Democrats openly talk about replacing Biden

[sequins]

Are people really looking for a young, far-left candidate? Like in real life?

Like, Biden ran in 2020, in a primary against amazing people. There was no shortage of diversity, age, sex and race-wise. The country picked an old, white, center-left man. What makes people here believe that bernie bros, hillary to trump swingers, double haters, etc will vote for Kamala on the top of the ticket? The right has already run a 4 year long smear campaign against her where my real-life democratic friends think she is unelectable because of her prosecutor background (a self-fulfilling prophecy for sure). Are these people going to vote for a Kamala-Whitmer ticket? Does this seem likely?

[stuffandthings]

Jul 5, 2024 22:03:52 GMT -5 sequins said:

Are people really looking for a young, far-left candidate? Like in real life?

Like, Biden ran in 2020, in a primary against amazing people. There was no shortage of diversity, age, sex and race-wise. The country picked an old, white, center-left man. What makes people here believe that bernie bros, hillary to trump swingers, double haters, etc will vote for Kamala on the top of the ticket? The right has already run a 4 year long smear campaign against her where my real-life democratic friends think she is unelectable because of her prosecutor background (a self-fulfilling prophecy for sure). Are these people going to vote for a Kamala-Whitmer ticket? Does this seem likely?

But that’s the thing—Kamala is also a centrist. She’s just younger by twenty years, which addresses the main complaint that everyone has with both Biden and Trump—that they’re too old.

I think the 2020 primary is actually part of the reason this is happening now—a lot of folks fell in line behind Biden in the end in 2020 because they felt he was positioning himself as a “bridge” candidate between the horrors of Trump and a new wave of younger Democratic folks. Biden was supposed to be the person who got us past Trump so we could start prepping the back-benchers to take over. Except then Biden said he wanted to run again and nobody really seemed willing to press the issue until it was impossible to ignore.

As far as I can tell (and I’m not an expert, I’m just looking at what’s available publicly), the polls do seem to indicate that Harris (and Whitmer) would do better than Biden in a head-to-head against Trump.

[sequins]

Jul 5, 2024 22:25:17 GMT -5 stuffandthings said:

Jul 5, 2024 22:03:52 GMT -5 sequins said:

Are people really looking for a young, far-left candidate? Like in real life?

Like, Biden ran in 2020, in a primary against amazing people. There was no shortage of diversity, age, sex and race-wise. The country picked an old, white, center-left man. What makes people here believe that bernie bros, hillary to trump swingers, double haters, etc will vote for Kamala on the top of the ticket? The right has already run a 4 year long smear campaign against her where my real-life democratic friends think she is unelectable because of her prosecutor background (a self-fulfilling prophecy for sure). Are these people going to vote for a Kamala-Whitmer ticket? Does this seem likely?

But that’s the thing—Kamala is also a centrist. She’s just younger by twenty years, which addresses the main complaint that everyone has with both Biden and Trump—that they’re too old.

I think the 2020 primary is actually part of the reason this is happening now—a lot of folks fell in line behind Biden in the end in 2020 because they felt he was positioning himself as a “bridge” candidate between the horrors of Trump and a new wave of younger Democratic folks. Biden was supposed to be the person who got us past Trump so we could start prepping the back-benchers to take over. Except then Biden said he wanted to run again and nobody really seemed willing to press the issue until it was impossible to ignore.

As far as I can tell (and I’m not an expert, I’m just looking at what’s available publicly), the polls do seem to indicate that Harris (and Whitmer) would do better than Biden in a head-to-head against Trump.

You might be more optimistic than me but to half the country, a black-indian woman president is radical left. And the other half thinks she is a prosecutor who hates both black roots and indian roots.

I don't know how many people voted for Biden to be a bridge to a new generation, I thought it was a combo of nostalgia from Obama and safe-white-male. Also, the bridge thing might be true if we had got past trump. If RonD is running then we might have taken a chance on someone else. But it's trump again.

[Bad Dingo]

Most of the anti-Biden rhetoric I hear is regarding Palestine and no Democrat is going to solve that, particularly not someone already in his administration.

[underwaterrhymes]

Jul 5, 2024 23:02:57 GMT -5 sequins said:

Jul 5, 2024 22:25:17 GMT -5 stuffandthings said:

But that’s the thing—Kamala is also a centrist. She’s just younger by twenty years, which addresses the main complaint that everyone has with both Biden and Trump—that they’re too old.

