and Israel is mentioned in the invest/divest section (best read in the context of the platform rather than excerpted, but I've excerpted nevertheless):
The US military accounts for over 50 percent of discretionary federal spending, a total of 598.5 Billion dollars spent annually, as compared to 70 billion spent on education, 66 billion spent on healthcare, $63.2 billion spent on housing and 29.1 billion spent on social security and unemployment. In addition, approximately 3 billion dollars in US aid is allocated to Israel, a state that practices systematic discrimination and has maintained a military occupation of Palestine for decades. Together with aid to Egypt — Israel’s most important regional ally — this figure represents nearly 75 percent of all US aid dollars. As these figures demonstrate, resources and funds needed for reparations and for building a just and equitable society domestically are instead used to wage war against a majority of the world’s communities.
The US justifies and advances the global war on terror via its alliance with Israel and is complicit in the genocide taking place against the Palestinian people. The US requires Israel to use 75 percent of all the military aid it receives to buy US-made arms. Consequently, every year billions of dollars are funneled from US taxpayers to hundreds of arms corporations, who then wage lobbying campaigns pushing for even more foreign military aid. The results of this policy are twofold: it not only diverts much needed funding from domestic education and social programs, but it makes US citizens complicit in the abuses committed by the Israeli government. Israel is an apartheid state with over 50 laws on the books that sanction discrimination against the Palestinian people. Palestinian homes and land are routinely bulldozed to make way for illegal Israeli settlements. Israeli soldiers also regularly arrest and detain Palestinians as young as 4 years old without due process. Everyday, Palestinians are forced to walk through military checkpoints along the US-funded apartheid wall.
Federal Action:
Build invest/divestment campaigns that ends US Aid to Israel’s military industrial complex and any government with human rights violations.
State Action:
Fight the expanding number of Anti-BDS bills being passed in states around the country. This type of legislation not only harms the movement to end the Israeli occupation of Palestine, but is a threat to the constitutional right to free speech and protest
Post by cookiemdough on Jun 26, 2017 9:32:41 GMT -5
I think that strays from what I believe the focus of BLM should be. I don't fault someone for choosing not to support the organization that is impacted by that policy position. That being said you don't have to support BLM to support civil rights of black people and not wanting is killed. I didn't see the poster indicating that she had abandoned her views on black civil rights based on BLM. I don't think one organization should be the totality of our voice so from that perspective I am okay with that.
To me that is completely different for hating BLM because blue lives matter too or some shit.
You are missing the point. Israel was created in 1948 because for 500 yrs Jews had been kicked out of countries or prevented from immigrating for being Jewish and faced death because of it. Ending with the Holocaust where millions died because they were denied visas solely on the basis of their religion. Israel was formed because the International community accepted its need to exist as a safe guard.
One can support that and still support Social Justice issues in the US.
* also the 6 million is strictly the Holocaust not the Progroms, expulsions, Spanish Inqusition Deaths, the random acts of violence against Jewish communities, KKK deaths, men like Leo Frank who was lynched.
This is as far as I have gotten and this thread has been all over the place. But this was the question I asked a million years ago and looking at Wikipedia and other sources has not answered this question for me.
I fully understand why Israel was created in 1948. I fully understand that it was needed so the entire Jewish population was not exterminated (sorry if that isn't an appropriate term). But I also assume that there were inhabitants already on this land when Israel was created in 1948. What happened to those people? Who were those people? Were they Palestinians? What was supposed to happen when land that was occupied was given to other people? Jewish people are saying this land was returned to them if I am not mistaken and Palestinians are saying that the land was theirs, so how do you resolve that? Because deep down isn't this what it all comes down to?
They were living under the British protectorate. There was a mix of Jewish and Palestinian (Muslim) and European settlements/citizens. The government was ceded to the Jewish population but ownership of land was not changed (if you owned land it stayed yours) which yes gets messy when you aren't OK living under Jewish rule but strictly speaking you owned what you owned. Taking,land didn't begin until Israel's neighbors attacked and they attacked back taking territory this also happened in the war in the 60s where Israel was attacked this is when much of the disputed territory was taken over because they were sick of being attacked from that area.
"I supported BLM until they actively began discriminating against me and mine. I still cape for black rights and empowerment, but I don't support an organization that calls for my annihilation."
