I'm betting you got a parve cake--parve means no meat or dairy, and parve desserts are only served with meat meals. Kosher dairy stuff can be damn delicious.
eggs are considered pareve. There's no part of kashrut that bans eggs. It doesn't make sense why a kosher cake wouldn't have eggs.
I've got a friend that has taken both gluten and eggs out of her diet, and it has eliminated about 95% of her GI problems. Gluten alone took care of about 80%. Not sure what happens as she does not have any sort of diagnosed allergy, but it has stopped her diarrhea and cramps (sorry) so she's sticking with it. I've been with her when she's had an episode, and it's not pretty so if it stops her problem, more power to her. She's apparently gotten fairly good a kitchen chemistry these days and can make a chocolate chip cookie that you can't tell the difference that it has no eggs or gluten.
But the one thing I wonder is that you wind up using a lot of 'chemicals' to compensate for lack of gluten. Is that really any better than an occasional Happy Meal?
Her delivery is less than stellar obviously, but why shouldn't she be able to choose what her kid eats without getting a lot of flack* for it? Remember back to when it was hard for vegetarians? There were often eye-rolls and snide comments made, now most weddings/babyshowers/corporate events/etc offer vegetarian, if not vegan, options. It's become normal to us. Most who eat a vegetarian/vegan diet do so by choice, because they believe it to be ethically better and even healthier than a diet that includes animal products. So what? I don't need everyone to eat everything I do. Reasonable accommodation can usually be made and I don't need to convince anyone that the way I eat is better/healthier/whatever than the way anyone else eats.
* I realize that it probably has more to do with her personality than the situation but let's pretend she wasn't insufferable.
I think that if your kid has a legit allergy or dietary need, there's a good way to handle it. My son is allergic to several things, and my MO is to talk to a party host ahead of time and just say "hey, Babycakes is allergic to some stuff. He knows not to eat it but would it be cool if I brought some alternative snacks for him? Or can I bring some stuff to share with everyone else?"
Regardless of what the dietary issues are, the thing I have a problem with is her self-righteous, my kid eats better than yours but I'm not judging attitude.
I love that you call him "babycakes." Always makes me smile.
Aww. I love that it just stuck when I talk about him here! I've actually found myself calling him that to his face which makes him giggle.
Apparently I call him honey a lot too because he's started calling everyone else "honey," like his teachers. And his tablet.
"This prick is asking for someone here to bring him to task Somebody give me some dirt on this vacuous mass so we can at last unmask him I'll pull the trigger on it, someone load the gun and cock it While we were all watching, he got Washington in his pocket."
"Hello babies. Welcome to Earth. It's hot in the summer and cold in the winter. It's round and wet and crowded. On the outside, babies, you've got a hundred years here. There's only one rule that I know of, babies-"God damn it, you've got to be kind.”
Her delivery is less than stellar obviously, but why shouldn't she be able to choose what her kid eats without getting a lot of flack* for it? Remember back to when it was hard for vegetarians? There were often eye-rolls and snide comments made, now most weddings/babyshowers/corporate events/etc offer vegetarian, if not vegan, options. It's become normal to us. Most who eat a vegetarian/vegan diet do so by choice, because they believe it to be ethically better and even healthier than a diet that includes animal products. So what? I don't need everyone to eat everything I do. Reasonable accommodation can usually be made and I don't need to convince anyone that the way I eat is better/healthier/whatever than the way anyone else eats.
* I realize that it probably has more to do with her personality than the situation but let's pretend she wasn't insufferable.
When it was still hard? It has gotten easier because it's more prevalent in pop culture and it's a huge money-maker, but there's still a lot of pushback. Maybe for veganism more than vegetarianism, but still, it's everywhere. It's also harder for men to be veg*n or just to eat health-consciously, based on people I know/ have known, than it is for women.
