Guess what? I am at basketball with my youngest. there are 20 kids here. one Of the moms just called her kid over and says. are you alright? you look like you are struggling. then proceeds to feel his head for a fever!!!!! then proceeds to say "he refuses to miss".
wtf? keep your fucking feverish kid home from Saturday basketball bitch. you just infected 19 other kindergarteners.
this shit is infuriating. luckily her kid is in a different group than my ds. so he will be taking a shower when we get home.
I am legit curious about what a "back up plan" looks like for the working poor.
People seem to think that care.com is teeming with people willing to come over and stay with your sick kid with an hours notice -- it's not. Both of my occasional sitters I screened through care.com have full time jobs. Or people are looking for full time jobs.
If you don't have family around and you have to go to work because you need the money, the $250 a day emergency back up babysitter service my husbands employer provides isn't feasible.
I'm not arguing that people should send sick kids to daycare or school -- I just think there is lots of misplaced rage about why they do.
And I am super curious about what kind of school these kids attend that let them come when sick. Because a fever, eye discharge or vomiting will get a child sent home and not allowed back for 24 hours. You keep saying that back up care isn't possible or is some magic unicorn but you are not allowed to send sick kids to school here so what do then.
Oh and care.com for our local area currently has 19 listings for occasional daily baby sitters. Weird we must live in magic unicorn land.
Who keeps track of that shit at your kids' school? I work at a high school so there is no way anyone is keeping track of who is contagious and should be at home but even when I worked at a small middle school there wasn't someone who would have kept track of why you said your kid was out sick and when they should be allowed back. Hell, admin wants kids at school every day because that's how they make the most money. In my district we have the opposite problem, we can't get kids to come to school.
And I am super curious about what kind of school these kids attend that let them come when sick. Because a fever, eye discharge or vomiting will get a child sent home and not allowed back for 24 hours. You keep saying that back up care isn't possible or is some magic unicorn but you are not allowed to send sick kids to school here so what do then.
Oh and care.com for our local area currently has 19 listings for occasional daily baby sitters. Weird we must live in magic unicorn land.
Who keeps track of that shit at your kids' school? I work at a high school so there is no way anyone is keeping track of who is contagious and should be at home but even when I worked at a small middle school there wasn't someone who would have kept track of why you said your kid was out sick and when they should be allowed back. Hell, admin wants kids at school every day because that's how they make the most money. In my district we have the opposite problem, we can't get kids to come to school.
lol are you serious? Um if the nurse sends a kid home with a fever and he is back the next day it's not rocket science. I have taught in 5 different schools plus my kids and it never seemed to be a huge issue. Really the fact that you can't grasp this is funny.
Oh to further explain because this seems so hard. If I send my kids to school with red eyes with discharge their teachers would send them to the nurse then home. Same with vomiting on their desk. I guess our schools are special snowflakes.
Who keeps track of that shit at your kids' school? I work at a high school so there is no way anyone is keeping track of who is contagious and should be at home but even when I worked at a small middle school there wasn't someone who would have kept track of why you said your kid was out sick and when they should be allowed back. Hell, admin wants kids at school every day because that's how they make the most money. In my district we have the opposite problem, we can't get kids to come to school.
lol are you serious? Um if the nurse sends a kid home with a fever and he is back the next day it's not rocket science. I have taught in 5 different schools plus my kids and it never seemed to be a huge issue. Really the fact that you can't grasp this is funny.
Well that assumes that each school has a nurse. Many elementary schools here either have a health tech or they share a nurse with another school. maybe it's just the fact that the district I work for has handled the severe CA budget cuts poorly but it seems like the nurse would have more to do than check every sick kids attendance records. Plus, I'm sure no one is verifying that you are no longer contagious if parents calls in your absence the day before.
Here's another example. B had rsv. I took him to the doctor on Tuesday. She said to keep him home until Friday. He *shouldnt* be contagious by then. She totally guessed on that since I couldn't really pin point when he first got sick. On Friday he was still coughing but not nearly as bad. If i had to work and had missed all week I might have sent him to school or daycare on Friday. Since I don't work I kept him home all weekend to be safe. But yeah, I could have made a different call. I'm not sure why a little bit of eye discharge or eye boogies or whatever is such a case for alarm when we and she doesn't even know if he was contagious in the first place. That's what I'm stuck on.
