Democrats openly talk about replacing Biden

[pixy0stix]

Jul 1, 2024 9:44:35 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

FWIW the Black people in my generation between ages 30-50 definitely aren’t happy with Biden in particular regarding abortion messaging and Palestine. So it’s been a rough couple of years. But of course we’ll vote for him, although I do know a couple of Black friends who say they don’t vote in general because of how fucked up the candidates are.

Now my parents generation of Black folks, as far as I can tell they’re happy with Biden and definitely got behind him especially since he was Obama’s VP. I don’t know if the Black community specifically would’ve been as excited about him if he wasn’t previously Obama’s VP.

But yes, in general the Black community does the "right" thing and gets in line and votes for the Democratic nominee. It will be interesting to see if there are any differences this election.

This is being born out in the polls. There was an article in WaPo today polling black men in GA (who carried the swing state in 2020). There's going to be a lot more non-voters this year.

[Pom]

If subject matter experts are being relied on in the Biden admin to make policy decisions every day rather than the old man at the head of the ticket, I think I’m okay with that. We are ALL ready for a change, but that ship has sailed. Is his poor performance on one debate going to flip me to the racist, rapist, misogynist stood up there lying and swearing to it? Nope. If you believe Trump is going to make the Israel Palestine situation better, explain to me how he’s described his planned action. The current administration has misstepped in a very complicated part of the world. It makes me sad and upset too. I can empathize with that. And it matters very much to many people. But letting the GOP run things will expand right wing power exponentially in the world. Guaranteed.

We are voting to get to the next election and keep insanity out of the White House.

[sonrisa]

Jul 1, 2024 10:07:49 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Jul 1, 2024 9:42:21 GMT -5 sonrisa said:

I think we are using ‘elected by’ in different ways.

You mean it as ‘the driving cultural force behind his candidacy’ and i’m using it as “voted for him and - in the case of those big money interests - threw a ton of money behind.”

You implied that those groups didn’t want him in office and they resented his selection. Their money tells a very different story. That doesn’t mean they were the driving factor in his selection, but he was the candidate they backed and rallied behind.

No, I'm using it correctly. Biden wasn't the chosen candidate in the primaries. He started campaigning later in the primary season and wasn't expected to do much. Then the black community saved us by choosing the establishment guy, the guy who wasn't flashy, the guy that moderates would vote for. The rest of us fell into line. I can dig up the articles from the time that talks about his nomination.

Then during the actual election, Biden carried the black vote, specifically in swing states that he would have lost without it.

Meanwhile, white women were voting for Trump.

yes, you are using it correctly, and I’m not making sense. I meant among white, rich democrats. Which is different than rich white people overall who favor republicans in general and voted for trump in droves. Across genders (as you pointed out). So not core democrat voters.

[sequins]

The talk of replacing Biden is a surefuckingfire way to get undecided or double hating people to stay home. I'm sorry but when voters say be better than GOP, that means restore our rights, not hold space for a public freakout like a therapy session. Our job as people who pay attention to politics is to go out and highlight the administration and their work and the amazing people Biden has surrounded himself with. Not publicly wring our hands that our old but good president did not live up to his Dark Brandon meme.

[sequins]

Jul 1, 2024 12:05:37 GMT -5 sonrisa said:

Jul 1, 2024 10:07:49 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

No, I'm using it correctly. Biden wasn't the chosen candidate in the primaries. He started campaigning later in the primary season and wasn't expected to do much. Then the black community saved us by choosing the establishment guy, the guy who wasn't flashy, the guy that moderates would vote for. The rest of us fell into line. I can dig up the articles from the time that talks about his nomination.

Then during the actual election, Biden carried the black vote, specifically in swing states that he would have lost without it.

Meanwhile, white women were voting for Trump.

yes, you are using it correctly, and I’m not making sense. I meant among white, rich democrats. Which is different than rich white people overall who favor republicans in general and voted for trump in droves. Across genders (as you pointed out). So not core democrat voters.

I understand both of your points. And I think the group sonrisa is referring to is the one publicly freaking out about debate performance. And in my cynical take, abdicating their responsibility to hold the fucking line at a critical moment. 