So I totally get some people's irritation at having to constantly explain and defend themselves. When you hear people say that they don't like or respect vegetarians or vegans just on some "principal" or how they like to fuck with their food/lie about ingredients, or how all vegan food sucks -- it gets tiresome and breeds hostility. It's kind of like the chicken or egg argument. Some veg*ns are arrogant and pretentious about food and their preferred lifestyle, sure, and those people can be insulting to others. So are non-veg*ns, who are defensive and seem to take other people's preferences as some personal attack.
The woman in the OP sounds insufferable, not because of her food choices, but because that seems to be her personality. I wish more people could learn to separate people's obnoxious character flaws from what they associate themselves with, as often, it's not their associations that are the root of their flaws, but an outlet for which they can spread their obnoxiousness.
That probably didn't make any sense, but oh well. lol
You're right, it's still an ongoing issue. One I don't understand at all. Admittedly I'm in SoCal, where specialty diets of all kinds are quite accepted, but I have no doubt that there are still many parts of the country and/world where dietary choices are met with open hostility.
However, vegetarians/vegans are getting a bit of a break (at least in media and pop culture) because it appears that gluten free people are the new most popular demographic to hate on.
Frankly, as long as you're ingesting calories and not thinking that air and sunlight will provide you proper nutrition, I don't really care what you eat or don't eat.
But the one thing I wonder is that you wind up using a lot of 'chemicals' to compensate for lack of gluten. Is that really any better than an occasional Happy Meal?
What chemicals are the gluten free eating that everyone else isn't? I suppose if someone is buying all the pre-packaged gluten free foods they're getting "chemicals", but no more than the person who is buying regular pre-packaged foods.
Post by irishbride2 on Jan 28, 2015 22:05:29 GMT -5
It, for most people still comes down to delivery. If a vegetarian manages to tell me she's a vegetarian while at the same time making comments about how I'm an animal killer, im probably going to roll my eyes and think you are an ass. Same with this mom in the op: if you are going to tell people your kids don't eat x because it's terrible crap that I dare feed my kid, my eyes will be rolling.
But if you share your diet info without judging me, we are all good. You do you. When I had DD I was very much the crunchy health food mom compared to those around me. Whateves. Now im in a different region and I'm fairly middle of the road for my group.
We lucky we have no allergies, just sensitivities. DD1 is old enough now (6) that she knows and understands what happens if she eats dairy. Also she reacts poorly to red dyes, again she knows how it makes her feel and she can choose. I do also try to offer alternatives to her, especially with the red dye treats.
basically I try to control or limit things in the house so when we do go out or she goes to a party, her eating a little dairy here and there isn't awful. Really though, the red dye sucks balls. Her behavior changes and she says her insides feel like she is buzzing.
I've got a friend that has taken both gluten and eggs out of her diet, and it has eliminated about 95% of her GI problems. Gluten alone took care of about 80%. Not sure what happens as she does not have any sort of diagnosed allergy, but it has stopped her diarrhea and cramps (sorry) so she's sticking with it. I've been with her when she's had an episode, and it's not pretty so if it stops her problem, more power to her. She's apparently gotten fairly good a kitchen chemistry these days and can make a chocolate chip cookie that you can't tell the difference that it has no eggs or gluten.
But the one thing I wonder is that you wind up using a lot of 'chemicals' to compensate for lack of gluten. Is that really any better than an occasional Happy Meal?
Like what? Rice flour, tapioca starch, potato starch, potato flour, amaranth flour, teff, millet flour, garbanzo flour, almond flour, hazelnut flour (I make a KILLER hazelnut flour chocolate cake. It's basically Nutella in cake form), quinoa flour, corn flour, coconut flour, arrowroot... basically if you can dry it and mill it, you can use it as a flour. It's not a 1-for-1 substitution for wheat flour, but there is a lot you can do in gluten free cooking and baking that is delicious. You can use cooked beans as a wheat flour substitute. I make black bean brownies that are very good. They remind me of Japanese sweet bean moon cakes with chocolate.
