I got worried about Tebogo but then when I saw it was Rai Benjamin running anchor I was able to relax a little lol.
And then once the women were basically lapping everyone else I sooooo badly wanted Ireland to medal, but I knew the Netherlands would come from behind so their only hope was bronze and then of all teams, Great Britain slid in there for the bronze. Sigh.
I am seeing things on Twitter that only the last gymnast has 1 minute for the inquiry. Everyone else has 3 or 4 minutes or until the next gymnast goes? Can anyone confirm this? If this is true then this is even more ridiculous. Why is it different for the last gymnast?
Yes, the other gymnasts have until the next gymnast finishes their routine. So yes, they have more time to submit an inquiry.
The last gymnast has one minute for a verbal inquiry which must be followed by a written inquiry within four minutes. Considering a routine is 90 seconds max I’m not sure that the last gymnast is at a significant disadvantage timewise to file an inquiry.
Post by Velar Fricative on Aug 10, 2024 19:10:10 GMT -5
It’s one source, but the Gymcastic Twitter account posted that FIG and the IOC asked Jordan to return her medal even though the US and Romania agreed to share the medal. I really hope that’s not true, wtf is wrong with the IOC? Besides, well, everything.
It’s one source, but the Gymcastic Twitter account posted that FIG and the IOC asked Jordan to return her medal even though the US and Romania agreed to share the medal. I really hope that’s not true, wtf is wrong with the IOC? Besides, well, everything.
Because it’s not a tie. Yes it would be great if the end result was a tie and a shared bronze and in that case give one to Voinea also since she actually tied for third. It sucks. But it’s the right move IMO.
It’s one source, but the Gymcastic Twitter account posted that FIG and the IOC asked Jordan to return her medal even though the US and Romania agreed to share the medal. I really hope that’s not true, wtf is wrong with the IOC? Besides, well, everything.
Because it’s not a tie. Yes it would be great if the end result was a tie and a shared bronze and in that case give one to Voinea also since she actually tied for third. It sucks. But it’s the right move IMO.
I know it’s not a tie but it was a colossal screwup by the judges. This move is unprecedented. In 2002 they didn’t take away the gold from the Russian pairs skating team when they upgraded the Canadian pair’s medals.
Because it’s not a tie. Yes it would be great if the end result was a tie and a shared bronze and in that case give one to Voinea also since she actually tied for third. It sucks. But it’s the right move IMO.
I know it’s not a tie but it was a colossal screwup by the judges. This move is unprecedented. In 2002 they didn’t take away the gold from the Russian pairs skating team when they upgraded the Canadian pair’s medals.
Exactly. The judges screwed up. I get that it sucks for the person who finished 4th with the reinstated scores. They would have the people around them share the bronze, and be left empty handed.
Post by neverfstop on Aug 10, 2024 20:36:24 GMT -5
Interesting.... thoughts?
When Olympic Sponsors Go Rogue LVMH and Samsung intruded on previously sacrosanct spaces at the Paris Games, angering fellow sponsors and raising concerns about a repeat at the closing ceremony.
Yes, the other gymnasts have until the next gymnast finishes their routine. So yes, they have more time to submit an inquiry.
The last gymnast has one minute for a verbal inquiry which must be followed by a written inquiry within four minutes. Considering a routine is 90 seconds max I’m not sure that the last gymnast is at a significant disadvantage timewise to file an inquiry.
Given this is all over 4 seconds, I would say a minimum of at least an additional 30 seconds is an advantage to everyone else. Do others have from the time their score is posted until the next gymnast is finished? How much time is there between a score being posted and the next person starting?
There also seems to be some debate as to how this was actually timed. I have not seen anything that shows a run time and that proves they were late with the inquiry.
When Olympic Sponsors Go Rogue LVMH and Samsung intruded on previously sacrosanct spaces at the Paris Games, angering fellow sponsors and raising concerns about a repeat at the closing ceremony.
Eh- They had money to donate & I think it's also very France-specific sponsor, so I just saw it as making the Olympics more french.
I also saw it as just being more French. The parade clothes and the event uniforms are sponsored, so I don't follow the "sacrosanct space" logic.
I like that they try to reduce the company logos, but I don't think it's a huge deal. LV didn't sneak a boat and a video of luggage making. Someone approved it. Someone approved the McDs sign. Someone approved giving Suni a phone. No biggie to me, though I think I'd rather it be approved and regulated then when a random Pepsi bottle shows up on a podium for a press conference. Allow an athlete to say no. (So don't allow ads on fields of play.)