I'm going to guess that this was in reference to BLM platform "A Vision for Black Lives", which does include a paragraph regarding Israel that says:
""The US justifies and advances the global war on terror via its alliance with Israel and is complicit in the genocide taking place against the Palestinian people,” the platform says. “Israel is an apartheid state with over 50 laws on the books that sanction discrimination against the Palestinian people.”"
I read an interesting op-ed about this issue awhile ago that I'll share:
Wait Black Lives Matter calls for the annialiton of jewish people?
Can I have a citation for that?
I assume the pp was referring to this, from the official movement for black lives platform/demands:
he US justifies and advances the global war on terror via its alliance with Israel and is complicit in the genocide taking place against the Palestinian people. The US requires Israel to use 75 percent of all the military aid it receives to buy US-made arms. Consequently, every year billions of dollars are funneled from US taxpayers to hundreds of arms corporations, who then wage lobbying campaigns pushing for even more foreign military aid. The results of this policy are twofold: it not only diverts much needed funding from domestic education and social programs, but it makes US citizens complicit in the abuses committed by the Israeli government. Israel is an apartheid state with over 50 laws on the books that sanction discrimination against the Palestinian people. Palestinian homes and land are routinely bulldozed to make way for illegal Israeli settlements. Israeli soldiers also regularly arrest and detain Palestinians as young as 4 years old without due process. Everyday, Palestinians are forced to walk through military checkpoints along the US-funded apartheid wall.
Well, also, I think this is a problematic statement. Since it almost immediately follows the one you quoted, it seemingly equates Israel's continued existence with white supremacy.
The interlinked systems of white supremacy, imperialism, capitalism and patriarchy shape the violence we face. As oppressed people living in the US, the belly of global empire, we are in a critical position to build the necessary connections for a global liberation movement. Until we are able to overturn US imperialism, capitalism and white supremacy, our brothers and sisters around the world will continue to live in chains. Our struggle is strengthened by our connections to the resistance of peoples around the world fighting for their liberation. The Black radical tradition has always been rooted in igniting connection across the global south under the recognition that our liberation is intrinsically tied to the liberation of Black and Brown people around the world.
You are missing the point. Israel was created in 1948 because for 500 yrs Jews had been kicked out of countries or prevented from immigrating for being Jewish and faced death because of it. Ending with the Holocaust where millions died because they were denied visas solely on the basis of their religion. Israel was formed because the International community accepted its need to exist as a safe guard.
One can support that and still support Social Justice issues in the US.
* also the 6 million is strictly the Holocaust not the Progroms, expulsions, Spanish Inqusition Deaths, the random acts of violence against Jewish communities, KKK deaths, men like Leo Frank who was lynched.
This is as far as I have gotten and this thread has been all over the place. But this was the question I asked a million years ago and looking at Wikipedia and other sources has not answered this question for me.
I fully understand why Israel was created in 1948. I fully understand that it was needed so the entire Jewish population was not exterminated (sorry if that isn't an appropriate term). But I also assume that there were inhabitants already on this land when Israel was created in 1948. What happened to those people? Who were those people? Were they Palestinians? What was supposed to happen when land that was occupied was given to other people? Jewish people are saying this land was returned to them if I am not mistaken and Palestinians are saying that the land was theirs, so how do you resolve that? Because deep down isn't this what it all comes down to?
I think we need to be clear that we're talking about two different groups of Palestinians. There are those who live inside Israel's 1948 borders and have citizenship and representation in government.
Then there are those living in the West Bank and Gaza. The West Bank was actually supposed to be an Arab state and was set aside as Transjordan. That never happened because Israel was attacked during the Six Day War and Israel gained control of that land. Israel is now holding onto it until a viable peace agreement is reached (and there's the rub). Those are the Palestinians who are living in the worst conditions and who everyone is most concerned about.
Re: the specific paragraph in the Invest/Divest section from the Movement for Black Lives' platform: When groups who are critical of Israel start using words like "genocide" and "apartheid state", they're creating an inflammatory position. Neither term is correct in describing what is going on with Israel and the occupied territories. In fact, I find the use of genocide to be extremely inappropriate. Israel is NOT systematically murdering Palestinians. In fact the Palestinians have enjoyed a steady annual population growth rate since the mid-90s of 2.9% in the territories and about 2.0% in Israel.
We've gone over ad nauseum why "apartheid state" does not apply.
Wait Black Lives Matter calls for the annialiton of jewish people?
Can I have a citation for that?