I will say that a lot of packaged gluten free foods ramp up the sugar content and fat. Commercial gluten free bread has a higher fat content in order to give you a more bread-like bread.
I had avocado ice cream at the avocado festival in Carpenteria. It was alright.
You're near Carp? I love the avocado festival, however I did not have the ice cream.
Not really, I used to live in West Hollywood. I just liked to get out every other weekend or so. I live near Philly now, due to my husband's job. But I was in SoCal for about 10 years. My husband lived there for 5 years in grad school, then came back for 5 years after we met. Most of my friends still live there. :/
I've got a friend that has taken both gluten and eggs out of her diet, and it has eliminated about 95% of her GI problems. Gluten alone took care of about 80%. Not sure what happens as she does not have any sort of diagnosed allergy, but it has stopped her diarrhea and cramps (sorry) so she's sticking with it. I've been with her when she's had an episode, and it's not pretty so if it stops her problem, more power to her. She's apparently gotten fairly good a kitchen chemistry these days and can make a chocolate chip cookie that you can't tell the difference that it has no eggs or gluten.
But the one thing I wonder is that you wind up using a lot of 'chemicals' to compensate for lack of gluten. Is that really any better than an occasional Happy Meal?
Like what? Rice flour, tapioca starch, potato starch, potato flour, amaranth flour, teff, millet flour, garbanzo flour, almond flour, hazelnut flour (I make a KILLER hazelnut flour chocolate cake. It's basically Nutella in cake form), quinoa flour, corn flour, coconut flour, arrowroot... basically if you can dry it and mill it, you can use it as a flour. It's not a 1-for-1 substitution for wheat flour, but there is a lot you can do in gluten free cooking and baking that is delicious. You can use cooked beans as a wheat flour substitute. I make black bean brownies that are very good. They remind me of Japanese sweet bean moon cakes with chocolate.
I will say that a lot of packaged gluten free foods ramp up the sugar content and fat. Commercial gluten free bread has a higher fat content in order to give you a more bread-like bread.
I thought of this thread today when I tried cauliflower rice for the first time. That shit does not taste like rice. At all. LilShirley was unimpressed.
I feel the same way about zucchini noodles, spaghetti squash and cauliflower pizza crust.
But the one thing I wonder is that you wind up using a lot of 'chemicals' to compensate for lack of gluten. Is that really any better than an occasional Happy Meal?
What chemicals are the gluten free eating that everyone else isn't? I suppose if someone is buying all the pre-packaged gluten free foods they're getting "chemicals", but no more than the person who is buying regular pre-packaged foods.
I guess that's my point. Xanthan gum is the one that I know about, and it's probably used in lots of non-gluten free items too.
I just remember seeing a list of ingredients in a local pizza place's gluten free crust, don't remember them all but I do remember thinking that it was fairly long and involved.
What chemicals are the gluten free eating that everyone else isn't? I suppose if someone is buying all the pre-packaged gluten free foods they're getting "chemicals", but no more than the person who is buying regular pre-packaged foods.
I guess that's my point. Xanthan gum is the one that I know about, and it's probably used in lots of non-gluten free items too.
I just remember seeing a list of ingredients in a local pizza place's gluten free crust, don't remember them all but I do remember thinking that it was fairly long and involved.
Well it's not a chemical though. It's a secretion from a particular bacteria. Not that all naturally derived additives are great but calling it a chemical is technically incorrect.
Her delivery is less than stellar obviously, but why shouldn't she be able to choose what her kid eats without getting a lot of flack* for it?.
She's not just choosing what her kid eats. C'mon. She's saying "your party food isn't good enough for my child." And that's just rude and generally rude behavior is frowned upon by society at large.
This isn't like being vegetarian or vegan. I can't quite put my finger on why but vegetarians generally have well defined philosophical and/or medical reasons for their food choices (I grew up in a vegetarian home and my dad was vegan for about 20 years). And this lady does not. She's just a straight up food snob who thinks her food snobbery is somehow going to give her child a health or intellectual leg up. Actually who knows if she even thinks that because she simply didn't say.
