoint. And I see it from somebody in bed dying. And that’s the reason it just bothers me a lot — maybe more so than some others — that because of the culture wars you’re talking about, there are people who are not going to make use of an intervention that could have saved their lives.

Gift link to NYT article

“But for an individual who religiously wears a mask, a well-fitted KN95 or N95, it’s not at the margin. It really does work.”

That’s the takeaway here. There was never mass masking and never of the correct masks, worn correctly.

This fleshes it out a bit more

abcnews.go.com/Health/masks-effective-study-respected-group-misinterpreted/story?id=97846561

“Researchers found cloth masks were associated with a 56% decrease in testing positive for COVID-19, surgical masks by 66% and N95/KN95 masks by 83% compared to those who didn't wear masks or face coverings.”


What should have been happening was a mass info campaign of proper masking and how it works in the individual level. Instead we got basically nothing. Masking wasn’t working at the population level because people weren’t actually masking.

[pixy0stix]

Apr 26, 2023 14:23:59 GMT -5 tacokick said:

Apr 26, 2023 14:16:42 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

RE: masks - I read a Fauci article recently where he said individual kn/n95 masks are what works. Masking at a population level only works to reduce spread at about 10%. It really stuck out to me considering how much we had masking drilled into us. It really didn't do much at all for the population as a whole. So the Biden Admin rolling back masks was and is following the science.

Gift link to NYT article

“But for an individual who religiously wears a mask, a well-fitted KN95 or N95, it’s not at the margin. It really does work.”

That’s the takeaway here. There was never mass masking and never of the correct masks, worn correctly.

This fleshes it out a bit more

abcnews.go.com/Health/masks-effective-study-respected-group-misinterpreted/story?id=97846561

“Researchers found cloth masks were associated with a 56% decrease in testing positive for COVID-19, surgical masks by 66% and N95/KN95 masks by 83% compared to those who didn't wear masks or face coverings.”


What should have been happening was a mass info campaign of proper masking and how it works in the individual level. Instead we got basically nothing. Masking wasn’t working at the population level because people weren’t actually masking.

For the individual and not at population level. 

[mpm]

Apr 26, 2023 13:36:03 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

Apr 26, 2023 9:28:27 GMT -5 mpm said:

The lack of appetite on covid is 100% the fault of this administration. Public opinion is following the administration’s lead, not the other way around.

What to do? Now, probably nothing. The time to act has long passed. But there was definitely a time when the administration could have done a lot more on covid, and it chose not to.

What is your source on this? Biden wore a mask publicly and so did his staff longer than most of the public. Biden didn't lift the mask mandate for the state of the union until a year ago. Biden's administration is currently fighting to reinstate the mask mandate on planes. Many covid restrictions are in the purview of states and let's face it, the people who were tasked with enforcing it were low wage restaurant or retail workers, school boards, school administrators, public health and many other people who had their lives threatened and were harassed constantly over it the last two years. Noone wants to go back to that.  Gretchen Whitmer lifted Michigan's mask mandate in 2021. Mistakes were made in the pandemic but now, in 2023, I'm very certain that political strategists currently working with the Biden campaign have determined that continuing to discuss covid and the idea of covid restrictions is not a winning strategy in most parts of the country, even among democratic voters. 





nypost.com/2023/01/17/biden-admin-argues-cdc-has-right-to-require-travelers-to-mask-up-in-appeals-court/

Sources? Here’s one, but I’ve seen plenty of similar criticisms:
www.politico.com/news/2022/09/19/biden-pandemic-over-covid-team-response-00057649


Here’s another, from before @

SPOILER: Click to show

kids could even get vaccinated 😡

www.politico.com/news/2022/02/03/white-house-omicron-next-phase-pandemic-00005033

I’m not talking about mask or vaccine mandates. Where I live, we never had either of those things. I’m talking about leadership by example, which does not require mandates. Wearing a well-fitting high quality mask rather than a baggy surgical one that he removes while speaking while visiting hospitals and crowded schools, for example. I’m talking about not using the word “restrictions” and instead using language that positively promotes a national culture of health and safety. I’m talking about strengthening worker protections, which doesn’t even need to be a covid-centric message. I’m talking about the administration’s messaging about moving on from a pandemic we are very much still in, while thousands are still dying a week from it and no one is sure what the long-term effects of it are, despite @

SPOILER: Click to show

that we’ve already repeatedly infected an entire generation with it.

