1) I still can't believe that mushmouse thinks Mayor DeBlasio's son has never had to take special precautions with police. What arrogance to just sweep away his experience as if it never happened.
2) mbcdefg...I just...oh my...good fucking Christ. All those words are English, and yet, they make no sense together. I feel so comforted that this person has a gun and a badge.
His son is far more likely to be stopped or searched by the police than a white child. I hate politicians. I think he acted like his kid was living in the projects getting tossed and hassled every day and his statement sounded too political and too "I'm just like you!". As a mayor he needs to be (or appear to be) on everyone's side. And if he cannot be it simply isn't the position for him.
Al Sharpton's own actions earned him the disgust of many. Remembering the things he's done does not make one a racist.
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So it's totally no big deal for the mayor's son to get harassed by the police only once a month in the suburbs. The mayor should've just kept his mouth shut because they don't live in the projects?
Post by secretlyevil on Dec 22, 2014 11:51:20 GMT -5
We have a major front sitting over us aka I have a headache. I want to engage the people on my FB about the two NY cops. Unfortunately I just don't have it in me today.
We have a major front sitting over us aka I have a headache. I want to engage the people on my FB about the two NY cops. Unfortunately I just don't have it in me today.
Do it! I've been being unapologetically honest on FB feeds for 2 days. I feel like it's about time.
You all have people changing their profile pics to the blue and black equality for law enforcement symbol, yes? This can't be just me.
Why is this a bad thing? Police officers do this all the time. I mean if you did it for everyone it would always be your profile pic since police officer line of duty deaths are up 23% this year.
But how is supporting law enforcement with making the thin blue line your profile pic bad? This sounds like the rhetoric of you can only support one or the other.
Yup. My H did it. He's done it every time there's been a cop killed in the line.
"Not gonna lie; I kind of keep expecting you to post one day that you threw down on someone who clearly had no idea that today was NOT THEIR DAY." ~dontcallmeshirley
1) I still can't believe that mushmouse thinks Mayor DeBlasio's son has never had to take special precautions with police. What arrogance to just sweep away his experience as if it never happened.
2) mbcdefg...I just...oh my...good fucking Christ. All those words are English, and yet, they make no sense together. I feel so comforted that this person has a gun and a badge.
His son is far more likely to be stopped or searched by the police than a white child. I hate politicians. I think he acted like his kid was living in the projects getting tossed and hassled every day and his statement sounded too political and too "I'm just like you!". As a mayor he needs to be (or appear to be) on everyone's side. And if he cannot be it simply isn't the position for him.
Al Sharpton's own actions earned him the disgust of many. Remembering the things he's done does not make one a racist.
This here is the problem with people thinking racial profiling doesn't exist. The point of him saying it all, is that it can happen to his son anywhere. That simply the color of his skin, puts him a at higher risk for an unwarranted stop from the police. That being half-white does not preclude him from being unjustly stopped, because at the end of the day, mayor's son or not, the world outside of their household, he is considered by looks and demeanor to be a black man.
Also, I am so sick of people saying he shouldn't have said it. Said what? The truth, get out of here with that. The truth hurts. Now perhaps, he could have said it at another less emotionally charged time, but whether he said of after the grand jury or months later, the truth is still the truth. Period.
Stating the truth does not mean you can't also be for police. Why people are so myopic and can't see that you can wear a shirt that says "I can't breath" and/or protest, does not mean you can't like the police. Wearing it does not automatically mean you hate the police. If you want to think about group think, this myopic view is a perfect example.
And finally, WTH to only having to worry about police. harassment in the projects or inner cities. Talk about naive.
1) I still can't believe that mushmouse thinks Mayor DeBlasio's son has never had to take special precautions with police. What arrogance to just sweep away his experience as if it never happened.
2) mbcdefg...I just...oh my...good fucking Christ. All those words are English, and yet, they make no sense together. I feel so comforted that this person has a gun and a badge.
His son is far more likely to be stopped or searched by the police than a white child. I hate politicians. I think he acted like his kid was living in the projects getting tossed and hassled every day and his statement sounded too political and too "I'm just like you!". As a mayor he needs to be (or appear to be) on everyone's side. And if he cannot be it simply isn't the position for him.