If you have a good recipe that's GF, don't hold back! Ive got a girlfriend whose celiac and I've never found a decent GF one.
I haven't made it to the end of this thread, but wanted to chime in on your post. Have you tried Lillabee GF baking flour? They also make mixes. It's the best GF flour I've found. I use it like glutenful flour and the texture and taste is the best I've found.
I guess that's my point. Xanthan gum is the one that I know about, and it's probably used in lots of non-gluten free items too.
I just remember seeing a list of ingredients in a local pizza place's gluten free crust, don't remember them all but I do remember thinking that it was fairly long and involved.
Well it's not a chemical though. It's a secretion from a particular bacteria. Not that all naturally derived additives are great but calling it a chemical is technically incorrect.
No it's not. Everything is a chemical. Is it industrially manufactured or synthetic? no - it's a naturally isolated product but it's still a chemical. As is sucrose, gluten, ascorbate... everything is a chemical.
Anyway, I read like one page of this and probably missed a lot but #teamdeliverymatters. Also, was it heyjude who mentioned naturopaths? Good GOD all I have heard back at work from having my hysterectomy is "you should see a naturopath for hot flashes and sleeplessness." or "My naturopath has me on L tryptophan for insomnia" or "nettle tea is what my naturopath recommends for night sweats!"
No fools. Estrogen. I want it. Tiny blue pill, synthetic lovely estrogen.
Back to the subject - gluten free baking is so interesting. While I know many of the ingredients are natural, the mixing IS a lot like chemistry. Or really, alchemy - sort of against all odds these random substances can sort of kind of stand in for gluten.
Well it's not a chemical though. It's a secretion from a particular bacteria. Not that all naturally derived additives are great but calling it a chemical is technically incorrect.
No it's not. Everything is a chemical. Is it industrially manufactured or synthetic? no - it's a naturally isolated product but it's still a chemical. As is sucrose, gluten, ascorbate... everything is a chemical.
Ok yes, I stand corrected. Everything is a chemical. H2O is a chemical. But I'm pretty sure that the previous poster was not referring to taking issue with water in an ingredient list when talking about the omg chemicals (!) in gluten free foods. Overly processed foods and long ingredient lists are not limited to gluten free or gluten filled foods. Just as it's ridiculous that people tout gf as automatically healthier, it's ridiculous to think they're unhealthy because of binders that are used in place of the missing gluten. That was my point.
Her delivery is less than stellar obviously, but why shouldn't she be able to choose what her kid eats without getting a lot of flack* for it?.
She's not just choosing what her kid eats. C'mon. She's saying "your party food isn't good enough for my child." And that's just rude and generally rude behavior is frowned upon by society at large.
This isn't like being vegetarian or vegan. I can't quite put my finger on why but vegetarians generally have well defined philosophical and/or medical reasons for their food choices (I grew up in a vegetarian home and my dad was vegan for about 20 years). And this lady does not. She's just a straight up food snob who thinks her food snobbery is somehow going to give her child a health or intellectual leg up. Actually who knows if she even thinks that because she simply didn't say.
We must have read different blog posts. She clearly states that her daughter's diet is "for medical reasons". Whether or not that's true, or if it's more along the lines of a choice because of her beliefs about nutrition and food, I don't know. I'm not her daughter's pediatrician. On the flip side I don't know how you could unequivocally make the determination that it's not for medical reasons but instead food snobbery reasons alone, snide comments about fast food notwithstanding.
My husband has celiac, I also eat gf (long story and sometime when I'm not so tired I may talk about my reasons why) so we eschew fast food too. I guess we're good snobs too, though we're for sure more polite than to comment on anyone else's food choices or restrictions, self-imposed or otherwise.
elleblue I knew you knew. I was just being a snarky ass I do think that delivery matters, but the general notion of "what I feed my kid is no one else's concern" (absent obvious abuse) rings true.