. I’m talking about acknowledging our dead and disabled from covid instead of treating them like they never existed. I’m talking about coming up with a plan for what happens if we learn in a few years that repeat regular infections isn’t such a good thing on a population level. Overall, it doesn’t seem at all like this administration has a long-term plan for addressing covid. It feels more like we’re being led by an 80-year old man who won’t be alive by the time we get to the finding out part of this so he doesn’t care.

[mpm]

Apr 26, 2023 13:25:19 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

Apr 26, 2023 9:24:04 GMT -5 mpm said:

People who are going to vote for Trump because Biden is too old are not representative of the party and are not the people that dems should cater to, I'm sorry, that is just absurd.

We don’t know for sure it will be Trump.

[tacokick]

Apr 26, 2023 14:36:21 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Apr 26, 2023 14:23:59 GMT -5 tacokick said:

“But for an individual who religiously wears a mask, a well-fitted KN95 or N95, it’s not at the margin. It really does work.”

That’s the takeaway here. There was never mass masking and never of the correct masks, worn correctly.

This fleshes it out a bit more

abcnews.go.com/Health/masks-effective-study-respected-group-misinterpreted/story?id=97846561

“Researchers found cloth masks were associated with a 56% decrease in testing positive for COVID-19, surgical masks by 66% and N95/KN95 masks by 83% compared to those who didn't wear masks or face coverings.”


What should have been happening was a mass info campaign of proper masking and how it works in the individual level. Instead we got basically nothing. Masking wasn’t working at the population level because people weren’t actually masking.

For the individual and not at population level. 

I’m not interested in going around in circles with you but it would improve at the population level if the majority of people wore a proper mask and wore it properly. The statistic you are latching on to is improper use by people who either don’t care or don’t know any better or don’t have access to better masks. Which is a failure of our government.

Masking works extremely well at the individual level and keeps spread down in public. You can’t spread a virus you’ve never had!

Doing things that work an individual level is a good thing. People being healthy and alive is a good thing. Encouraging people to take care of their health and others is something our president should be encouraging.

I know a ton of people don’t care about their own or anyone else’s health or quality of life and are happy with how things are. This isn’t news to me! I find it gross and disturbing but it’s reality.

Personally, I don’t want to be the reason why people don’t feel comfortable leaving their homes so I mask in public places. But that’s just me! Doing that zany thing of protecting myself and being respectful of others even if it isn’t the perfect solution or even popular. What will I do next? Wear a seat belt? Wait, I know, stop at a crosswalk! I’m incorrigible!

[Velar Fricative]

Just listened to the Daily episode and while it sounds good, I’m still worried another state we think is safe will go rogue. Still too much time for so much to happen.

Apologies to everyone in AZ, WI, and GA, you will see nothing but political ads for a year.

[jeaniebueller]

Apr 26, 2023 15:00:18 GMT -5 mpm said:

Apr 26, 2023 13:25:19 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

People who are going to vote for Trump because Biden is too old are not representative of the party and are not the people that dems should cater to, I'm sorry, that is just absurd.

We don’t know for sure it will be Trump.

Oh it was be someone palatable like Desantis? /s. The point is that if you are willing to vote for anything in the GOP platform, you really aren’t the target demographic for the Democratic Party.

I’m honestly not getting into more Covid discussions in this board because it often veers into vaccine denialism and feelings over the science, as demonstrated by the post linked above. To the fault of no one because we operated on what we believed at the time—there were detrimental effects to the Covid restrictions and distancing and we haven’t even begun to scratch the surface of its impacts. I won’t go any further to avoid @ content in this thread and just leave it there.

