This is where I am at. I do believe that some of the vitrol is based on her gender, but to say it is ONLY because she is a woman is pretty dismissive of some of the real issues she has, and refuses to really do anything to change.
I don't dislike her because she is a woman...in fact, that is one of the things she has going for her when it comes to my vote. If she were a man, with her record, I would be voting even less enthusiastically.
I think the fact that she's a woman, a Clinton, part of the establishment are all contributing factors.
I personally don't see her not bringing radical change as a negative and the fact that she is an experienced politician is also a plus in my view. This is someone who knows the pressures of government.
Like @tambcat said, I see her picking up where Obama left off and hopefully carrying through some things he didn't have the chance to push through.
Post by jeaniebueller on Jun 9, 2016 10:52:27 GMT -5
Its slightly ridiculous that people think the Clintons have murdered all of these people and wield all kinds of power in the media and the evil "establishment," yet she couldn't beat Obama in 2008.
Its slightly ridiculous that people think the Clintons have murdered all of these people and wield all kinds of power in the media and the evil "establishment," yet she couldn't beat Obama in 2008.
well that's because he's the Muslim Antichrist! Try to keep up.
Its slightly ridiculous that people think the Clintons have murdered all of these people and wield all kinds of power in the media and the evil "establishment," yet she couldn't beat Obama in 2008.
well that's because he's the Muslim Antichrist! Try to keep up.
There's going to be a major world event (maybe a natural disaster) that will keep Obama in office another 8 years and he will rise to world domination as the antichrist.
well that's because he's the Muslim Antichrist! Try to keep up.
There's going to be a major world event (maybe a natural disaster) that will keep Obama in office another 8 years and he will rise to world domination as the antichrist.
well that's because he's the Muslim Antichrist! Try to keep up.
There's going to be a major world event (maybe a natural disaster) that will keep Obama in office another 8 years and he will rise to world domination as the antichrist.
According to conspiracy theorist IG accounts
I'll never forget when my subway sandwich artist was like "well he's going to be the last president anyway. Just you wait." I was half interested in whether she meant total collapse of the system or that he would just reign on forever. Then I realized she's a 19yo sandwich artist and I don't really care.
There's going to be a major world event (maybe a natural disaster) that will keep Obama in office another 8 years and he will rise to world domination as the antichrist.
According to conspiracy theorist IG accounts
I'll never forget when my subway sandwich artist was like "well he's going to be the last president anyway. Just you wait." I was half interested in whether she meant total collapse of the system or that he would just reign on forever. Then I realized she's a 19yo sandwich artist and I don't really care.
On one of the aforementioned IG accounts I saw a meme about how both the pope and the queen of England said that 2015 would be our last Christmas.
I was told that Bill Clinton has a revolving door for mistresses. And the secret service shuffles them out when HRC comes to visit him. If she can't even keep her husband happy, how can she keep a whole country happy???
And they also discussed the emails. I just kept thinking of my exit strategy while they ranted.
I don't think it's just that she's a woman- I think it's that she's a woman who isn't how a woman is "supposed" to be. She's ambitious. She wants power. She's not soft spoken, she's not warm and maternal.
People who say she isn't warm or maternal see what they want to see or haven't met her. The caring and concern she showed in the brief time I spoke with her about my sons last week will stay with me the rest of my life. She didn't have to take the time, she already has my vote and knows it. But she did. Her questions were kind, she squeezed my hand, and asked me to give the boys a hug from her. Just because she radiates strength and confidence doesn't mean she isn't warm. That's male patriarchal bullshit.
It isn't just that though. She is nasty to her staff and security detail (I have seen it first hand and heard accounts). She has brushed real concerns off when she doesn't think they deserve her time, even when she should have been prepped heavily by her team (ie BLM protestor). People in the military that I know are extremely offended by her "at this point what does it matter" response to Benghazi.
Now, yes I think many men act the same and get away with a lot more, but as a woman I have an issue with how she treats those she sees as beneath her and I think she is patronizing to issues she doesn't prioritize. I think Trump is no better, but that doesn't mean that I can't criticize her because she IS a woman.
So here is my friend's response on why he thinks Trump is better than Clinton:
1. Benghazi - she sat in front of congress and said, in front of the families of the men killed, and stated " at this point what does it matter" as a veteran I don't want a president who has no feelings for the fallen especially for those you sent into the danger. IT MATTERS to the families and friends of those who died on your watch!