We have friends whose next door neighbors we've several times. Neighbor mom is apparently a total fitness fanatic - runs obsessively, works out more or less constantly, and claims gluten "sensitivity". She has also determined that her kids have celiac. Our friends have reason to believe (not sure how) that basically the situation is that mom has superimposed her disordered eating on her kids -- either to make it easier for her to control the food for the family or out of genuine fear of the food. We've been at multiple parties/events with this family and it seems to be a huge old bummer for the kids because mom and dad don't bring food/snacks - I can't say I've ever seen mom eat at all. Like at a 3 hour long holiday party - not a nibble.
Anyway, I don't so much judge as side-eye it with curiosity because I don't know the whole story.
But perhaps the reality is that it's just none of my damn business.
It had to have been the delivery. So many kids have allergies or sensitivites these days, you can't swing a stick without hitting one.
E has an intolerance to artificial red dyes. Like I can tell when she's had something, because she's a complete whackjob. The other day, she was at her friend's house and the dad called me to ask about her having red Kool Aid. I was like "I wouldn't because she'll be crazy, but if you do, she's yours till she comes down LOLzies!"
One of H's sisters gave her a giant red velvet cupcake on vacation and she literally twitched all fucking night. And we had to get up early to catch the flight home. Boo-urns, SIL.
My kid is allergic to avocado. I would be majorly pissed if someone was serving avocado cupcakes as it's not something that usually gets served. My dhs sister actually served salsa with avocado in it because she thought if he didn't see it, he wouldn't really be allergic. Apparently people make up allergies for fun? I think it's all in the delivery. Any parties that my son goes to I make sure I ask if certain things are being served (he can't do banana, kiwi, avocado to name a few) as these are not often items served at a 6 year old party I often don't have to worry. Our school recently banned items for parties that are cakes, cookies, icing, etc. so I have sent in a box of acceptable treats for him because I'm afraid someone will serve bananas as a "treat" because cookies are the debil
If you have a good recipe that's GF, don't hold back! Ive got a girlfriend whose celiac and I've never found a decent GF one.
I haven't made it to the end of this thread, but wanted to chime in on your post. Have you tried Lillabee GF baking flour? They also make mixes. It's the best GF flour I've found. I use it like glutenful flour and the texture and taste is the best I've found.
Wheat flour of any kind. People can have a true allergy to it (celiac disease),
Just FYI, it's also gluten from barley and rye. I can't eat those either because of celiac.
Also Jenny MCFuckFace is a fuck face.
And celiac isn't an allergy as some have mentioned.
There are good GF recipes out there but I didn't bake before going GF so why start now
I don't believe that this went down remotely close to how she explains it. Either way she sounds annoying and I bet her child won't be invited to any future parties.
* I realize that it probably has more to do with her personality than the situation but let's pretend she wasn't insufferable.
If a parent isn't insufferable about it and shows up w/ food for their child, no matter the reason (allergy or personal choice), I won't judge it. For DSs 5th b-day party we served GF chicken tenders. If a parent had said "we're actually vegetarian so I brought some other food for LO", I wouldn't have cared one bit. I'm sure as heck not going to make their child eat meat nor am I going to expect the child to not eat anything!
My kid is allergic to avocado. I would be majorly pissed if someone was serving avocado cupcakes as it's not something that usually gets served. My dhs sister actually served salsa with avocado in it because she thought if he didn't see it, he wouldn't really be allergic. Apparently people make up allergies for fun? I think it's all in the delivery. Any parties that my son goes to I make sure I ask if certain things are being served (he can't do banana, kiwi, avocado to name a few) as these are not often items served at a 6 year old party I often don't have to worry. Our school recently banned items for parties that are cakes, cookies, icing, etc. so I have sent in a box of acceptable treats for him because I'm afraid someone will serve bananas as a "treat" because cookies are the debil