[cayl]

Jul 1, 2024 10:02:58 GMT -5 lilac05 said:

Jul 1, 2024 8:12:54 GMT -5 kadams767 said:

Sorry, but I disagree with this.  Trying to be better than the GOP and not use their playbook has gotten us fucked.  They suck, but if they can all somehow rally and unify around a human trash can like Trump, we can get it together and unify around Biden.  Like, the two options are not even remotely close, and this idea that Biden is incompetent is so misguided.  Disagreeing with policy and decisions are one thing, but he isn’t incompetent.  If the Dems nominate someone else, I don’t think they have a chance.  I think people are wearing some seriously rose-colored glasses if they truly believe there is some super secret progressive candidate that can pull everyone together and win this year.  And I say this as a NY democrat that lives in a serious blue bubble.  That momentum is not there.  

I’ve got my rose colored glasses on, and I’m OK with that. I think that anything is possible. And saying, “The Republicans do it, so we should, too” is not something I want to aspire to. We can do better.

And again, I think he’s been good. I think he’s doing fine. But I think anyone paying attention and truly looking at things critically should be able to see why people have concerns about what things will look like in 2027 while he’s still president. (Which is why I think they really need to hit the gas on highlighting his whole administration.)

My perspective comes from being in a very purple area. No, I don’t think that a new candidate would get a lot of momentum in places that are already solidly blue because those places will be blue no matter what…and they closed the door on a different option for President the moment Biden said he would run. But in our area, I know a LOT of people, Republicans and Democrats, who would be thrilled with a ticket that looks different than it does today. I think swing states could be really impacted by it. I honestly think that if anything changed on the ballot before Election Day, the non-Biden/Trump candidate would win, regardless of party.

We can agree to disagree, and that’s OK. But I don’t think it’s wise in 2024 to make decisions on what has/hasn’t worked in the past. This is a completely different situation than ever in the past. As per usual these days, we are in unprecedented times.

Intellectually, I agree with you - of course we should aspire to be better!  But then I look around and I see Dems upset because their guy has issues and being vocal about them, while the other side speaks about their candidate (an actual felon with so many issues it's a joke at this point) as if he's the second coming of Christ.  The result is that you have Biden getting criticism from all sides and not much praise, and Trump getting less criticism than Biden and lots of praise from his acolytes.  That worries me because if I was a moderate Republican (if such a thing even exists these days) and I was considering voting for Biden because I realize how flawed Trump is, but now I hear Biden's own party talking about how awful he is does that make me vote for Trump?  Does it make more people abstain from voting?

The time to aspire to be better than Republicans is not 4 months before the election.  It was during the last 4 years, when Dems should have been building their pipeline, finding better alternatives, and building name recognition.  Because Dems spend so much time infighting that never happened, and now here we are.  Do I wish we had a better alternative waiting in the wings?  Of course!  But we don't, so we need to support the nom we have, speak to his strengths, and hope like hell that he's surrounded by good people who can mitigate his weaknesses.  And if we are lucky enough to escape a second Trump term somehow we all need to put pressure on Dems to be better and find people that others will be excited to vote for.

[underwaterrhymes]

Jul 1, 2024 16:43:49 GMT -5 cayl said:

Jul 1, 2024 10:02:58 GMT -5 lilac05 said:

I’ve got my rose colored glasses on, and I’m OK with that. I think that anything is possible. And saying, “The Republicans do it, so we should, too” is not something I want to aspire to. We can do better.

And again, I think he’s been good. I think he’s doing fine. But I think anyone paying attention and truly looking at things critically should be able to see why people have concerns about what things will look like in 2027 while he’s still president. (Which is why I think they really need to hit the gas on highlighting his whole administration.)

My perspective comes from being in a very purple area. No, I don’t think that a new candidate would get a lot of momentum in places that are already solidly blue because those places will be blue no matter what…and they closed the door on a different option for President the moment Biden said he would run. But in our area, I know a LOT of people, Republicans and Democrats, who would be thrilled with a ticket that looks different than it does today. I think swing states could be really impacted by it. I honestly think that if anything changed on the ballot before Election Day, the non-Biden/Trump candidate would win, regardless of party.

We can agree to disagree, and that’s OK. But I don’t think it’s wise in 2024 to make decisions on what has/hasn’t worked in the past. This is a completely different situation than ever in the past. As per usual these days, we are in unprecedented times.

Intellectually, I agree with you - of course we should aspire to be better!  But then I look around and I see Dems upset because their guy has issues and being vocal about them, while the other side speaks about their candidate (an actual felon with so many issues it's a joke at this point) as if he's the second coming of Christ.  The result is that you have Biden getting criticism from all sides and not much praise, and Trump getting less criticism than Biden and lots of praise from his acolytes.  That worries me because if I was a moderate Republican (if such a thing even exists these days) and I was considering voting for Biden because I realize how flawed Trump is, but now I hear Biden's own party talking about how awful he is does that make me vote for Trump?  Does it make more people abstain from voting?

