McConnell and Feinstein health issues

[erbear]

Jul 28, 2023 12:17:35 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

I heard an idea a while back about semi-retirement and serving as a mentor role as a gentle glidepath out of a job for an older generation. It lets them be involved, share their knowledge, stay engaged, open up positions for younger people to move up, lets them keep earing a bit of money.

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My school does this for the last 3 years of your career. 3/4 pay and full benefits, but you just teach. No advising, no clubs, no meetings -- the only expectation is that you teach your classes and mentor one younger teacher in the department.

[jinkies]

There is already a minimum age for president. I have never heard people talk about that being discriminatory. I truly don't think that instituting a maximum is ageist, so much as it is practical. Yes, there may be some people over the maximum age that could theoretically do the job well, or bring good experience to the table. But I'm sure that is also true for some people under the minimum.

And yes, people could die at any time and early onset Alzheimer's disease is a thing. But statistically the chances of mental decline and/or death for someone in their 80s is much higher than someone even 20 years younger. It's not a gamble that I like seeing us take with the country's leadership when so much is at stake.

[Jalapeñomel]

Jul 31, 2023 9:55:50 GMT -5 jinkies said:

There is already a minimum age for president. I have never heard people talk about that being discriminatory. I truly don't think that instituting a maximum is ageist, so much as it is practical. Yes, there may be some people over the maximum age that could theoretically do the job well, or bring good experience to the table. But I'm sure that is also true for some people under the minimum.

And yes, people could die at any time and early onset Alzheimer's disease is a thing. But statistically the chances of mental decline and/or death for someone in their 80s is much higher than someone even 20 years younger. It's not a gamble that I like seeing us take with the country's leadership when so much is at stake.

I also think that for politicians (I’m sure other professions as well) is the idea that an octogenarian is probably not well versed in the needs and wants of someone in their 20s (although one could argue that a politician is better at this than many other people). You also need to be able to keep up with technology and social media, etc, things that weren’t a thing even 20 years ago (SM not technology). And, to me, this is problematic.

I can respect that someone who has been in politics for 50 years has a plethora of experience and knowledge, but with how fast the world changes, are they really the best person the represent all people?

[krystee]

There is a max age to join the military or become an air traffic controller (only 30 years old!!), so setting a max isn’t anything new.

[pinkdutchtulips]

Jul 27, 2023 15:35:53 GMT -5 cous0226 said:

I don’t think it’ll ever happen. Mitch will die on the senate floor before he retires and gives up power.

I don't know about that. He can die knowing that under Kentucky law, his replacement will be a Republican. 

[pinkdutchtulips]

Jul 28, 2023 6:58:05 GMT -5 cattledogkisses said:

Jul 27, 2023 21:44:23 GMT -5 StrawberryBlondie said:

Ok, but it seemed your point was that people only lived to 35 so they wouldn't have anticipated a geriatric president or congressperson. When I think they clearly did because if you survived to adulthood, your chances of living to at least 75 were high.

If that wasn't your point, I apologize but have to admit I don't get what your point was.

I also agree with this.  If you look at the Founding Fathers themselves, Thomas Jefferson lived to be 83, John Adams lived to be 90, Benjamin Franklin lived to be 84, and James Madison lived to be 85.  Washington was a bit of an outlier who died at 67.  But I don't think the idea of someone living into their old age and potentially serving in office was a totally foreign concept to them.

Ben Franklin was in his 70's as an Ambassador when he was begging the French to give us troops, ammo, guns & money during the Revolution. 

[tiki]

Jul 31, 2023 11:30:54 GMT -5 krystee said:

There is a max age to join the military or become an air traffic controller (only 30 years old!!), so setting a max isn’t anything new.

And air traffic controllers have mandatory retirement at 56.  So it's a really tightly age-bracketed job. 

[gretchenindisguise]

Jul 31, 2023 12:43:27 GMT -5 pinkdutchtulips said:

Jul 27, 2023 15:35:53 GMT -5 cous0226 said:

I don’t think it’ll ever happen. Mitch will die on the senate floor before he retires and gives up power.

I don't know about that. He can die knowing that under Kentucky law, his replacement will be a Republican. 

But it won't be him (unless he is sitting on some science we don't know about). I don't think he cares if they're republican as much as he cares it's him.

[TR]

Jul 31, 2023 13:27:22 GMT -5 tiki said:

Jul 31, 2023 11:30:54 GMT -5 krystee said:

There is a max age to join the military or become an air traffic controller (only 30 years old!!), so setting a max isn’t anything new.

And air traffic controllers have mandatory retirement at 56.  So it's a really tightly age-bracketed job. 

The “can’t start after 30” part is due to the years of service you need for retirement right?

[tiki]

Jul 31, 2023 16:45:14 GMT -5 TR said:

Jul 31, 2023 13:27:22 GMT -5 tiki said:

And air traffic controllers have mandatory retirement at 56.  So it's a really tightly age-bracketed job. 

The “can’t start after 30” part is due to the years of service you need for retirement right?