Because she said herself that she didn't have to work and it's selfish to infect other kids who have parents that do. I am more err on the side of caution of not infecting the whole class unless you absolutely have too. Crazy I know
lol are you serious? Um if the nurse sends a kid home with a fever and he is back the next day it's not rocket science. I have taught in 5 different schools plus my kids and it never seemed to be a huge issue. Really the fact that you can't grasp this is funny.
Well that assumes that each school has a nurse. Many elementary schools here either have a health tech or they share a nurse with another school. maybe it's just the fact that the district I work for has handled the severe CA budget cuts poorly but it seems like the nurse would have more to do than check every sick kids attendance records. Plus, I'm sure no one is verifying that you are no longer contagious if parents calls in your absence the day before.
Yep it's super difficult with the computer attendance and sick days. So your schools don't but ours and the majority in our state don't allow sick kids. The fact that that is hard to understand is sad.
Oh to further explain because this seems so hard. If I send my kids to school with red eyes with discharge their teachers would send them to the nurse then home. Same with vomiting on their desk. I guess our schools are special snowflakes.
Those are very obvious situations. If a kid woke up with discharge but wasn't draining the teacher wouldn't have any idea. Just like a fever might not be obvious to a teacher either.
Here's another example. B had rsv. I took him to the doctor on Tuesday. She said to keep him home until Friday. He *shouldnt* be contagious by then. She totally guessed on that since I couldn't really pin point when he first got sick. On Friday he was still coughing but not nearly as bad. If i had to work and had missed all week I might have sent him to school or daycare on Friday. Since I don't work I kept him home all weekend to be safe. But yeah, I could have made a different call. I'm not sure why a little bit of eye discharge or eye boogies or whatever is such a case for alarm when we and she doesn't even know if he was contagious in the first place. That's what I'm stuck on.
Because she said herself that she didn't have to work and it's selfish to infect other kids who have parents that do. I am more err on the side of caution of not infecting the whole class unless you absolutely have too. Crazy I know
She actually said she did HAVE to work, she had a pressing issue to take care of.
Well that assumes that each school has a nurse. Many elementary schools here either have a health tech or they share a nurse with another school. maybe it's just the fact that the district I work for has handled the severe CA budget cuts poorly but it seems like the nurse would have more to do than check every sick kids attendance records. Plus, I'm sure no one is verifying that you are no longer contagious if parents calls in your absence the day before.
Yep it's super difficult with the computer attendance and sick days. So your schools don't but ours and the majority in our state don't allow sick kids. The fact that that is hard to understand is sad.
It's not that it's super hard to understand its that I think outside of an affluent school district it isn't a priority. I think you have a hard time accepting that other people have different experiences and immediately jump to a condescending tone. While it keeps things entertaining not every person who disagrees with you is an uneducated idiot.
Yep it's super difficult with the computer attendance and sick days. So your schools don't but ours and the majority in our state don't allow sick kids. The fact that that is hard to understand is sad.
It's not that it's super hard to understand its that I think outside of an affluent school district it isn't a priority. I think you have a hard time accepting that other people have different experiences and immediately jump to a condescending tone. While it keeps things entertaining not every person who disagrees with you is an uneducated idiot.
I never called you an idiot although you obviously have reading comprehension issues so there is that. I specifically said I totally understand why some people have to send sick kids to school. If you can't read I can go back and find it for you. Would that help? And yes this is dripping with sarcasm
Because she said herself that she didn't have to work and it's selfish to infect other kids who have parents that do. I am more err on the side of caution of not infecting the whole class unless you absolutely have too. Crazy I know
I don't think you are crazy. We just aren't reading this the same. I read that she had to work. That she missed a ton of work before when he was sick and couldn't do it this time. Maybe I made that up, it's early
I'm with you and I have the luxury of keeping them home. I don't know what I would do if I was really pressed though. Wheh you can't miss and it's questionable I'm guessing I'm going to opt to send them.