The time to aspire to be better than Republicans is not 4 months before the election.  It was during the last 4 years, when Dems should have been building their pipeline, finding better alternatives, and building name recognition.  Because Dems spend so much time infighting that never happened, and now here we are.  Do I wish we had a better alternative waiting in the wings?  Of course!  But we don't, so we need to support the nom we have, speak to his strengths, and hope like hell that he's surrounded by good people who can mitigate his weaknesses.  And if we are lucky enough to escape a second Trump term somehow we all need to put pressure on Dems to be better and find people that others will be excited to vote for.

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[cous0226]

CNN got in some after debate polling. Biden is still 5 pts behind which is exactly how it was before debate. I think this is great news honestly. We still have time.

[icedcoffee]

This is tough.

I'm a little WTF that his reasoning for the poor debate was his international travel which was like 12 days earlier. Come on, Joe. I think it's fair to say he's not up to the job of being president for the next 4 years. I will still vote for him because the alternative is horrendous and I trust the people he surrounds himself with, but I don't think people are wrong to want more out of their nominee.

[karinothing]

I think dems either need to have him resign or stop talking about this. This is horrible.

[wawa]

Jul 3, 2024 13:15:01 GMT -5 karinothing said:

I think dems either need to have him resign or stop talking about this. This is horrible.

I agree.  I think it says a lot about how shitty the division in our country is that it feels this way.  Like we can't have a conversation about the shortcomings of a democratic candidate where THEY can hear us. As if it's airing your family's dirty laundry in public. Team above country.  I hate it so so so so so much.

[lilac05]

Jul 3, 2024 13:15:01 GMT -5 karinothing said:

I think dems either need to have him resign or stop talking about this. This is horrible.

That would be nice…but people aren’t going to stop talking about it, especially the media, the Republicans, and the people who dislike both options. I really think their best option is to convince him to throw all of his support behind a Harris POTUS ticket.

This is not a “one bad debate” thing…people have been voicing their desires for someone else on the 2024 ticket before even the 2020 election (pretty sure we could find lots of threads about it right here…LOTS of people weren’t happy to have him as the candidate in 2020. LOTS of people wanted Harris.) The debate, I believe; was the straw that broke the camel’s back. He’s been a good President. His Administration has been as successful as could be with the legislative branch as it is. I think the best thing he could do right now is use all of his successes to 100% support a new name on the ballot, with perhaps some assurance that the Administration will not change (as much as possible).

[mcsangel2]

Jul 1, 2024 6:00:24 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

Debates don’t lose elections. If Biden loses it will be because of how he has handled Israel and Palestine.

1960 Richard Nixon disagrees with you about the bolded. 

[curbsideprophet]

Jul 3, 2024 13:15:01 GMT -5 karinothing said:

I think dems either need to have him resign or stop talking about this. This is horrible.

When you say resign, do you mean step down from the presidency now and Harris should be sworn in before the election so she can run as POTUS?

[cous0226]

The media is going to stay obsessed with this and it's so problematic because they feel the WH has been hiding info from them. Notice how quiet Trump and the R's have been. They are just enjoying us fighting it out. It's awful.

Biden is old and stubborn and thinks he's the only one who can beat Trump. Maybe that's true. He's not bailing though. I don't know how they will navigate the next 4 months. I do believe he has good and bad days and something medically is going on. It's all so sad.

[karinothing]

Jul 3, 2024 16:54:04 GMT -5 curbsideprophet said:

Jul 3, 2024 13:15:01 GMT -5 karinothing said:

I think dems either need to have him resign or stop talking about this. This is horrible.

When you say resign, do you mean step down from the presidency now and Harris should be sworn in before the election so she can run as POTUS?

I mean if he truly has cognitive issues then he needs to step down now. But otherwise, just step aside so harris can run. To be clear I am not advocating for either but the dem party talking about this is not going to help us win the election. I know we can't control what the media story is but we don't need our own party putting doubt out about the candidate unless there is really a  real concern about his ability to govern. 

ETA: 
For better at worst the GOP is usually in lock step and Dems have never been that way. I can see how it is beneficial to a campaign. 