Al Sharpton's own actions earned him the disgust of many. Remembering the things he's done does not make one a racist.
So when Obama said that if he had a son, he would look like Trayvon Martin, that made him unfit for office?
His son is far more likely to be stopped or searched by the police than a white child. I hate politicians. I think he acted like his kid was living in the projects getting tossed and hassled every day and his statement sounded too political and too "I'm just like you!". As a mayor he needs to be (or appear to be) on everyone's side. And if he cannot be it simply isn't the position for him.
Al Sharpton's own actions earned him the disgust of many. Remembering the things he's done does not make one a racist.
So when Obama said that if he had a son, he would look like Trayvon Martin, that made him unfit for office?
Yes, because you should be colorblind and post-racial and forget that you have black skin, except you know people are always saying racially insensitive things to him and his family, so even if he never mentioned he was black, other people would.
Post by Velar Fricative on Dec 22, 2014 13:15:19 GMT -5
I love how "promoting unity" in the city apparently involves unequivocally taking the side of the NYPD. Never mind that the fact that there are a lot of people who live in the projects who might feel alienated by that (although I've now just learned that living in the projects makes you a criminal. Yet more evidence that we are criminalizing poverty, I guess).
And if you think money and privilege automatically mean you never have to deal with being profiled because of your skin please refer yourself to the story of LAURENCE GODDAMM FISHBOURNE HAVING THE COPS CALLED ON HIM BECAUSE SOME DUMBFUCK IN A DELI THOUGHT HE WAS SHOPLIFTING.
MORPHEUS, PROBABLY THE ONLY BLACK MAN MORE IMMEDIATELY RECOGNIZABLE TO FOLKS THAN MORGAN FREEMAN AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, WAS ACCUSED OF SHOPLIFTING IN A DELI. LET THAT SINK IN.
Please recall that there is at least one chucklefuck in this world who cannot tell the difference between these two.
deBlasio is about to speak at a PAL function. CNNGo has a live stream (you have to log in to your cable provider) but I don't know if anyone else will be covering it: www.cnn.com/go/
"Not gonna lie; I kind of keep expecting you to post one day that you threw down on someone who clearly had no idea that today was NOT THEIR DAY." ~dontcallmeshirley
Post by iammalcolmx on Dec 22, 2014 13:45:37 GMT -5
A question for those in or connected to Law Enforcement. What is a good way for the Mayor to address the issues this particular force seems to have with black men? I am not trying to start anything but I would like to hear your perspective.
Post by bigoleworm on Dec 22, 2014 15:38:56 GMT -5
My brothers best friend is black. We grew up in an affluent predominantly white town. Brother and brothers best friend were pulled over a lot when they both got their licenses. (Typical dumb teenage shit) On three separate occasions, brothers best friend was handcuffed, placed in a squad car and had a gun drawn on him and my brother was walked to the sidewalk and questioned. In the gun drawn on him incident, the two idiots were shooting water guns at people as they were driving around. I am no means saying he should have had a gun drawn on him, but both of the boys were shooting water guns. Only the black kid was treated as a threat.
Why New York Cops Turned Their Backs on Mayor de Blasio
Alex Altman
The killing of two New York City police officers on Dec. 20 has turned the department’s simmering feud with city hall into a political firestorm that has implications for the national debate over policing.
After officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos were shot and killed Saturday afternoon in an unprovoked attack, cops and union leaders publicly rebuked Mayor Bill de Blasio, arguing his earlier remarks had stoked anti-police sentiment. That night, officers turned their backs on the mayor as he walked through the Brooklyn hospital where the officers were taken.
De Blasio on Monday called for a suspension of protests and political debate over policing so that the families of the fallen officers could grieve in peace. “We all see the world through the prism of our families,” the mayor said in somber remarks at a charity luncheon. “Our first obligation is to respect these families in mourning.”
The call for unity came two days after Patrick Lynch, the president of the city’s biggest police union, openly blamed the mayor for the tragedy. “There’s blood on many hands tonight,” he said. “That blood on the hands starts at the steps of City Hall in the office of the mayor.”