My brother is an ATC and says they don't want to waste their time training you and giving you a slot if you can't stay at least 25 years. (Which given how crappy his work environment is and how much the rotating shifts stress his body and make a normal life schedule impossible, I truly don't understand the draw...) 

[Bernadine]

Per multiple news sources, Feinstein has handed power of attorney over to her daughter.

[StrawberryBlondie]

Aug 7, 2023 10:35:22 GMT -5 Bernadine said:

Per multiple news sources, Feinstein has handed power of attorney over to her daughter.

Source? I'd like more info on what this entails.

[wanderingback]

Aug 7, 2023 10:35:22 GMT -5 Bernadine said:

Per multiple news sources, Feinstein has handed power of attorney over to her daughter.

But this doesn’t seem to have anything to do with her being a senator, no?

[Bernadine]

Aug 7, 2023 10:43:55 GMT -5 StrawberryBlondie said:

Aug 7, 2023 10:35:22 GMT -5 Bernadine said:

Per multiple news sources, Feinstein has handed power of attorney over to her daughter.

Source? I'd like more info on what this entails.

www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/dianne-feinstein-power-of-attorney-what-it-means/

[wanderingback]

Aug 7, 2023 10:43:55 GMT -5 StrawberryBlondie said:

Aug 7, 2023 10:35:22 GMT -5 Bernadine said:

Per multiple news sources, Feinstein has handed power of attorney over to her daughter.

Source? I'd like more info on what this entails.

I just googled Dianne Feinstein power of attorney and several articles came up. Here’s one- www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/dianne-feinstein-power-of-attorney-what-it-means/

[StrawberryBlondie]

Aug 7, 2023 10:52:35 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

Aug 7, 2023 10:43:55 GMT -5 StrawberryBlondie said:

Source? I'd like more info on what this entails.

I just googled Dianne Feinstein power of attorney and several articles came up. Here’s one- www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/dianne-feinstein-power-of-attorney-what-it-means/

I did that too and got a bunch of stuff telling me what a power of attorney is. 😂

[wanderingback]

Aug 7, 2023 10:56:32 GMT -5 StrawberryBlondie said:

Aug 7, 2023 10:52:35 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

I just googled Dianne Feinstein power of attorney and several articles came up. Here’s one- www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/dianne-feinstein-power-of-attorney-what-it-means/

I did that too and got a bunch of stuff telling me what a power of attorney is. 😂

The Google algorithm is so weird!

[tacokick]

Aug 7, 2023 10:35:22 GMT -5 Bernadine said:

Per multiple news sources, Feinstein has handed power of attorney over to her daughter.

While I 100% feel like she needs to retire already, I don’t think this is as big of a deal as some media is making it. It’s a pretty common suggestion for anyone of any level of wealth or status to make someone younger their POA, especially if they don’t have a spouse. It doesn’t mean you aren’t capable of making your own decisions and just because someone has POA, that doesn’t mean they are actually using it.

I’ve had it for my dad for years and have never had use it. But if he got sick suddenly, I will be able to pay his bills and make decisions about his care and assets immediately and easily. But right now he’s fine and doing everything himself.

[wanderingback]

Aug 7, 2023 12:20:36 GMT -5 tacokick said:

Aug 7, 2023 10:35:22 GMT -5 Bernadine said:

Per multiple news sources, Feinstein has handed power of attorney over to her daughter.

While I 100% feel like she needs to retire already, I don’t think this is as big of a deal as some media is making it. It’s a pretty common suggestion for anyone of any level of wealth or status to make someone younger their POA, especially if they don’t have a spouse. It doesn’t mean you aren’t capable of making your own decisions and just because someone has POA, that doesn’t mean they are actually using it.

I’ve had it for my dad for years and have never had use it. But if he got sick suddenly, I will be able to pay his bills and make decisions about his care and assets immediately and easily. But right now he’s fine and doing everything himself.

Yeah I’m very confused about this being made news unless there’s something else. It’s very normal for people, especially over the age of 60, to have this in place. It’s very smart and surprising that she didn’t already have this in place!
Is this something that government officials have to disclose abojt so that’s why it’s making the news?

[tacokick]

Aug 7, 2023 12:32:39 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

Aug 7, 2023 12:20:36 GMT -5 tacokick said:

While I 100% feel like she needs to retire already, I don’t think this is as big of a deal as some media is making it. It’s a pretty common suggestion for anyone of any level of wealth or status to make someone younger their POA, especially if they don’t have a spouse. It doesn’t mean you aren’t capable of making your own decisions and just because someone has POA, that doesn’t mean they are actually using it.

I’ve had it for my dad for years and have never had use it. But if he got sick suddenly, I will be able to pay his bills and make decisions about his care and assets immediately and easily. But right now he’s fine and doing everything himself.

Yeah I’m very confused about this being made news unless there’s something else. It’s very normal for people, especially over the age of 60, to have this in place. It’s very smart and surprising that she didn’t already have this in place!
Is this something that government officials have to disclose abojt so that’s why it’s making the news?

I don’t think they do—I’d be surprised if most don’t have one themselves.

It seems like it came out as part of some legal issues the daughter was dealing with on her behalf about trustees not releasing funds to pay medical bills.