I think the 2020 primary is actually part of the reason this is happening now—a lot of folks fell in line behind Biden in the end in 2020 because they felt he was positioning himself as a “bridge” candidate between the horrors of Trump and a new wave of younger Democratic folks. Biden was supposed to be the person who got us past Trump so we could start prepping the back-benchers to take over. Except then Biden said he wanted to run again and nobody really seemed willing to press the issue until it was impossible to ignore.

As far as I can tell (and I’m not an expert, I’m just looking at what’s available publicly), the polls do seem to indicate that Harris (and Whitmer) would do better than Biden in a head-to-head against Trump.

You might be more optimistic than me but to half the country, a black-indian woman president is radical left. And the other half thinks she is a prosecutor who hates both black roots and indian roots.

I don't know how many people voted for Biden to be a bridge to a new generation, I thought it was a combo of nostalgia from Obama and safe-white-male. Also, the bridge thing might be true if we had got past trump. If RonD is running then we might have taken a chance on someone else. But it's trump again.

I love Harris and she was my choice for the presidency back in 2020. But I agree with everything you wrote here (although I do think she has a decent amount of support, there are many on the left who are unhappy with her former role as a prosecutor). Also, she has not been elevated to the degree that she should be. She has accomplished a lot as VP, but no one knows all of the amazing things she has done.

[neverfstop]

This country elected a black president before.
This country elected a woman by more than 3 million votes & the electoral collage that was set up to protect small slave owning states and the minority subverted the will of the majority of the people in this country, as it was designed to do.

Yes, every candidate would attached by Trump/GOP. Yes, she's got some historical baggage. Yes, Biden/team did NOT do as good a job as they should have in preparing her and showcasing her gifts and talents. Yes, people want almost any alternative to a Biden/Trump rematch. Coming out of COVID, people were scared and wanted the safest best to beat Trump, which was Biden. Yes, Harris has done great on capitalizing on the abortion issues & really making it a core issue in this election. Yes, she could clean the floor with Trump in a debate (assuming he's show up).

There's still time for the democratic party to dot he right thing & change course to another candidate if he steps back. I feel like the tide is turning. Biden did "ok" in a big interview yesterday, but I think the ship has sailed. Too many people have lost confidence in him & the façade has been pierced. He said he'd drop out "if the lord almighty" tells him to do so.

[basilosaurus]

Just tonight I was engaged in discussion with a woman of Indian descent, largely raised in Australia, Malaysia, uk. She's very smart and informed.

This question inevitably came around. She said Harris has done absolutely nothing. That I blame on democrats 100%. Terrible about messaging

I agree with pp, and I shared this with her, and she also agreed. By being a black Indian woman some will automatically label her radical left. Her role as prosecutor makes her to some far right. 0 of this has anything with her, her experiences, her positions

[elleblue]

Biden Narrows Gap With Trump in Swing States Despite Debate Loss

Republican Donald Trump led Democrat Biden by only 2 percentage points, 47% to 45%, in the critical states needed to win the November election. That's the smallest gap since the poll began last October. Biden now leads Trump in Michigan and Wisconsin. He’s within the poll’s statistical margin of error in Arizona, Georgia, Nevada and North Carolina, and is farthest behind in the critical state of Pennsylvania.

[fryjack2]

Jul 6, 2024 5:41:34 GMT -5 Bad Dingo said:

Most of the anti-Biden rhetoric I hear is regarding Palestine and no Democrat is going to solve that, particularly not someone already in his administration.

100%.

As much as it kills me to vote for him, I am doing so for reasons already stated by others.  Another Trump presidency and possible ramifications of Supreme Court decisions is terrifying. 

How these are the two unfit options we have to pick between is mind blowing. 

[basilosaurus]

Jul 6, 2024 15:21:18 GMT -5 fryjack2 said:

Jul 6, 2024 5:41:34 GMT -5 Bad Dingo said:

Most of the anti-Biden rhetoric I hear is regarding Palestine and no Democrat is going to solve that, particularly not someone already in his administration.

100%.

As much as it kills me to vote for him, I am doing so for reasons already stated by others.  Another Trump presidency and possible ramifications of Supreme Court decisions is terrifying. 

How these are the two unfit options we have to pick between is mind blowing. 

This is what I don't get about people. He's been awful on Palestine. The other guy would be far worse. Every single thing I could complain about Biden, he's still better than the alternative. Sometimes by a wide margin, sometimes by a small margin.

In 2016 I didn't love hrc. I thought her too centrist and too much a war hawk. But you bet your ass I walked my neighborhood canvassing for her. Every single thing about tfg is wrong and evil. Where they're weak or wrong, they're still better.