See and I totally get those who financially can't afford it or will lose their job I get that! It sucks and I can't imagine being in that position but I am realistic that sadly a lot of parents make that choice daily because they have to. I would dare to say no one on this board is in that situation. Beantrees admitted that wasn't her situation so it a crappy choice she chose. Some parents don't have that choice.
It's not that it's super hard to understand its that I think outside of an affluent school district it isn't a priority. I think you have a hard time accepting that other people have different experiences and immediately jump to a condescending tone. While it keeps things entertaining not every person who disagrees with you is an uneducated idiot.
I never called you an idiot although you obviously have reading comprehension issues so there is that. I specifically said I totally understand why some people have to send sick kids to school. If you can't read I can go back and find it for you. Would that help? And yes this is dripping with sarcasm
Thanks for giving an example so I didn't have to go to the last page of threads to find one. I don't care what you think of me and my reading skills, so there's that. Heaven forbid anyone have an anecdote that contradicts yours.
Post by andrewsgal on Jan 31, 2015 10:10:06 GMT -5
The point is the majority of posters on this board live a middle to upper middle class life. They are not working jobs that will fire you for a sick kid or that missing a day of work will mean they can't put food on the table.
I am realistic I know that is the absolute reality for a lot of people but I am talking about this board. Is that more clear?
I never called you an idiot although you obviously have reading comprehension issues so there is that. I specifically said I totally understand why some people have to send sick kids to school. If you can't read I can go back and find it for you. Would that help? And yes this is dripping with sarcasm
Thanks for giving an example so I didn't have to go to the last page of threads to find one. I don't care what you think of me and my reading skills, so there's that. Heaven forbid anyone have an anecdote that contradicts yours.
What anecdote? I fully admitted that there are kids that can't stay home. I am sorry I clearly upset you about this but I stand behind the fact that in this particular situation a bad choice was made.
Oh to further explain because this seems so hard. If I send my kids to school with red eyes with discharge their teachers would send them to the nurse then home. Same with vomiting on their desk. I guess our schools are special snowflakes.
Yea, but that's the thing, his eyes weren't red or having discharge at all when I dropped him off. He looked normal. Like I said earlier, I would not have sent him if his eyes were a red, oozing, crusty mess.
Post by andrewsgal on Jan 31, 2015 10:13:28 GMT -5
And if it helps any it makes me ragey that there are schools that don't have the funds to help kids who need it or the resources available to do so. But that is a whole different post in itself.
Oh to further explain because this seems so hard. If I send my kids to school with red eyes with discharge their teachers would send them to the nurse then home. Same with vomiting on their desk. I guess our schools are special snowflakes.
But that's the thing, his eyes weren't red or having discharge at all when I dropped him off. He looked normal. Like I said earlier, I would not have sent him if his eyes were a red, oozing, crusty mess.
Yes, I could have technically missed work. I would not have been fired or hurting for the money. But I had already missed 2 weeks ago because he was sick, we were backed up at work, my coworkers had a lot of personal issues going on, and I had a time sensitive thing to take care that would have been really hard for anyone else to take over. Since he had almost been on the drops for 24 hours, and had no obvious symptoms besides what he woke up with after a full night of sleeping, I felt OK sending him. I sent his eyedrops to DC and texted his teacher several times throughout the day to make sure that they weren't draining or getting worse. It may have been a bad choice, but it's not like I was sending him to school with measles or some nonsense.
Thanks for giving an example so I didn't have to go to the last page of threads to find one. I don't care what you think of me and my reading skills, so there's that. Heaven forbid anyone have an anecdote that contradicts yours.
What anecdote? I fully admitted that there are kids that can't stay home. I am sorry I clearly upset you about this but I stand behind the fact that in this particular situation a bad choice was made.
I am not upset. I Was just observing that your first line of defense is to question someone's reading skills or intelligence simply because your experience is different.
What anecdote? I fully admitted that there are kids that can't stay home. I am sorry I clearly upset you about this but I stand behind the fact that in this particular situation a bad choice was made.
I am not upset. I Was just observing that your first line of defense is to question someone's reading skills or intelligence simply because your experience is different.