[basilosaurus]

Keep in mind that if Harris runs, she'd have a very short time to build up a campaign war chest. Biden's won't transfer to her. While she does have name recognition, she's been mostly behind the scenes, as most VPs are.

I do kinda love the idea of Trump debating her because he hasn't had the years of experience denigrating her which is his only tactic. Childish insults and lies. But he doesn't have many automatic insults to toss her way.

Yes, I did want her in 2020, absolutely. But I want more than anything for anyone but trump. I'd even take a ham sandwich, and I hate ham sandwiches. I don't think Harris can do it in such a short amount of time.

[neverfstop]

Polling is looking brutal...


Majorities of every demographic group, including people planning to vote for Biden, say he's too old to be effective, according to a New York Times/Siena College poll released this afternoon.

Former President Trump now leads Biden by 6 percentage points in that poll, a 3-point gain since the debate.
A new Wall Street Journal poll also shows a 6-point lead for Trump, with 80% saying Biden is too old.

A "very broad swath of the House Democratic caucus representing diverse ideology, geography and backgrounds ... believes that a change in candidacy is necessary," one House Democrat told Axios' Andrew Solender.

🎤 What's next: Biden acknowledged to a key ally that he may not be able to stay in the race if he cannot turn things around soon, NYT reported.

The president and his allies are pinning their hopes on a Friday interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos and upcoming campaign stops.

www.axios.com/newsletters/axios-pm-8b064f10-3953-11ef-8666-e156a9e4b3bb.html

[neverfstop]

Jul 4, 2024 5:36:48 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

Keep in mind that if Harris runs, she'd have a very short time to build up a campaign war chest. Biden's won't transfer to her. While she does have name recognition, she's been mostly behind the scenes, as most VPs are.

That's not the info I('m seeing/hearing.... It looks like anything designated specifically to Biden-Harris would most likely stay with her.  It's messy either way & some of it depends on when how/he would drop out.


apnews.com/article/kamala-harris-biden-fundraising-election-campaign-donations-5709f07420b4f138caa884361653368e

I'm very frustrated by his team's response to this whole thing- it's the same gaslighting we see on the other side. The "just trust us" and "he's fine & doing great".  We clearly saw that Biden wasn't fine & it's not alight.  People have been concerned since 2020 about his age, health, and ability  to do the job.  That means being able to talk to anybody at any time & deliver his message and negotiate, debate, communicate and lead.  Reading from a teleprompter is not the full job & our country needs somebody who can have our full faith and confidence in this moment of multiple crises domestically and globally. Part of leadership is having a clear sense of the situation and stakes, the ability and self-awareness to know when you are part of the problem and not the solution.

I think he can be fine carrying on the next few months of his term, but he really should step aside as the nominee and recognize the party and our country need a better choice in this moment. It is NOT too late & we still have a chance to go down a different road. It would be crazy and chaotic and intense, but that's democracy sometimes.  We as a party have to be able to take the risk to do the right thing both for our party (all the down ballot races) and our country (anybody that has a better chance to beat Trump).

[basilosaurus]

neverfstop I'm guessing there are multiple floating theories passing as fact since this hasn't been done in modern times.

The closest I've seen floated for analogy is RFK.

I'm so sick of unprecedented or for reading the last time x happened was 19th century

[neverfstop]

Some more developments from yesterday...more top dem officials hinting they are open to an alternative nominee


www.axios.com/newsletters/axios-am-b46dfae0-3978-11ef-9b37-d13953b80010.html
Harris' epic edge

If President Biden steps aside, Vice President Harris would be almost impossible to beat for the nomination, thanks to endorsements, money, optics and 2028 politics, top officials tell Mike Allen and Jim VandeHei for a Behind the Curtain column.
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Rep. James Clyburn (D-S.C.), a Biden campaign co-chair, said in response to a question from Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC that he'd support Vice President Harris if Biden dropped out, although he wants the ticket to continue to be Biden-Harris. "This party should not, in any way, do any thing to work around Ms. Harris," he said. "We should do everything we can to bolster her."

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www.yahoo.com/news/dam-bursts-bidens-democrat-support-191112259.html

The outpouring of doubt comes after Pelosi told "MSNBC Reports," "I think it's a legitimate question to say, ‘Is this an episode or is this a condition?’ When people ask that question, it's completely legitimate of both candidates."