2. Email scandal not that she did it but that you or I would already have been punished for what she did.
3. Her lies about being under fire while she was visiting Bosnia and then plays it off when she gets caught by saying she misspoke.
4. The way she treats those who are assigned to protect her. I spoke with some secret service agents and the told me they are either treated like the help or ignored completely. None of them want to work in her protection detail. I could never vote for a her... Ever Like I said before She is a 0.00 to me, Trump is a 0.01... The .01 has my vote. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
He would never vote 3rd party which I don't understand, but that is his choice. Most of the military people I know don't like her for mostly #1 and #3. I don't agree with him, but this I respect his opinion. Sadly that means he is voting for Trump. Other people I know haven't decided what they are going to do, but they will probably stay home.
So here is my friend's response on why he thinks Trump is better than Clinton:
1. Benghazi - she sat in front of congress and said, in front of the families of the men killed, and stated " at this point what does it matter" as a veteran I don't want a president who has no feelings for the fallen especially for those you sent into the danger. IT MATTERS to the families and friends of those who died on your watch!
2. Email scandal not that she did it but that you or I would already have been punished for what she did.
3. Her lies about being under fire while she was visiting Bosnia and then plays it off when she gets caught by saying she misspoke.
4. The way she treats those who are assigned to protect her. I spoke with some secret service agents and the told me they are either treated like the help or ignored completely. None of them want to work in her protection detail. I could never vote for a her... Ever Like I said before She is a 0.00 to me, Trump is a 0.01... The .01 has my vote. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
He would never vote 3rd party which I don't understand, but that is his choice. Most of the military people I know don't like her for mostly #1 and #3. I don't agree with him, but this I respect his opinion. Sadly that means he is voting for Trump. Other people I know haven't decided what they are going to do, but they will probably stay home.
There's going to be a major world event (maybe a natural disaster) that will keep Obama in office another 8 years and he will rise to world domination as the antichrist.
According to conspiracy theorist IG accounts
That doesn't sound so bad.
Is there a petition we can sign? Or a GFM which to contribute??
*it should be noted in absolutely an HRC supporter! I'm just even more in love with the Obama's❤️
So here is my friend's response on why he thinks Trump is better than Clinton:
1. Benghazi - she sat in front of congress and said, in front of the families of the men killed, and stated " at this point what does it matter" as a veteran I don't want a president who has no feelings for the fallen especially for those you sent into the danger. IT MATTERS to the families and friends of those who died on your watch!
2. Email scandal not that she did it but that you or I would already have been punished for what she did.
3. Her lies about being under fire while she was visiting Bosnia and then plays it off when she gets caught by saying she misspoke.
4. The way she treats those who are assigned to protect her. I spoke with some secret service agents and the told me they are either treated like the help or ignored completely. None of them want to work in her protection detail. I could never vote for a her... Ever Like I said before She is a 0.00 to me, Trump is a 0.01... The .01 has my vote. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
He would never vote 3rd party which I don't understand, but that is his choice. Most of the military people I know don't like her for mostly #1 and #3. I don't agree with him, but this I respect his opinion. Sadly that means he is voting for Trump. Other people I know haven't decided what they are going to do, but they will probably stay home.
Your friend is a dummy.
Hmm whatever. Most military people I know feel the same he does. And the email thing usually isn't even on their list.
Hmm whatever. Most military people I know feel the same he does. And the email thing usually isn't even on their list.
The feelings you outlined are valid and don't make someone a dummy. The conclusion that your friend has come to (which I'm assuming is based mostly on the list of concerns) is what's making me scratch my head. So she's a zero. How do any of those issues make Trump a .01? I don't get it.
PDQ as I will delete- This was written by a well-educated, well-respected in her community, family member when we were on a group email discussing our "I Side With" quiz results. I think she raises some valid points (not that I agree with all of them), as to why people may not like Hillary.
As a lifelong, ardent feminist, I can not fathom voting for Hillary, who enabled and defended her husband's sexual predations of women in the workplace; who slandered the women who lodged complaints against him as "looneys", "bimbos" and "what you get when you drag a $100 bill through a trailer park" (the latter said through her spokesman) and who blamed "a vast, right-wing conspiracy" for Bill's sexual reputation.
Her personal email server-others have gone to prison (Sandy Berger) or lost their jobs, security clearance and more (Pretraeus) for less. Can you imagine if President Nixon, when ordered to turn over his White House tapes had said "I'm turning over half of them. I burned the other half because they only had to do with my personal trainer and my daughter's wedding". But that's exactly what Hillary said when ordered to turn over her emails. .