I assume the pp was referring to this, from the official movement for black lives platform/demands:
he US justifies and advances the global war on terror via its alliance with Israel and is complicit in the genocide taking place against the Palestinian people. The US requires Israel to use 75 percent of all the military aid it receives to buy US-made arms. Consequently, every year billions of dollars are funneled from US taxpayers to hundreds of arms corporations, who then wage lobbying campaigns pushing for even more foreign military aid. The results of this policy are twofold: it not only diverts much needed funding from domestic education and social programs, but it makes US citizens complicit in the abuses committed by the Israeli government. Israel is an apartheid state with over 50 laws on the books that sanction discrimination against the Palestinian people. Palestinian homes and land are routinely bulldozed to make way for illegal Israeli settlements. Israeli soldiers also regularly arrest and detain Palestinians as young as 4 years old without due process. Everyday, Palestinians are forced to walk through military checkpoints along the US-funded apartheid wall.
This is where i am too. I think also, pointing out that the name is jewish and that it bothers some of us when its used that way shouldnt be greeted with people rolling their eyes, telling us its not antisemitic because its sir mix-a-lot or beyonce (neither of whom are perfect, last i checked), and telling us we are coopting a name that IS jewish, is pretty fucked up.
You took it as that. I took it as "that terms has been part of Black culture for like, 30 years and literally had nothing to do with Jewish women and everything to do blonde Valley Girls."
I could just as easily say you are rolling your eyes at a part of Black culture. And WTF does they're not perfect mean? Did they do something anti-Semitic I missed?
I think the point was "well So and So said it" doesn't automatically mean it isn't anti-Semitic because no one is perfect. The way it was thrown in as a defense of why it couldn't possibly be anti-semetic didn't make sense.
I didn't see any Jewish posters rolling their eyes at the use of Becky. Some were simply stating that the use of it in this thread was hurtful.
• The US military accounts for over 50 percent of discretionary federal spending, a total of 598.5 Billion dollars spent annually, as compared to 70 billion spent on education, 66 billion spent on healthcare, $63.2 billion spent on housing and 29.1 billion spent on social security and unemployment. In addition, approximately 3 billion dollars in US aid is allocated to Israel, a state that practices systematic discrimination and has maintained a military occupation of Palestine for decades. Together with aid to Egypt — Israel’s most important regional ally — this figure represents nearly 75 percent of all US aid dollars. As these figures demonstrate, resources and funds needed for reparations and for building a just and equitable society domestically are instead used to wage war against a majority of the world’s communities.
This is where i am too. I think also, pointing out that the name is jewish and that it bothers some of us when its used that way shouldnt be greeted with people rolling their eyes, telling us its not antisemitic because its sir mix-a-lot or beyonce (neither of whom are perfect, last i checked), and telling us we are coopting a name that IS jewish, is pretty fucked up.
You took it as that. I took it as "that terms has been part of Black culture for like, 30 years and literally had nothing to do with Jewish women and everything to do blonde Valley Girls."
I could just as easily say you are rolling your eyes at a part of Black culture. And WTF does they're not perfect mean? Did they do something anti-Semitic I missed?
Right except that maybe its been offending for 30 years (as it was mentioned, it was also pretty obviously a knock on "japs"). Thats what im saying. Maybe sir mix a lot and beyonce didnt consider that its a jewish name (thats what i meant by them not being perfect, im not suggesting either are antisemitic, i have no knowledge either way about them, as they arent people i know much about). There are plenty, PLENTY of terms, etc with racists roots that a lot of people are not aware of. This isnt different, people dont think sometimes and use offensive language. maybe Jewish people are also tired of pointing these things out, the same way any other oppressed group is. Hell, im fucking tired of explaining to people that getting "jewed out of money" isnt cool to say, and thats fucking obvious. I think we are all also tired of explaining that the policies of the israeli government are NOT those of american jews.
Is The Movement for Black Lives the same as BLM? Serious question. I seriously have never heard this about BLM.
Good point. I googled "Black Lives Matter platform," and the first result was the Movement for Black Lives website. I see BLM doesn't have a platform but guiding principles instead. They appear to actually be different? Curious if anyone has more knowledge.
You took it as that. I took it as "that terms has been part of Black culture for like, 30 years and literally had nothing to do with Jewish women and everything to do blonde Valley Girls."
I could just as easily say you are rolling your eyes at a part of Black culture. And WTF does they're not perfect mean? Did they do something anti-Semitic I missed?