[magma]

Why not just flip the ticket? Harris as Prez and Biden as VP? I think it solves the fundraising issue as the funds are still being used for the ticket. Same with the argument that we can’t put up a Prez candidate who didn’t get the nomination - arguably, the ticket got the nomination. It could drive turnout and excitement from a younger more diverse population, who would stay home otherwise in protest of two old white guys. Could paint it as “keeping the experience and wisdom of Biden, but with an eye to the future.”

I just don’t see how you pull Harris out and replace her with somebody else.

[basilosaurus]

Jul 4, 2024 10:10:09 GMT -5 magma said:

Why not just flip the ticket? Harris as Prez and Biden as VP? I think it solves the fundraising issue as the funds are still being used for the ticket. Same with the argument that we can’t put up a Prez candidate who didn’t get the nomination - arguably, the ticket got the nomination. It could drive turnout and excitement from a younger more diverse population, who would stay home otherwise in protest of two old white guys. Could paint it as “keeping the experience and wisdom of Biden, but with an eye to the future.”

I just don’t see how you pull Harris out and replace her with somebody else.

Personally I like this idea and have seen it floated elsewhere

[wanderingback]

This is all a hot mess. Biden’s age has always been a problem. I’m going to assume he has typical age slowing in private. Why a few months before the election Democratic insiders are now expressing concern?! Clearly we’re in unprecedented times since the Trump presidency so they def could’ve figured out a plan that made sense and could still beat a Republican before now. I know Biden himself never said he was only going to do 1 term, but that doesn’t mean the party couldn’t have seen what can happen to an 81 year old man after being president for 4 years. So frustrating.

[neverfstop]

Jul 4, 2024 11:44:22 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

This is all a hot mess. Biden’s age has always been a problem. I’m going to assume he has typical age slowing in private. Why a few months before the election Democratic insiders are now expressing concern?! Clearly we’re in unprecedented times since the Trump presidency so they def could’ve figured out a plan that made sense and could still beat a Republican before now. I know Biden himself never said he was only going to do 1 term, but that doesn’t mean the party couldn’t have seen what can happen to an 81 year old man after being president for 4 years. So frustrating.

For me, the reason it's an issue now is that the Biden team wanted this early debate to "prove" he was capable and ready to lead.  He doesn't do anything unscripted anymore or without a teleprompter.  They set up all the rules in this debate to favor him & he failed miserably.   The polling continues to decline and look worse.  A few months ago, we were waiting to see if Trump would be convicted and that would turn more people away from him (it didn't).  We were thinking the economic turnaround would improve Biden's number (it didn't).  There were hopes that once people paid more attention or got closer to the election, his poll numbers would improve (they haven't).   People have been expressing concerns for months.  There's been increasing reporting for many more months about the impacts of his health/age on his ability to do a job.  I don't see this as a sudden thing, but more of a tipping point where he's been given the benefit of the doubt and people have lost confidence. 

I don't think Harris-Biden would work. He's never go back to VP.  It's time for him to step aside. If he's too old to be POTUS, he shouldn't be back up POTUS.  Also, imagine how much his aging over her 4 years would make the discussions about him & his need to retire mid-term.  He never explicitly said he was 1-term, but everybody did a "wink+nod" and it was understood. He talked about being the 'bridge to the next generation', indicating he'd pass the torch.  He & Jill are putting his own power and ego above what's best for the country right now. 

[wanderingback]

Jul 4, 2024 11:58:12 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

Jul 4, 2024 11:44:22 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

This is all a hot mess. Biden’s age has always been a problem. I’m going to assume he has typical age slowing in private. Why a few months before the election Democratic insiders are now expressing concern?! Clearly we’re in unprecedented times since the Trump presidency so they def could’ve figured out a plan that made sense and could still beat a Republican before now. I know Biden himself never said he was only going to do 1 term, but that doesn’t mean the party couldn’t have seen what can happen to an 81 year old man after being president for 4 years. So frustrating.

For me, the reason it's an issue now is that the Biden team wanted this early debate to "prove" he was capable and ready to lead.  He doesn't do anything unscripted anymore or without a teleprompter.  They set up all the rules in this debate to favor him & he failed miserably.   The polling continues to decline and look worse.  A few months ago, we were waiting to see if Trump would be convicted and that would turn more people away from him (it didn't).  We were thinking the economic turnaround would improve Biden's number (it didn't).  There were hopes that once people paid more attention or got closer to the election, his poll numbers would improve (they haven't).   People have been expressing concerns for months.  There's been increasing reporting for many more months about the impacts of his health/age on his ability to do a job.  I don't see this as a sudden thing, but more of a tipping point where he's been given the benefit of the doubt and people have lost confidence. 

