Ethnic cleansing of Palestinians (@ mentions)

[meanprincess]

You can’t see how beyond parody it is to try to cling to any reason to call me an antisemite all why saying it is you being gaslit.

[klee23]

Oct 21, 2023 11:24:33 GMT -5 meanprincess said:

You can’t see how beyond parody it is to try to cling to any reason to call me an antisemite all why saying it is you being gaslit.

I can't understand what you want here (generally speaking and specific to GBCN). You came here under a different name and harangued posters that are being open about struggling with everything going on. You were confronted, said fuck this place and then come back a few days later to get a few more licks in? Why bother switching to an old name? It's just coming off an nasty, aggressive and unnecessary.

I'll slide back into my lurker hole now.

[shopgirl07]

I think coming to a message board specifically to tell a Jewish poster that she doesn’t understand the situation and that her feelings are wrong is the very definition of anti-semitism.

You’ve rarely, rarely engaged in this community yet NOW is the time you swoop in here and start yelling at people? What about your grand sendoff about a week or so ago when you swore at everyone and told us how much you hate this place? Why’d you come back then?

I for one do not want your bigoted rhetoric here.

[goldengirlz]

Friends, as I posted in the other thread, I am not okay.

I knew MeanPrincess was IceBlink as soon as she returned. I was going to ignore her. She came for me.

I already posted everything she said that I have taken issue with, and if I was wrong about her name, so be it. She opened herself up to suspicion.

You are harboring a troll on this board.

She’s going to quote me again. She’s going to come for me again. Like klee23 said, she just NEEDS to get her licks in. This is not “intellectual debate.” This is not me being too “emotional” to have a rational discussion. This is callousness and viciousness.

[shopgirl07]

I’m so sorry goldengirlz, you don’t deserve this. I think the troll should be banned.

[pixy0stix]

I don't understand the logic of deleting a whole account because of ... reasons? And then coming back under another name. You're too chicken shit to talk to your family, but sure as shit can do it here behind several usernames. Coward.

[AJL]

Oct 21, 2023 11:24:33 GMT -5 meanprincess said:

You can’t see how beyond parody it is to try to cling to any reason to call me an antisemite all why saying it is you being gaslit.

What do you want? I thought you thought this place was bullshit and then you fucked off for a bit. It's safe to say that you don't have any intention of having a conversation. You're just here to start shit. This subject is not it, my dude. 

Those of us with actual stake in the situation in Israel (and I mean real stake. Don't come at me with some nonsense), are not doing well. Your comments are not needed. They don't contribute anything and they are purposefully antagonistic. You should either get your shit together and stop being a contrary asshole or fuck right back off.

[cap]

Fuck off, meanprincess.

It’s attitudes, behaviors, and words like yours that lead to the horrible things happening to innocent Jews and Palestinians.

[sofamonkey]

I won’t quote because ::ReAsOnS:: but just because you had a shitty antisemitic name for a long time doesn’t make it not true. I’m pretty sure people aren’t fruit. You aren’t fine one day and turn bad in a few days. Lol. So begone before someone drops a house on you.

[sofamonkey]

Also, my sincere apologies to GG and other targeted posters. It not something you should be dealing with. It’s super fucked.

[meanprincess]

My goodness. Someone literally came into this thread to rant about how no, no one is throwing out ‘antisemitic!!’ at anyone that says they’re against the genocide of Palestinians.

When I responded and said sorry but I have actually seen that happen and heard things some Jewish people say that contradict your point.

I guess they backtracked on their original statement because that’s all anyone has said in response to me, that in fact I am antisemitic. How does that work?

My username. Like are you for real?

My username or the length of time I have posted here doesn’t matter. Anyone should be able to call the murder of innocent people.

[klee23]

Oct 21, 2023 21:26:26 GMT -5 meanprincess said:

No [part of the problem] is you are following GG's posts and harassing her when she clearly does not want to engage with you. You stormed off the board a week ago and couldn't stay away. So I still wonder, like others have asked, is why did you come back? Because at this point no one wants to interact with you. What are you getting out of this?

Eta- apologies to fryjack, I'm sorry your thread was threadjacked when this was an important space to share your fears, sadness, need for support.

[meanprincess]

Look, I started posting about it in the first place because it’s a subject matter I feel strongly about. I thought I knew this place to be a space where intelligent, politically well versed people talked about this stuff.

But when I expressed how I have never felt that I could push back against my family members on their views in this, when it comes to any other subject matter I have no problem voicing my differing opinion against their right wing viewpoints. So it is with a sense of shame that I could not do that when I see obvious genocide happening before our eyes. A shame in my countries parts to play in this. I should be able to say those things are wrong without any fear of upsetting anyone, or starting an argument etc. but even sharing that I don’t speak on it with family, right here it was implied I was a bigot because of that!!