New York’s current mayor has never been on friendly terms with New York’s finest. The strained relationship dates back to de Blasio’s campaign, when he pledged to reform the city’s stop-and-frisk practices, which the police credited for a decrease in crime but detractors decry as institutionalized racial profiling. The promise, along with de Blasio’s own mixed-race family and his outreach to black communities, helped him win 42% of the African-American vote in a crowded Democratic primary that featured an experienced black candidate, former city comptroller Bill Thompson.
De Blasio tried to couch his opposition to stop-and-frisk as a criticism of a practice championed by outgoing mayor Michael Bloomberg, not of the officers carrying it out. And de Blasio has not departed from the policy of “broken windows” policing, which targets low-level street offenses as a way to prevent more serious crimes. But New York’ police force, who were celebrated for their heroic response to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and lionized by non-liberal mayors for two decades, have bristled at his perceived slights. “Quite frankly, the mayor ran an anti-police campaign,” former police commissioner Ray Kelly told ABC on Sunday.
The tension exploded this month after a Staten Island grand jury declined to indict Daniel Pantaleo, the New York cop whose choke hold led to the death of Eric Garner. The incident became a new flashpoint for the nationwide protest movement against police violence ignited by the killing of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo. In a plea for calm, de Blasio spoke candidly about the fraught relationship between young black men and police, and recalled telling his own son, a mixed-race teenager with a towering Afro, about the dangers embedded in an encounter with a cop.
“I have had to talk to Dante for years about the dangers that he may face,” de Blasio said. “A good young man, law-abiding young man, who would never think to do anything wrong. And yet, because of a history that still hangs over us, the dangers he may face, we’ve had to literally train him—as families have all over this city for decades—in how to take special care in any encounter he has with the police officers who are there to protect him.”
To many New Yorkers, the statement betrayed the mayor’s sympathy with the protesters who flooded the streets rather than the officers charged with keeping the peace. So did de Blasio’s announcement that in the wake of the Garner case, some 22,000 officers would be required to complete a three-day “retraining” course. “The way we go about policing has to change,” he declared.
The furor over these remarks are best understood in the context of a political environment that treats criticism of cops by public officials as taboo. The Republican war on public-sector unions ends at the precinct doors. When it doesn’t, the public sides with the police—as in Ohio, where a 2011 bill to rein in collective-bargaining rights was overturned in a voter referendum in large part because it lumped in cops and firefighters with teachers. Prominent Republican politicians blasted de Blasio in the wake of this weekend’s killing, the first of a New York City officer in the line of duty since 2011.
Police are accustomed to unconditional support for performing a difficult and dangerous job, which may be the best explanation for the union spokesmen who reacted with indignation whenever a public figure expressed sympathy for what has come to be known as the Black Lives Matter movement. A St. Louis police-union spokesperson demanded an apology from the NFL when the Rams’ wide receiving corps took the field in late November with their hands raised aloft in a gesture of solidarity. A Cleveland police-union president called Browns’ wide receiver Andrew Hawkins “pathetic” for wearing a warm-up shirt that called for justice for Tamir Rice, the 12-year-old gunned down in that city mere seconds after a cop encountered him holding a toy gun.
None of that matched the invective that New York police officials heaped on de Blasio after protests cascaded across the city earlier this month. Within a week of the Garner decision, the New York City Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association was circulating a petition that asked de Blasio and New York city council speaker Melissa Mark-Viverito to stay away away from their funerals if they were killed in the line of duty. It is a short trip from this morbid request to scapegoating the mayor in a tragedy for which no one is responsible but the criminal who pulled the trigger.
Hold up. They're mad because he promised to stop "Stop & Frisk" which is a violation of the 4th amendment? Are they for fucking real?
Yes. Because he doesn't understand anything about police work or how things really go down out there. Everything I've read objecting to his curtailing that program has come across VERY you don't know my lyfe!
I try to be objective, but I just have SO MANY FUCKING ISSUES with the stop and frisk program that I can't take anybody seriously who defends it.
The whole article is fascinating. It talks about how the cops racially profile their targets and then this:
“I also conclude that the city’s highest officials have turned a blind eye to the evidence that officers are conducting stops in a racially discriminatory manner,” she wrote, citing statements that Mr. Bloomberg and the police commissioner, Raymond W. Kelly, have made in defending the policy.