But you didn't read what I wrote. Like at all. You said I don't understand situations different from what I know. When I fully admitted I do. How is that not lacking reading skills?
I taught elementary for years and while I didn't love being coughed on, most kids were sniffling and coughing for much of the school year. Heck, if my kids get a cold they usually continue coughing for weeks afterwards. NBD, part of life. Our school also didn't send kids home for pinkeye or lice. Neither were considered illnesses worth missing school for.
Omg. No to the head lice. I feel like everybody can agree on lice.
Kids don't have to be kept home for live anymore. It makes me itchy to think about.
I am legit curious about what a "back up plan" looks like for the working poor.
People seem to think that care.com is teeming with people willing to come over and stay with your sick kid with an hours notice -- it's not. Both of my occasional sitters I screened through care.com have full time jobs. Or people are looking for full time jobs.
If you don't have family around and you have to go to work because you need the money, the $250 a day emergency back up babysitter service my husbands employer provides isn't feasible.
I'm not arguing that people should send sick kids to daycare or school -- I just think there is lots of misplaced rage about why they do.
My mom's back up plan was that I stayed home alone by 2nd grade. She lived hours from her family. I don't remember what she did when I was younger than that, but I'm sure it wouldn't meet CPS standards today. And I'm equally sure that the working poor still does it since there aren't affordable options.
Post by penguingrrl on Jan 31, 2015 10:37:19 GMT -5
Oh, and I'm horrified there are schools that don't send home for pinkeye since it can be very contagious. And she was sent home at 9 am and not allowed to return to school that day or the next. I can assure you that even if the school itself isn't tracking that the teacher remembers what kid was sent home early the day before (at the elementary level when they're with one teacher all day).
I think that sick kid care can be incredibly expensive and difficult, but also that schools can't let obviously contagious kids in.
I am legit curious about what a "back up plan" looks like for the working poor.
People seem to think that care.com is teeming with people willing to come over and stay with your sick kid with an hours notice -- it's not. Both of my occasional sitters I screened through care.com have full time jobs. Or people are looking for full time jobs.
If you don't have family around and you have to go to work because you need the money, the $250 a day emergency back up babysitter service my husbands employer provides isn't feasible.
I'm not arguing that people should send sick kids to daycare or school -- I just think there is lots of misplaced rage about why they do.
My mom's back up plan was that I stayed home alone by 2nd grade. She lived hours from her family. I don't remember what she did when I was younger than that, but I'm sure it wouldn't meet CPS standards today. And I'm equally sure that the working poor still does it since there aren't affordable options.
Kids in our state can stay alone at 8. So by second grade.
My mom's back up plan was that I stayed home alone by 2nd grade. She lived hours from her family. I don't remember what she did when I was younger than that, but I'm sure it wouldn't meet CPS standards today. And I'm equally sure that the working poor still does it since there aren't affordable options.
Kids in our state can stay alone at 8. So by second grade.
Julia will turn 8 a few days into 3rd. And I didn't turn 8 until March of 2nd and was definitely home sick before March.
Julia will turn 8 a few days into 3rd. And I didn't turn 8 until March of 2nd and was definitely home sick before March.
I honestly can't say I wouldn't leave Emma home if I had no other choice. It truly makes me sad and mad that is some peoples only option.
If I had to leave Julia even now I could (and PA doesn't have a law so I could). She is incredibly mature and I could trust her. It would kill me, but if a missed work day meant no food for the week or a lost job then I would do it. It kills me that people have to make that choice though.
I won't lie, H and I keep wavering about me returning to the workforce once he has a permanentt job offer and sick days as well as school closings/delayed openings/early dismissals because of school are making us rethink it, especially if we stay here because our district closes so quickly but his job doesn't close for weather (written policy).
I can't imagine how the working poor manage it. The cards are stacked against them in so many ways.
I am not upset. I Was just observing that your first line of defense is to question someone's reading skills or intelligence simply because your experience is different.
But you didn't read what I wrote. Like at all. You said I don't understand situations different from what I know. When I fully admitted I do. How is that not lacking reading skills?
I asked who keeps track of whether or not a kid is contagious and you immediately went into a condescending tone and told me it was sad that this concept was so hard for me to grasp.