[elleblue]

Oh look, right on time.

[underwaterrhymes]

Jul 6, 2024 21:16:44 GMT -5 elleblue said:

Oh look, right on time.

Ugh, these assholes.

I do not think replacing Biden is the best course of action at this time, but if anyone is qualified to replace him or, in fact, even should replace him, it’s Harris and any other discussion should be a non-starter.

[basilosaurus]

Yep she's obviously a radical because she has 3 minority credits. She's also a radical in the other direction for her previous job.

Facts and records are meaningless

[neverfstop]

On a call with House Minority Leader Jeffries yesterday, four senior House Democrats said they hoped Biden will end his campaign: Reps. Jerry Nadler (N.Y.), Joe Morelle (N.Y.), Adam Smith (Wash.) and Mark Takano (Calif.). They're the ranking members of the Judiciary, House Administration, Armed Services and Veterans Affairs committees, respectively.

🏛️ The intrigue: Biden might have bought some time after Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.), decided not to hold a planned meeting with other Democrats to discuss Biden this evening. Instead, they'll hold the conversation during tomorrow's regular caucus lunch.

www.axios.com/2024/07/08/biden-braces-tough-week-dc-campaign-2024

[underwaterrhymes]

I fully believe that if Biden drops out, we will lose in a huge way.

[lilac05]

Jul 8, 2024 7:57:16 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

I fully believe that if Biden drops out, we will lose in a huge way.

I find all of this fascinating, because I fully believe that if Biden drops out, the Democrats will likely win easily. There’s a lot of energy in my very purple area behind “anyone but Trump/Biden.”

FWIW, I feel like the same would be true if Trump were to be out of the race.

[neverfstop]

Jul 8, 2024 7:57:16 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

I fully believe that if Biden drops out, we will lose in a huge way.

I'm convinced that we will get clobbered if he stays in, he will depress turn out all down the ballot and cost seats at the federal, state, and local level....

[prettyinpearls]

Jul 5, 2024 13:13:04 GMT -5 mcsangel2 said:

Does anyone else listen to The Rest is Politics - US podcast with Katty Kay (from MSNBC) and Anthony Scaramucci? They said their separate sources have told them Biden will be out of the race by the end of July - Scaramucci's sources have said Biden will resign so Harris can assume the presidency, to make it easier to transfer the campaign war chest to her. If this happens (hard to imagine but at least I'll be prepared if it does), my guess from other things I've heard and read is that Gretchen Whitmer will be tapped for VP (think MI and PA name recognition as they are the 2 most important swing states).

As a Michigander who lives in a red area, I would LOVE for this to happen and watch all the MAGAs squirm. I see all the #makeliberalscryagain around here that it would definitely flip the script. 

I absolutely love Whitmer and would be so proud to vote for a Harris/Whitmer ticket.  

[stuffandthings]

Jul 8, 2024 9:26:29 GMT -5 lilac05 said:

Jul 8, 2024 7:57:16 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

I fully believe that if Biden drops out, we will lose in a huge way.

I find all of this fascinating, because I fully believe that if Biden drops out, the Democrats will likely win easily. There’s a lot of energy in my very purple area behind “anyone but Trump/Biden.”

FWIW, I feel like the same would be true if Trump were to be out of the race.

I live in Madison, WI, which is one of the main blue vote-getting areas in swing-state Wisconsin. If Biden stays in, I think we're in big trouble. Madison liberals skew young and were already kind of resentful about having to vote for Biden in 2020. He's not hugely popular here and we NEED to rack up votes in Madison and Milwaukee to win WI.

[pixy0stix]

sigh...

What people see locally and then report to this board is rarely reflected nationally. In general, everyone who posts on this board is well informed and probably has friends that are well informed. The people who vote, in general according to statistics, operate on basic information. I would wager that the average voter heard about the debate, saw some news, and is continuing about their lives. If they're D they're going to vote for Biden. If they're R they're either not going to vote or they'll vote Trump.

The voter turnout for this election was always going to be low.

ETA: The polls so far bear this out, Biden didn't lose any support according to most of the polls - thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4757918-joe-biden-donald-trump-swing-states-bloomberg-morning-consult-survey/

[pixy0stix]

Anecdote - I saw only one Trump sign/shirt/whatever when I went home to western Nebraska last week. Which, over the years, is fairly unheard of. Usually there's a ton of Trump signs and a bunch of shirts proclaiming something degrading about the D's or in support of Trump/Republicans.