[mpm]

Apr 26, 2023 16:52:03 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

Apr 26, 2023 15:00:18 GMT -5 mpm said:

We don’t know for sure it will be Trump.

Oh it was be someone palatable like Desantis? /s. The point is that if you are willing to vote for anything in the GOP platform, you really aren’t the target demographic for the Democratic Party.

.

I find it worrisome that I’ve heard so many in the left say they’ll stay home over Biden’s perceived blasé attitude on civil rights, covid, and abortion, and even more so to then see people like you say that we’re also wiling to sacrifice the votes of anyone concerned with age-related cognitive decline. This is a time to be building the base of “will definitely vote D voters”, not reducing it.

[SwimDeep]

mpm said what I was going to say.

The other thing I was going to say is that I hate that our elections have overtaken time our reps should be working. We're not even through the first half of 2023 and everyone (general) is already focusing on elections that won't happen until the second half of 2024.

Maybe it's me. I'm tired right now, and I just want everything to slow down for at least five... ten hot minutes.

And I am absolutely dreading the political ads 😑

ETA - I'm voting blue down the ticket. No question. I don't do much aside from donations here and there and amplifying what I can on social media (which is laughable, really 'cause I'm the definition of nobody), but I will never vote for an R again. Never.
So I'm ridin' with Biden 🥳

[tacokick]

Apr 26, 2023 16:52:03 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

Apr 26, 2023 15:00:18 GMT -5 mpm said:

We don’t know for sure it will be Trump.

Oh it was be someone palatable like Desantis? /s. The point is that if you are willing to vote for anything in the GOP platform, you really aren’t the target demographic for the Democratic Party.

I’m honestly not getting into more Covid discussions in this board because it often veers into vaccine denialism and feelings over the science, as demonstrated by the post linked above. To the fault of no one because we operated on what we believed at the time—there were detrimental effects to the Covid restrictions and distancing and we haven’t even begun to scratch the surface of its impacts. I won’t go any further to avoid @ content in this thread and just leave it there.

Who is a vaccine denier here? Like for real.

Cherry picking what you want to believe and taking things out of context to make yourself feel better about doing nothing isn’t following the science.

We know masking greatly reduces personal risk. It’s in that link! We know disabled people are begging people to mask indoors and in medical settings so they can comfortably leave their homes and even receive needed medical care. I’m not sure why that isn’t enough to make a person care but go America!

We also know things like this www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/what-does-coronavirus-do-to-your-body

and this @

www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/04/18/1170087779/covid-pregnancy-fetus-brain-delays

It’s true, some kids were out of school for a few months in a some areas years ago and that totally sucked. If a kid is still struggling, I hope they can get some help. Therapy, tutoring should be available to all.

But this pesky virus just isn’t going away!

If only we could do something in 2023 while living our normal lives that both helps us as individuals and makes other people more comfortable leaving their homes and living their lives. Something that possibly might help someone—even yourself—not die or become disabled. Something you could wear would be ideal but I’m open to suggestions.

[tacokick]

Apr 26, 2023 17:16:26 GMT -5 mpm said:

Apr 26, 2023 16:52:03 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

Oh it was be someone palatable like Desantis? /s. The point is that if you are willing to vote for anything in the GOP platform, you really aren’t the target demographic for the Democratic Party.

.

I find it worrisome that I’ve heard so many in the left say they’ll stay home over Biden’s perceived blasé attitude on civil rights, covid, and abortion, and even more so to then see people like you say that we’re also wiling to sacrifice the votes of anyone concerned with age-related cognitive decline. This is a time to be building the base of “will definitely vote D voters”, not reducing it.

I think that he will get the support of the same people who supported him before. The people who will vote for any democrat because they know the alternative. It’s not like his core group of voters liked him or thought he was a good choice. He was the only choice. Unless he dies, it will be the same again.