Just off the top of my head- a list of her history of lies and corruption: • Turning a $1,000 investment into $100,00 in one year via handily untraceable investments in "cattle futures" arranged by someone seeking favor from her then-govenror husband; • the White Water ponzi scheme that sent several people to prison - one for refusing to testify about the Clintons' role in it [that person was later pardoned by then Pres. Clinton] • Her "missing" Rose law firm billing records, untraceable for years & deemed lost, that turned up on the dining table in the private quarters of the White House, once she'd been acquitted • Whatever it was she packed up and carried out of Vince Foster's office after his suicide -- before either gov't officials or his family could get there. • The deaths in Bengazi, on Sept. 11, and the 13 hours firefight battle that caused them were the unforeseeable, spontaneous result of a street crowd's protest against a "video". That lie repeated face to face with the bereaved families of those who died. "We'll get the men who made that awful video!" she assured them, knowing all the while that it was a well planned Al Queda attack. • While she was Secretary of State, the State Dept. granted requests to foreign countries as soon as they paid Bill half a million dollar to give a speech. • Destroying the lives of every person on the White House travel staff, both financially and by slander, just so she could put her Arkansas friends in their place -- those friends later had to be removed; they did not have the necessary security clearance for that sensitive job - something she overlooked.
All that being said, my stance remains Not Trump, Never Trump.
I was told that Bill Clinton has a revolving door for mistresses. And the secret service shuffles them out when HRC comes to visit him. If she can't even keep her husband happy, how can she keep a whole country happy???
And they also discussed the emails. I just kept thinking of my exit strategy while they ranted.
I'm in a pretty conservative area, and I hear this argument and the fact that she "never smiles" and "looks like a bitch" a lot. It enrages me. If you don't like HRC, fine, but find a better argument as to why you don't support her.
Hmm whatever. Most military people I know feel the same he does. And the email thing usually isn't even on their list.
I heard from a few people that have/had clearances on how her emails were so wrong, she's a criminal, and she should go to jail. Soldiers that committed far less would be stripped of rank and jailed over it. I don't believe they realize what "retroactively classified" means. Of course I got sick of hearing about this crap so the last I heard it was all retro'ed stuff and nothing was classified at the time. it's like they forgot their whole training on classification of materials. People also can be "classify happy" over stuff to make it appear she had a lot of things on her computer that shouldn't have been. Plus it could have been bits and pieces but since the emails were released together, it made the collective classified.
It's a dog -not classified
The fur is red - not classified
The dog has red fur- classified.
And then I've also read the emails were treasonous and they should seek the death penalty.
I was told that Bill Clinton has a revolving door for mistresses. And the secret service shuffles them out when HRC comes to visit him. If she can't even keep her husband happy, how can she keep a whole country happy???
And they also discussed the emails. I just kept thinking of my exit strategy while they ranted.
I'm in a pretty conservative area, and I hear this argument and the fact that she "never smiles" and "looks like a bitch" a lot. It enrages me. If you don't like HRC, fine, but find a better argument as to why you don't support her.
Let me clarify that this is was was told to me and not my personal views on the matter. As someone who's, now ex, husband cheated on them, infidelity of a man does not reflect upon the woman who he is cheating on.
Post by jeaniebueller on Jun 9, 2016 12:18:24 GMT -5
I thought it was common knowledge that there actually was a concerted right wing smear campaign/conspiracy or whatever you want to call it, against the Clintons?
Post by alexithymia on Jun 9, 2016 12:30:00 GMT -5
I'm just so completely frustrated with this election. I cannot, for the life of me, believe that these two are really the best that the two main parties have to offer. It completely blows my mind.
I really hate to be cynical, but I feel like part of the reason is that our country has become apathetic. No one actually wants to spend the time to research candidates and their records, and find out what they really stand for. Instead, we've ended up with two very recognizable names.
I know this isn't the only factor, but it really feels like it contributed to the situation.
I'm in a pretty conservative area, and I hear this argument and the fact that she "never smiles" and "looks like a bitch" a lot. It enrages me. If you don't like HRC, fine, but find a better argument as to why you don't support her.
Let me clarify that this is was was told to me and not my personal views on the matter. As someone who's, now ex, husband cheated on them, infidelity of a man does not reflect upon the woman who he is cheating on.
Oh, no, I didn't take this as your opinion. I was just relating to your post.