I think the point was "well So and So said it" doesn't automatically mean it isn't anti-Semitic because no one is perfect. The way it was thrown in as a defense of why it couldn't possibly be anti-semetic didn't make sense.
I didn't see any Jewish posters rolling their eyes at the use of Becky. Some were simply stating that the use of it in this thread was hurtful.
Is The Movement for Black Lives the same as BLM? Serious question. I seriously have never heard this about BLM.
I don't know. Doesn't look like it, though obviously they sorta took off at the same time? Several news outlets appear to conflate them though when I googled - citing this policy position as "Black Lives Matter says...." (NBC, Washington Times [blech], etc)
I think the point was "well So and So said it" doesn't automatically mean it isn't anti-Semitic because no one is perfect. The way it was thrown in as a defense of why it couldn't possibly be anti-semetic didn't make sense.
I didn't see any Jewish posters rolling their eyes at the use of Becky. Some were simply stating that the use of it in this thread was hurtful.
....I'm not even dealing with this. Trying to explain why that particular name is used in Black culture and met with "well that doesn't mean it's not anti-Semitic! That's not a defense!"
Ok. I guess I can see it being used both ways. I think it absolutely can be something that is deeply part of Black culture, but also something that, especially in context of a debate about Isreal, that can be taken negatively about Jewish people. Things can be taken negatively even if the intent is not there.
Right except that maybe its been offending for 30 years (as it was mentioned, it was also pretty obviously a knock on "japs"). Thats what im saying. Maybe sir mix a lot and beyonce didnt consider that its a jewish name (thats what i meant by them not being perfect, im not suggesting either are antisemitic, i have no knowledge either way about them, as they arent people i know much about). There are plenty, PLENTY of terms, etc with racists roots that a lot of people are not aware of. This isnt different, people dont think sometimes and use offensive language. maybe Jewish people are also tired of pointing these things out, the same way any other oppressed group is. Hell, im fucking tired of explaining to people that getting "jewed out of money" isnt cool to say, and thats fucking obvious. I think we are all also tired of explaining that the policies of the israeli government are NOT those of american jews.
Thats all i meant.
K, well....I am not that tied to the name but I am struggling here so I'mma back on out.
Rebecca is considered one of the mothers of Judaism, along with Sarah and Rachel. Its not just a common, modern Jewish name. Shes pretty important.
Is The Movement for Black Lives the same as BLM? Serious question. I seriously have never heard this about BLM.
I don't know. Doesn't look like it, though obviously they sorta took off at the same time? Several news outlets appear to conflate them though when I googled - citing this policy position as "Black Lives Matter says...." (NBC, Washington Times [blech], etc)
As far as I understand, the Black Lives Matter Network is a member of the Movement for Black Lives. The Movement for Black Lives is a coalition of many different groups that represents the interests of black communities.
Is The Movement for Black Lives the same as BLM? Serious question. I seriously have never heard this about BLM.
I actually REALLY feel like I need to know the answer to this. Because this platform has cause a lot of Jews I know to turn away from BLM (though not from the cause of civil rights) and if it's because of something being attributed to them incorrectly, I would like to correct that ASAP
I don't know. Doesn't look like it, though obviously they sorta took off at the same time? Several news outlets appear to conflate them though when I googled - citing this policy position as "Black Lives Matter says...." (NBC, Washington Times [blech], etc)
As far as I understand, the Black Lives Matter Network is a member of the Movement for Black Lives. The Movement for Black Lives is a coalition of many different groups that represents the interests of black communities.
Post by cookiemdough on Jun 26, 2017 9:59:27 GMT -5
This disclaimer is on the site after listing the endorsers.
"**Endorsement of the platform reflects support of the forty policy demands listed but not necessarily an endorsement of the accompanying policy briefs or campaigns listed under the “Take Action” section of this website"
I don't know. Doesn't look like it, though obviously they sorta took off at the same time? Several news outlets appear to conflate them though when I googled - citing this policy position as "Black Lives Matter says...." (NBC, Washington Times [blech], etc)
As far as I understand, the Black Lives Matter Network is a member of the Movement for Black Lives. The Movement for Black Lives is a coalition of many different groups that represents the interests of black communities.
Ah, yes - that looks right. They are listed on the page I linked above as a member. So...yes, they have signed on to these policy points and demands, along with dozens of other groups.