There are always going to be jerks that won’t vote for some reason or another but the realists will be there. The other people are looking for an excuse not to vote and be provocative.

[k3am]

Apr 26, 2023 17:47:01 GMT -5 tacokick said:

Apr 26, 2023 16:52:03 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

Oh it was be someone palatable like Desantis? /s. The point is that if you are willing to vote for anything in the GOP platform, you really aren’t the target demographic for the Democratic Party.

I’m honestly not getting into more Covid discussions in this board because it often veers into vaccine denialism and feelings over the science, as demonstrated by the post linked above. To the fault of no one because we operated on what we believed at the time—there were detrimental effects to the Covid restrictions and distancing and we haven’t even begun to scratch the surface of its impacts. I won’t go any further to avoid @ content in this thread and just leave it there.

Who is a vaccine denier here? Like for real.

Cherry picking what you want to believe and taking things out of context to make yourself feel better about doing nothing isn’t following the science.

We know masking greatly reduces personal risk. It’s in that link! We know disabled people are begging people to mask indoors and in medical settings so they can comfortably leave their homes and even receive needed medical care. I’m not sure why that isn’t enough to make a person care but go America!

We also know things like this www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/what-does-coronavirus-do-to-your-body

and this @

www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/04/18/1170087779/covid-pregnancy-fetus-brain-delays

It’s true, some kids were out of school for a few months in a some areas years ago and that totally sucked. If a kid is still struggling, I hope they can get some help. Therapy, tutoring should be available to all.

But this pesky virus just isn’t going away!

If only we could do something in 2023 while living our normal lives that both helps us as individuals and makes other people more comfortable leaving their homes and living their lives. Something that possibly might help someone—even yourself—not die or become disabled. Something you could wear would be ideal but I’m open to suggestions.

Some kids were out of school for more than a few months. My daughter didn’t step foot in a classroom for well over 400 days. Her fourth grade teacher told me he has kids who didn’t know addition and subtraction. There is no free tutoring available for all. There is no therapy - we just got a referral for it, and the closest one with openings is 2.5 hours away without factoring in traffic. My sister and best friend are teachers and they are broken by the stress of it all and THAT is not going away.

[pixy0stix]

Apr 26, 2023 17:47:01 GMT -5 tacokick said:

Apr 26, 2023 16:52:03 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

Oh it was be someone palatable like Desantis? /s. The point is that if you are willing to vote for anything in the GOP platform, you really aren’t the target demographic for the Democratic Party.

I’m honestly not getting into more Covid discussions in this board because it often veers into vaccine denialism and feelings over the science, as demonstrated by the post linked above. To the fault of no one because we operated on what we believed at the time—there were detrimental effects to the Covid restrictions and distancing and we haven’t even begun to scratch the surface of its impacts. I won’t go any further to avoid @ content in this thread and just leave it there.

Who is a vaccine denier here? Like for real.

Cherry picking what you want to believe and taking things out of context to make yourself feel better about doing nothing isn’t following the science.

We know masking greatly reduces personal risk. It’s in that link! We know disabled people are begging people to mask indoors and in medical settings so they can comfortably leave their homes and even receive needed medical care. I’m not sure why that isn’t enough to make a person care but go America!

We also know things like this www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/what-does-coronavirus-do-to-your-body

and this @

www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/04/18/1170087779/covid-pregnancy-fetus-brain-delays

It’s true, some kids were out of school for a few months in a some areas years ago and that totally sucked. If a kid is still struggling, I hope they can get some help. Therapy, tutoring should be available to all.

But this pesky virus just isn’t going away!

If only we could do something in 2023 while living our normal lives that both helps us as individuals and makes other people more comfortable leaving their homes and living their lives. Something that possibly might help someone—even yourself—not die or become disabled. Something you could wear would be ideal but I’m open to suggestions.

Wtf are you even talking about, cherry picking? You say you don't want to engage and then continue on like you're the only one here that still masks and are taking precautions.