I don't think Harris-Biden would work. He's never go back to VP.  It's time for him to step aside. If he's too old to be POTUS, he shouldn't be back up POTUS.  Also, imagine how much his aging over her 4 years would make the discussions about him & his need to retire mid-term.  He never explicitly said he was 1-term, but everybody did a "wink+nod" and it was understood. He talked about being the 'bridge to the next generation', indicating he'd pass the torch.  He & Jill are putting his own power and ego above what's best for the country right now. 

No I wasn’t talking about why you/the general public are just now seeing an issue about it. My post was about the Democratic Party/ these insiders "leaking" info about their concern. There’s no way that Biden just all of a sudden showed his age at this debate. They’ve known for awhile he’s old/slowing down. Why now all of a sudden these alarm bells when this could have been avoided with a plan.

[magma]

Jul 4, 2024 11:58:12 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

Jul 4, 2024 11:44:22 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

This is all a hot mess. Biden’s age has always been a problem. I’m going to assume he has typical age slowing in private. Why a few months before the election Democratic insiders are now expressing concern?! Clearly we’re in unprecedented times since the Trump presidency so they def could’ve figured out a plan that made sense and could still beat a Republican before now. I know Biden himself never said he was only going to do 1 term, but that doesn’t mean the party couldn’t have seen what can happen to an 81 year old man after being president for 4 years. So frustrating.

For me, the reason it's an issue now is that the Biden team wanted this early debate to "prove" he was capable and ready to lead.  He doesn't do anything unscripted anymore or without a teleprompter.  They set up all the rules in this debate to favor him & he failed miserably.   The polling continues to decline and look worse.  A few months ago, we were waiting to see if Trump would be convicted and that would turn more people away from him (it didn't).  We were thinking the economic turnaround would improve Biden's number (it didn't).  There were hopes that once people paid more attention or got closer to the election, his poll numbers would improve (they haven't).   People have been expressing concerns for months.  There's been increasing reporting for many more months about the impacts of his health/age on his ability to do a job.  I don't see this as a sudden thing, but more of a tipping point where he's been given the benefit of the doubt and people have lost confidence. 

I don't think Harris-Biden would work. He's never go back to VP.  It's time for him to step aside. If he's too old to be POTUS, he shouldn't be back up POTUS.  Also, imagine how much his aging over her 4 years would make the discussions about him & his need to retire mid-term.  He never explicitly said he was 1-term, but everybody did a "wink+nod" and it was understood. He talked about being the 'bridge to the next generation', indicating he'd pass the torch.  He & Jill are putting his own power and ego above what's best for the country right now. 

I can’t imagine anybody would give a darn if VP Biden retired in 2026. Shrug. They’d be thankful he put the best interest of the country ahead of us own ego but still used his name power/brand to get them elected. They’d throw him a nice party and say happy retirement, and pick someone young and energetic to take his place/position the Dems for the future.

[basilosaurus]

Could Harris even get on the tickets in most states at this point? I certainly don't want the future of democracy hinging on a national write in campaign

[neverfstop]

This is his best response? And also a joke??

Biden told governors he needs to get more sleep, avoid events after 8 p.m.
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Biden responded that he had received a medical checkup since last week’s presidential debate and remains in good health. “It’s just my brain,” he said, according to people briefed on the meeting, a remark that staffers were quick to describe as a jest.

wapo.st/4cKjMby

[neverfstop]

Jul 4, 2024 12:46:20 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

Could Harris even get on the tickets in most states at this point? I certainly don't want the future of democracy hinging on a national write in campaign

Whoever the D's nominate at the convention (Aug 19)  is on the ballots in every state. 

Now, it really matters if he drops out and releases his delegates. I don't think we'd have an open challenge if he's still attempting to get the nomination...

There was supposed to be a virtual roll call (Aug 7)  before the actual convention but it appears that has been cancelled. I assume he'd need ot make a decision to drop out in the next few weeks to give time for the dust to settle and for he party to rally around a presumptive nominee before the convention.  If he drops out and doesn't endorse Harris, I think it would make for a messy convention.  But I do really feel like he owes her an endorsement- he initially picked her to be #2 in line and most qualified and ready to be POTUS.  So it would be a big slap in the face if he didn't put his full faith and confidence and endorsement behind her now.