Interestingly there are also policy endorsers, about whom the website says this:
**Endorsement of the platform reflects support of the forty policy demands listed but not necessarily an endorsement of the accompanying policy briefs or campaigns listed under the “Take Action” section of this website
That list of endorsers includes the following groups, which seem relevant to this facet of the discussion: Jews for Palestinian Right of Return Jewish Voice for Peace US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation
(I know nothing about these groups. Just sharing info for the sake of discussion)
So whether people who see that policy demand as antisemitic or otherwise problematic should be turning away from BLM specifically sounds complicated. It's just one of many demands and policy points, and lord knows I'm a member of the democratic party (for example) without agreeing with absolutely every plank in their platform.
Short answer seems to be that BLM and the MFBL are two different groups - but BLM supports the MFBL. And the MFBL has made problematic statements about Israel. What you do with that from there, I'm not sure.
Rebecca is considered one of the mothers of Judaism, along with Sarah and Rachel. Its not just a common, modern Jewish name. Shes pretty important.
Names are particularly challenging as they change quickly. I don't want to derail this too much but some people hear Avery and think a cute little girl. I hear Avery and it will always be a boy name to me. Every Avery I knew growing up was male. People have taken it to the girl side but it will always sound like a boy name to me. It feels like Rebecca is doing the same for some of us. I know plenty of non-Jewish Rebeccas. The same with Rachel and Sara(h). We are all coming at this from our own perspective and it's proving to be a real challenge in this conversation.
And thats totally fair. The issue is when people mention it and its basically laughed at as being ridiculous.
You are missing the point. Israel was created in 1948 because for 500 yrs Jews had been kicked out of countries or prevented from immigrating for being Jewish and faced death because of it. Ending with the Holocaust where millions died because they were denied visas solely on the basis of their religion. Israel was formed because the International community accepted its need to exist as a safe guard.
One can support that and still support Social Justice issues in the US.
* also the 6 million is strictly the Holocaust not the Progroms, expulsions, Spanish Inqusition Deaths, the random acts of violence against Jewish communities, KKK deaths, men like Leo Frank who was lynched.
This is as far as I have gotten and this thread has been all over the place. But this was the question I asked a million years ago and looking at Wikipedia and other sources has not answered this question for me.
I fully understand why Israel was created in 1948. I fully understand that it was needed so the entire Jewish population was not exterminated (sorry if that isn't an appropriate term). But I also assume that there were inhabitants already on this land when Israel was created in 1948. What happened to those people? Who were those people? Were they Palestinians? What was supposed to happen when land that was occupied was given to other people? Jewish people are saying this land was returned to them if I am not mistaken and Palestinians are saying that the land was theirs, so how do you resolve that? Because deep down isn't this what it all comes down to?
Exterminated is the correct term. We have yet to return to pre-WW2 levels.
And yeah, that's exactly what it comes down to. The land thing. The history presented here makes it seem like there was the peaceful handoff of land from the British to the Israelis when that is BEYOND not the case. There was a war in 1948.
I'm not sure how much to get into here, but I'm going to go back to 1917 with the Balfour Declaration. Also, I am going to issue the disclaimer that this is based on the history I was taught, in Jewish schools, with decidedly Zionist views, and has been supplemented by my own research over the years to undo the years of one-sided teaching. But it's of course, likely that the influence is still there.
After WWI, Palestine (as the entire area was called then) was no longer under Ottoman rule. It was now a British mandate. Under Ottoman rule, some Zionist Europeans had already begun to move to Israel and begun to purchase land from the Palestinians living there.
1917: the British issue the Balfour Declaration. It read as follows: His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."
1920: the British created Mandate Palestine, where they essentially took over rule of the area and both Arabs and Jews were pretty unhappy with this. There were Arab resistance and Jewish resistance movements.
1948: This is where things get...dicey. Israel signs its Declaration of Independence and establishes the State of Israel. The next day, Egypt, Jordan, and Syria invaded. The Israelis won the war, and this is when many Palestinians became refugees.
So therein lies the problem. I believe that a poll was conducted recently that said that the majority of the Palestinians who have been displaced (or, at this point, whose ancestors were displaced) have said that they would accept monetary compensation and land in the West Bank or Gaza instead of the original land they were moved off of. So why doesn't Israel do that? I DON'T KNOW. I wish I could answer that question for you, because in my mind it seems like a really excellent place to start with peace negotiations. Get rid of the settlements (or tell the settlers they have to live under Palestinian law and pay taxes to the Palestinian Authority if they want to stay) and compensate and reinstate land to those who have been displaced.