I did see some logical reasoning for why - it’s because she got knocked down to fifth, not fourth. You can’t have third and fifth share a bronze but not fourth. HOWEVER, the IOC still could have gone full Oprah and given all three medals since none of them did anything wrong and the judges screwed up.
I still don’t get how the judges didn’t know the inquiry was late. If there is a time limit, shouldn’t somebody, you know, be checking the time right there and then?
I'm sorry. I am completely obsessed with virtually every sport in the Olympics. I love curling. I love ping pong. I love the gymnastics with the twirly ribbon. I don't want to minimize anyone's passion, but I am having a lot of trouble taking breakdancing seriously. I kept getting that uncomfortable secondhand embarrassing feeling when they introduced themselves as "b-girls", and the battle format just makes me think of cheesy movie plots. ("It's a mothafucking walk off!")
I'm sorry I really wanted to like it.
I will try again with the guys.
Yeah….
I know nothing about this sport of course, but it seems like you could take any elite gymnast, train them up for a month or two, and they’d be a medalist at breaking. 🤷♀️
Haven't you seen save the last dance? Taking someone formally trained and introducing them to informal street style is hard! I can see all the "imperfect" forms that breaking requires being extremely challenging for someone trained all their life to have such straight and clean lines and practice a routine over and over and over until they do it in their dreams.
I'm nowhere near professional skill, but I also relate it to how jazz and improv was so difficult for me on piano when I've been trained in classical and lounge bar (yeah, I know that's weird, but it made it engaging for a kid to play madonna, too), and I was rubbish at even blues which is pretty formulaic.
Very different skills. I'm mostly teasing, but not entirely.
It's so bizarre to me that the IOC is creating this havoc just for the "wrong" Romanian athlete to get the bronze. I feel like the judges made the mistake, yet the athletes and countries are getting the blame.
It doesn't make sense that they can't share. At this point, give 3 bronzes and have it done with.
Post by whattheheck on Aug 11, 2024 9:25:00 GMT -5
USOPC is going to appeal the CAS decision re women’s floor final.
ETA - I haven’t heard an official statement that Voinea’s deduction was for out of bounds. There’s a rule about only putting two feet down before a tumbling pass for one pass and she did that twice. So that could have been her penalty.
I'm glad they are appealing the decision. 4 seconds feels so nebulous.
Share the medal. That's what everyone involved wants. Judges messed up, don't make the athlete suffer because of 4 seconds.
Especially because when everything was scored correctly, Chiles DID earn the medal.
So should the IOC also revisit Paul Hamm’s gold medal because when everything was scored correctly he was in silver position?
ETA USAG just put out a statement that they have video evidence showing that the inquiry was submitted at 47 seconds and again at 55 seconds. This is getting really wild.
Especially because when everything was scored correctly, Chiles DID earn the medal.
So should the IOC also revisit Paul Hamm’s gold medal because when everything was scored correctly he was in silver position?
ETA USAG just put out a statement that they have video evidence showing that the inquiry was submitted at 47 seconds and again at 55 seconds. This is getting really wild.
If the Koreans appealed the score in a timely fashion, then yes. I can't find an article that says when they appealed it. If it was the next day, nope. If it was as quickly as they were able to afterwards, yes.
Especially because when everything was scored correctly, Chiles DID earn the medal.
So should the IOC also revisit Paul Hamm’s gold medal because when everything was scored correctly he was in silver position?
ETA USAG just put out a statement that they have video evidence showing that the inquiry was submitted at 47 seconds and again at 55 seconds. This is getting really wild.
I thought they did ask for Hamm’s medal and he said haha nope? Maybe I’m misremembering. A lot has happened in 20 years.
That USAG statement is something. Wow. Sounds like they gave receipts ready to go. What a trainwreck. My heart goes out to both Ana and Jordan. The athletes should never be punished for this and yet here we are.
Looking at it from the outside, I don't really understand why the Romanian wants the bronze now. If I knew my performance wasn't really a bronze medal performance and I was winning it due to a technicality, it wouldn't feel the same. I don't think I'd want a medal that I didn't feel like I really earned. Who knows, though,easy to say from the outside.