And yes I pressed a delete account button rather than just stepping away for a bit. Because I was bullied into silence for voicing my opinion on Israel’s (meaning not all Jews nor just one Prime Minister) murder of Palestinians, and I realized that is utter shit. That should not happen and it is a problem that’s happening in a lot of places.

[cattledogkisses]

It's wildly tone-deaf to come into a thread whose content is pages and pages of people sharing how deeply upsetting the events of the last few weeks have been for them, and then complain that people are upset by your clumsy, untactful remarks. As someone else said, this is not an academic discussion for the posters here who have personal connections to Israel and Palestine.

And every single poster here has condemned the murder of innocent civilians in Palestine. So I don't know why you're coming after people in here on that front, and GG in particular.

[meanprincess]

I’m not coming after GG. Someone said in part of their post ‘But when I see people speak out about the atrocities of that kind of action and the cutting off of all resources, we are accused of being antisemitic.’

GG came after them and posted a rant (her words) about this is not what is happening, no Jews do that.

I say some of them do, we have a back and forth discussion which leads to me being called antisemitic.

So please explain GG coming after someone for saying that, then proceeds to say no one does that, then does exactly that.
I’m losing my fucking mind here.

[rikki]

Oct 22, 2023 8:13:02 GMT -5 meanprincess said:

I’m not coming after GG. Someone said in part of their post ‘But when I see people speak out about the atrocities of that kind of action and the cutting off of all resources, we are accused of being antisemitic.’

GG came after them and posted a rant (her words) about this is not what is happening, no Jews do that.

I say some of them do, we have a back and forth discussion which leads to me being called antisemitic.

So please explain GG coming after someone for saying that, then proceeds to say no one does that, then does exactly that.
I’m losing my fucking mind here.

It seems to me it would be good for your mental health, since you’re losing your fucking mind HERE, to just go away and not come back then.

[meanprincess]

Oct 22, 2023 8:23:05 GMT -5 rikki said:

Oct 22, 2023 8:13:02 GMT -5 meanprincess said:

I’m not coming after GG. Someone said in part of their post ‘But when I see people speak out about the atrocities of that kind of action and the cutting off of all resources, we are accused of being antisemitic.’

GG came after them and posted a rant (her words) about this is not what is happening, no Jews do that.

I say some of them do, we have a back and forth discussion which leads to me being called antisemitic.

So please explain GG coming after someone for saying that, then proceeds to say no one does that, then does exactly that.
I’m losing my fucking mind here.

It seems to me it would be good for your mental health, since you’re losing your fucking mind HERE, to just go away and not come back then.

This is happening all over, in lots of spaces, online, in person, in my government, in the media. It’s all completely not okay.

[pixy0stix]

Pushing back on what you were posting by asking for verified sources isn't bullying. Far from it.

This *waves arms* is troll behavior.

[meanprincess]

Oct 22, 2023 9:24:42 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Pushing back on what you were posting by asking for verified sources isn't bullying. Far from it.

This *waves arms* is troll behavior.

Where have I said anything about verifying sources as a reason for anything? I explicitly said I was bullied my being called an antisemite and a bigot, from posters who say that type of stuff doesn’t happen.

[pixy0stix]

ETA: Even though this is an open forum, we've all known each other for the most part for decades. Lurking for those same decades is insane. Literally insane behavior. So either you're a regular posting as a troll OR you're a fucking weirdo. Either isn't a good look.

[gemini79]

Oct 22, 2023 7:21:33 GMT -5 meanprincess said:

Look, I started posting about it in the first place because it’s a subject matter I feel strongly about. I thought I knew this place to be a space where intelligent, politically well versed people talked about this stuff.

But when I expressed how I have never felt that I could push back against my family members on their views in this, when it comes to any other subject matter I have no problem voicing my differing opinion against their right wing viewpoints. So it is with a sense of shame that I could not do that when I see obvious genocide happening before our eyes. A shame in my countries parts to play in this. I should be able to say those things are wrong without any fear of upsetting anyone, or starting an argument etc. but even sharing that I don’t speak on it with family, right here it was implied I was a bigot because of that!!

And yes I pressed a delete account button rather than just stepping away for a bit. Because I was bullied into silence for voicing my opinion on Israel’s (meaning not all Jews nor just one Prime Minister) murder of Palestinians, and I realized that is utter shit. That should not happen and it is a problem that’s happening in a lot of places.

You received feedback from your family, here and from the world at large that your words and thoughts are coming across in a way that is... I guess NOT what you are intending, but you have received intense feedback from multiple sources that what you are communicating is pissing people off.

And you seem set on continuing to try to get this (weird, hurtful) message out despite the feedback.