ETA unpaywalled recap jezebel.com/dianne-feinsteins-daughter-is-claiming-she-has-power-of-1850704296

[jeaniebueller]

IF its a durable POA, that's a normal estate planning document. If its a POA for a specific purpose, like if her daughter must sign paperwork for her while she is in DC, that is also not atypical. In short we don't have enough info and yet she still needs to RETIRE yesterday.

[sonrisa]

Her daughter is in a legal fight with the trust that holds the assets of her deceased husband.

[mcsangel2]

Aug 8, 2023 0:58:06 GMT -5 sonrisa said:

Her daughter is in a legal fight with the trust that holds the assets of her deceased husband.

I wonder what that's about?? Trusts are supposed to make things easier, not harder.

But yeah, this doesn't have anything to do with Feinstein potentially finally retiring.

[fortnightlily]

Aug 8, 2023 10:59:30 GMT -5 mcsangel2 said:

Aug 8, 2023 0:58:06 GMT -5 sonrisa said:

Her daughter is in a legal fight with the trust that holds the assets of her deceased husband.

I wonder what that's about?? Trusts are supposed to make things easier, not harder.

But yeah, this doesn't have anything to do with Feinstein potentially finally retiring.

NYTimes has a whole article about it: www.nytimes.com/2023/08/03/us/feinstein-husband-estate-family-fortune.html?unlocked_article_code=F0y5NXUNB7Y4G8H9ncmvIiws-Xg7WQXZYL4GbIwMUz6zDPRHXUBnAqa27WW3wyyA47epW-3A_JjGdUrzSkJoJ8ntGD-c6Il4oe4CkX-hAoCHDrxS5rpk6rAXtQ2JYthO-kC1bIIdFUpu6wHUd2Y61IMrgBGA-APH3wZvSYfyHUSOUgWoWbfhfvToSYQbQiEB8oSUqFiDmBuNSKIPme2TCJGg5ZQaPu9-iJJ-raRjkOe3LSsil9IvkchzBooNFwsxv4Wui6PBTOkbpHYLJCRoemuf2fDwqTv_lSc5dfRP_i9H9zSCKhyt_RFyl47AF0B4h21lmCE_hQu0f3irUMReu0OcG0Hg8EMCvIkWDg&smid=url-share

[sonrisa]

Aug 8, 2023 10:59:30 GMT -5 mcsangel2 said:

Aug 8, 2023 0:58:06 GMT -5 sonrisa said:

Her daughter is in a legal fight with the trust that holds the assets of her deceased husband.

Trusts are supposed to make things easier, not harder.

Trusts keep an estate out of probate. They don't fix difficult family dynamics. Since the estate doesn't go through probate (ie. court oversight), trusts can get even messier than probate if there's animosity and shenanigans. In this situation, animosity is sending the parties to court - which is exactly what a trust is supposed to avoid.

(PDQ: Everything involved with my dad's intestate probate (no will) took about a year, maybe less. The statutes were clear and the process was tiresome but straightforward. In contrast, settling my grandfather's trust took 18 years because of disagreements over the trust terms and animosity. Nothing could happen without consensus of all the heirs or involving the courts. No one wanted to take it to court and there was always someone not speaking to someone else.)

[mrsd2006]

www.cnn.com/2023/08/09/politics/dianne-feinstein-hospitalized-after-fall/index.html

Feinstein had another fall and was briefly hospitalized.

[AAM2012]

Aug 7, 2023 10:35:22 GMT -5 Bernadine said:

Per multiple news sources, Feinstein has handed power of attorney over to her daughter.

Umm I feel like in general this should happen way before 90…

My goodness my dad is THE MOST stubborn person ever and even he has added me to his accounts and given me appropriate permission, POA/authority, etc at the age of 71.

I know not everyone is so lucky when it comes to aging parents making appropriate decisions when it comes to their estates, but she is a public figure..90..health issues…yeesh!

Edit: I also don’t think this personal decision should be for the public to know, shame on whoever leaked.

[AAM2012]

Aug 7, 2023 10:56:32 GMT -5 StrawberryBlondie said:

Aug 7, 2023 10:52:35 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

I just googled Dianne Feinstein power of attorney and several articles came up. Here’s one- www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/dianne-feinstein-power-of-attorney-what-it-means/

I did that too and got a bunch of stuff telling me what a power of attorney is. 😂

How old are you?

I kid..I kid!

[imimahoney]

I keep reading that the reason she won't resign is because the Rs will refuse a replacement Dem for the judiciary committee, thus stopping all of Bidens appointments.

It absolutely sucks if true. If she wants to step back and give up her seat because of her health but can't because of their assholery, these fuckers should rot.

[StrawberryBlondie]

Aug 9, 2023 21:50:13 GMT -5 AAM2012 said:

Aug 7, 2023 10:56:32 GMT -5 StrawberryBlondie said:

I did that too and got a bunch of stuff telling me what a power of attorney is. 😂

How old are you?

I kid..I kid!

AARP has been trying to get me on since I was 29 so maybe I have old energy. 😂