So should the IOC also revisit Paul Hamm’s gold medal because when everything was scored correctly he was in silver position?
ETA USAG just put out a statement that they have video evidence showing that the inquiry was submitted at 47 seconds and again at 55 seconds. This is getting really wild.
I thought they did ask for Hamm’s medal and he said haha nope? Maybe I’m misremembering. A lot has happened in 20 years.
That USAG statement is something. Wow. Sounds like they gave receipts ready to go. What a trainwreck. My heart goes out to both Ana and Jordan. The athletes should never be punished for this and yet here we are.
Sooooo they “encouraged” him to give back the medal, but he was not required. Nothing changed with his scores, and the same court (CAS) that made this week’s decision also made the decision against the gymnast who submitted an inquiry into his scores that might have put him ahead of Hamm. So nothing was changed then but I think it was FIG (and not the IOC?) that tried to get him to give it back. It was a hot mess.
ETA: Just found this 20-year-old article that lays out what happened pretty well. CAS had been pretty consistent re: timeframes for grievances.
So should the IOC also revisit Paul Hamm’s gold medal because when everything was scored correctly he was in silver position?
ETA USAG just put out a statement that they have video evidence showing that the inquiry was submitted at 47 seconds and again at 55 seconds. This is getting really wild.
If the Koreans appealed the score in a timely fashion, then yes. I can't find an article that says when they appealed it. If it was the next day, nope. If it was as quickly as they were able to afterwards, yes.
So where’s the line? Four seconds late is ok - when does it turn to not ok? You can break the rule a little but not a lot? It may be moot though if USAG has the receipts it’s says it has.
If the Koreans appealed the score in a timely fashion, then yes. I can't find an article that says when they appealed it. If it was the next day, nope. If it was as quickly as they were able to afterwards, yes.
So where’s the line? Four seconds late is ok - when does it turn to not ok? You can break the rule a little but not a lot? It may be moot though if USAG has the receipts it’s says it has.
I think it should be more uniform - give all athletes regardless of lineup position 2 minutes. Have the clock be clearly posted and the inquiry table readily accessible.
And if the committee accepts it as within the time frame as evidenced by them making a change, then the judgement should stand.
If there is beleif someone broke a rule, they should have clear evidence of it. There are cameras everywhere. Did Romania offer any evidence of the 64 second mark?
So where’s the line? Four seconds late is ok - when does it turn to not ok? You can break the rule a little but not a lot? It may be moot though if USAG has the receipts it’s says it has.
I think it should be more uniform - give all athletes regardless of lineup position 2 minutes. Have the clock be clearly posted and the inquiry table readily accessible.
And if the committee accepts it as within the time frame as evidenced by them making a change, then the judgement should stand.
If there is beleif someone broke a rule, they should have clear evidence of it. There are cameras everywhere. Did Romania offer any evidence of the 64 second mark?
I have no idea what Romania or the CAS used to get to their determination of 64 seconds. But USAG coming with receipts for 47 seconds is beyond wild. I’m obsessed.
Post by neverfstop on Aug 11, 2024 16:54:49 GMT -5
The closing ceremony is interesting.... I appreciate some of the aspects & the lighting was so unique and the aerial piano was incredible. THe hand off to Tom Cruise & LA was cute.
Looking at it from the outside, I don't really understand why the Romanian wants the bronze now. If I knew my performance wasn't really a bronze medal performance and I was winning it due to a technicality, it wouldn't feel the same. I don't think I'd want a medal that I didn't feel like I really earned. Who knows, though,easy to say from the outside.
Right? Yay I got this thing that I didn't actually earn! Yippee! 🤷🏻♀️
Looking at it from the outside, I don't really understand why the Romanian wants the bronze now. If I knew my performance wasn't really a bronze medal performance and I was winning it due to a technicality, it wouldn't feel the same. I don't think I'd want a medal that I didn't feel like I really earned. Who knows, though,easy to say from the outside.
She'd probably get money from her country for a bronze.
"The time-stamped, video evidence submitted by USA Gymnastics Sunday evening shows Landi first stated her request to file an inquiry at the inquiry table 47 seconds after the score is posted, followed by a second statement 55 seconds after the score was originally posted," USA Gymnastics said in its statement.
"The video footage provided was not available to USA Gymnastics prior to the tribunal’s decision and thus USAG did not have the opportunity to previously submit it."