Look. You are ignoring the information you are getting. I don't know why, but it sounds like you are ignoring the light multiple sources have shown onto your blindspot.

You aren't being bullied. Stop. You are hurting people and so they are turning away. Evaluate your thoughts and the way you are presenting.

I guess you can come on a random message board and anonymously spew..just to get it out, but don't pretend you are trying to have an "intelligent" conversation when you are just being hurtful and obstinate...and don't be shocked that the community has rules and you get a consequence for violating them.

[meanprincess]

Moderators calling people fucking weirdos? Yikes.

[pixy0stix]

Oct 22, 2023 9:29:45 GMT -5 meanprincess said:

Oct 22, 2023 9:24:42 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Pushing back on what you were posting by asking for verified sources isn't bullying. Far from it.

This *waves arms* is troll behavior.

Where have I said anything about verifying sources as a reason for anything? I explicitly said I was bullied my being called an antisemite and a bigot, from posters who say that type of stuff doesn’t happen.

You weren't. All those posts are still there. You coming back and acting like a troll is what got you called those names.

[pixy0stix]

Oct 22, 2023 9:31:08 GMT -5 meanprincess said:

Moderators calling people fucking weirdos? Yikes.

Wait till HRH Queen Dick I comes in, lol!

[wildrice]

Oct 22, 2023 7:21:33 GMT -5 meanprincess said:

Look, I started posting about it in the first place because it’s a subject matter I feel strongly about. I thought I knew this place to be a space where intelligent, politically well versed people talked about this stuff.

But when I expressed how I have never felt that I could push back against my family members on their views in this, when it comes to any other subject matter I have no problem voicing my differing opinion against their right wing viewpoints. So it is with a sense of shame that I could not do that when I see obvious genocide happening before our eyes. A shame in my countries parts to play in this. I should be able to say those things are wrong without any fear of upsetting anyone, or starting an argument etc. but even sharing that I don’t speak on it with family, right here it was implied I was a bigot because of that!!

And yes I pressed a delete account button rather than just stepping away for a bit. Because I was bullied into silence for voicing my opinion on Israel’s (meaning not all Jews nor just one Prime Minister) murder of Palestinians, and I realized that is utter shit. That should not happen and it is a problem that’s happening in a lot of places.

We don't know you, which means frankly that nobody here cares about YOUR feelings. I am sorry you haven't felt like you can speak about this with your family, but they are a far more appropriate place to debate sensitive topics because they know your heart and you have a prior relationship with them. Coming in here as a total stranger and pushing back on the very valid feelings and opinions of regular posters who we DO know and have genuine caring for is like a stranger walking up to a group of your friends when one of them is crying/clearly upset and telling her why you think she doesn't have a right to cry. Whether you created a profile years ago or lurk or not, you don't post regularly so pushing back on everything goldengirlz says comes across as bullying.

If that is not your intent, I'm glad - but your impact is poor. Stop. If you want to use this community as a place to debate or share feelings, build relationships and a reputation for not being a troll first. I don't think this place is exclusionary, but we don't tolerate our members being harmed because of their religion/race/ethnicity/gender identity/etc.  Right now that's what you're doing. 

Finally, I don't think anyone is silencing anyone here about speaking out against the genocide against Palestinians, especially in recent days as more has happened in Gaza and we've found out more about it. Jewish and non-Jewish posters alike here are upset about this. Jewish and Palestinian people are grieving the deaths of their own people AND of those leaders in the middle east have killed. If you know Jewish people IRL who don't feel that way, take it up with them. That's not the sentiment here. 

[pixy0stix]

Fyi - she's doing something weird with her posts, trying to spam the board with one link.

[meanprincess]

Why does my post keep being deleted?

I deleted the one previously posted and would like this one to remain.
Why are you silencing me linking the article ‘A Brief History of the Netanyahu-Hamas Alliance’ but are happy to keep up posts where I am apparently “trolling”?

www.vtforeignpolicy.com/2023/10/a-brief-history-of-the-netanyahu-hamas-alliance/

[pixy0stix]

No one is silencing you. You tried spamming the thread with the same link over and over again.

[pixy0stix]

The link provided is from a website that is functionally no better than a message board. Anyone can submit articles. The articles aren't verified or backed up with any credentials.

This is why people are convinced you're a troll. First twitter, and now junk "news" websites.

[meanprincess]

www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/10/21/hamas-says-israel-refused-to-receive-2-hostages-israel-calls-it-propaganda

Of course we should all use our common sense and judgement that anything either group says is only that, what they say.
That they have motives for anything officially stated by Hamas or the Israel government.

It has also been said by Economy Minister Nir Barakat when speaking to ABC News, that “Hostages and civilian casualties will be secondary to destroying Hamas even if it takes a year.” That Gaza will become the “world’s biggest cemetery.”