It was weird. I really think we're probably going to see the lowest voter turnout in recent history.

[icedcoffee]

Jul 8, 2024 11:57:21 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Anecdote - I saw only one Trump sign/shirt/whatever when I went home to western Nebraska last week. Which, over the years, is fairly unheard of. Usually there's a ton of Trump signs and a bunch of shirts proclaiming something degrading about the D's or in support of Trump/Republicans.

It was weird. I really think we're probably going to see the lowest voter turnout in recent history.

I have driven up through central PA in July for the past 3 years. These towns the past 2 years have been just once house after another with Trump signs. I just did the drive Saturday and there were maybe 25% of what I saw even a year ago. It was a bit reassuring.

[underwaterrhymes]

Also… Y’all know who Scaramucci is, right? Why is his voice meaningful to anyone?

[picksthemusic]

Jul 8, 2024 18:31:16 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

Also… Y’all know who Scaramucci is, right? Why is his voice meaningful to anyone?

Agreed.

Also, that one part of Bohemian Rhapsody immediately plays in my head any time I read/hear his name...

[mcsangel2]

Jul 8, 2024 18:31:16 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

Also… Y’all know who Scaramucci is, right? Why is his voice meaningful to anyone?

Is that a dig at me? The pod is pretty center-left. Mooch still identifies as R, but of the party as it doesn't exist anymore (according to him). And he hates Trump and puts him down pretty regularly. Maybe listen to an episode before putting it down.

[underwaterrhymes]

Jul 9, 2024 11:15:23 GMT -5 mcsangel2 said:

Jul 8, 2024 18:31:16 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

Also… Y’all know who Scaramucci is, right? Why is his voice meaningful to anyone?

Is that a dig at me? The pod is pretty center-left. Mooch still identifies as R, but of the party as it doesn't exist anymore (according to him). And he hates Trump and puts him down pretty regularly. Maybe listen to an episode before putting it down.

Not a knock at you as a person. However, you indicated that Scaramucci said his “sources” have said Biden will be resigning. Regardless of what political party he currently identifies with or how much he currently hates Trump, he is not a reliable or insightful source. He is a whole hot mess, who - at one point - predicted Trump would win 40 states in the 2020 election. I would not believe a single word that comes out of his mouth.

I don’t know anything about Katty Kay, so cannot express an opinion on her, but Scaramucci is vile and so I will not be giving the podcast a second of my time.

[somersault72]

Jul 8, 2024 11:57:21 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Anecdote - I saw only one Trump sign/shirt/whatever when I went home to western Nebraska last week. Which, over the years, is fairly unheard of. Usually there's a ton of Trump signs and a bunch of shirts proclaiming something degrading about the D's or in support of Trump/Republicans.

It was weird. I really think we're probably going to see the lowest voter turnout in recent history.

I think you may be right re: voter turnout.

Most of the (lazy? stubborn?) Trumpsters in our area ever took any of their flags/signs/etc down from 2020. There is a street maybe 5 miles from my house and almost every house has Trump propaganda out (it's a rural area, so it's not THAT many houses, but still). But none of it's new---it's all from the 2020 election, they just never took it down. I'm trying to think of ANYONE, politician or not, I would advertise in my yard for 5ish years. LOL 

[Jalapeñomel]

I'm the opposite. I've seen more Trump bumper stickers than ever before, and I live in a fairly very blue area.

[pixy0stix]

House Democrats subtly start accepting that Biden may be in race to stay

www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/09/congressional-democrats-biden-house-senate/

It's not a gift article, but basically everyone is backing down.

Also, Biden himself has been clear he's staying in the race.

[beerlover]

Jul 8, 2024 12:23:44 GMT -5 icedcoffee said:

Jul 8, 2024 11:57:21 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Anecdote - I saw only one Trump sign/shirt/whatever when I went home to western Nebraska last week. Which, over the years, is fairly unheard of. Usually there's a ton of Trump signs and a bunch of shirts proclaiming something degrading about the D's or in support of Trump/Republicans.

It was weird. I really think we're probably going to see the lowest voter turnout in recent history.

I have driven up through central PA in July for the past 3 years. These towns the past 2 years have been just once house after another with Trump signs. I just did the drive Saturday and there were maybe 25% of what I saw even a year ago. It was a bit reassuring.

Central PA'er here. The street over from mine has a house with giant sign that says "Jesus is my Savior, Trump is my President", OMFG.

There's another huge wooden Trump/Pence sign up the road from me where Pence's name is blacked out, lol.

I do think there are fewer signs overall though.