This disclaimer is on the site after listing the endorsers.
"**Endorsement of the platform reflects support of the forty policy demands listed but not necessarily an endorsement of the accompanying policy briefs or campaigns listed under the “Take Action” section of this website"
The Black Lives Matter Network is a member though, not an endorser. Which I took to mean is full participation/endorsement since no disclaimer is listed?
Post by laurenpetro on Jun 26, 2017 10:10:07 GMT -5
I've had similar discussions with friends of mine over the years (without the input of a Palestinian) and I've seen them struggle with supporting Israel as a country while condemning the government's actions (specifically regarding settlements but in general the government's treatment of Palestinian people). It's a very thin line to tread and I don't envy them the inner struggle they deal with. I don't know what the solution is to this, and clearly since there's been conflict (is it officially labeled a war? I don't know) for decades with no solution in sight clearly I'm not the only one.
Both sides are right here, and both sides are wrong. There's nothing anyone can do until those in power (ie: the ruling governments of both sides) admit that and move forward. Unfortunately I don't see that happening in any of our lifetimes so realistically speaking I don't know there is a solution to be had. it's soul crushing to think that people will live like this for years and years.
and bringing this back to CE&P hate of DT, having a president who is one-sided on this is not going to lead to peace talks/solutions.
So now barcelonagirl is trying to make me out to be a racist because I didn't realize that there was a difference between two groups that both use the same hashtags and fight for the same thing; especially when BLM is a new movement/ organization that I think we would all agree is not specifically defined like the NAACP or the ADL? Especially since I specifically said that I am supportive of black freedom, rights, and justice multiple times in this thread? I just won't donate or march with specific groups that call for my destruction through the destruction of Israel.
I only brought it up because she inferred that I actively oppress black and brown people, and peddled lies about the Israeli government specifically to inflame racial tensions in this thread in order to justify her bigotry.
But she can tell me to "own what I am", call me Becky as an insult, and tell me that I am a white person with all the power who is an active oppressor, and y'all don't condemn her.
I have suffered significantly because I am a Jew. My family has been murdered by anti-Semites for generations. I have been assaulted and spit on, yelled at in the street, kept out of organizations and jobs, and been treated like a second class citizen my entire life. I am white; I was born to a white family and adopted, and even though I am not racially Jewish I am still subjected to these injustices. My Ashlenazi parents, Hispanic brother, and Mizrahi cousins have it much worse than I do.
This stopped being a political discussion about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict when the OP inadvertently posted anti-Semitic articles that were masquerading as pro-Palestinian viewpoints. I don't expect everyone to recognize that, but I do expect that my viewpoint as the person being insulted and maligned in those articles to be viewed as valid. That did not happen by specific posters, the lack was not called out, and that is shameful on a board that rountinely demands that behavior on the behalf of every other marginalized group..
People have acknowledged she showed her ass In the other thread. If you look in the other thread you will also see that on the weekend much of this was missed and as people are catching up and now they are participating.
I also said you have a reasonable basis for not supporting BLM if they do support that policy and I also pointed out that even if you didn't support BLM it did not mean you did not support black civil rights.
No one called you racist for that and we pushed past barcelona's original post on the issue to understand where your concern came from.
I get it, people weren't here on the weekend when you had to deal with a lot of the fuckery. But we are now, so either you can let us participate and push back accordingly or you can call us shameful and we can retreat on back to the sidelines.
Post by mrsdewinter on Jun 26, 2017 10:19:06 GMT -5
Not trying to speak for all Jews here, just myself: I still fully support BLM. For me, my Jewishness is intrinsic to my anti-racist values and the belief that we have a duty to stand up for the oppressed. I'm proud of the history of Jews fighting for civil rights in the US and while I'm disappointed by the some of the language in the M4BL platform, it doesn't negate my moral responsibility to oppose state violence against POC.
I have also always been opposed to hate/discrimination against Muslims, Arabs and Palestinians. I grew up in a liberal, pro-Palestine Jewish family and I absolutely do not support the oppressive actions of the Israeli govt. it makes me furious when that is done in the name of Judaism.
I am not offended by Becky, as I stated above (although it did feel like the use of Becky and Rivka later in this thread was done intentionally to troll/anger Jewish posters, and that is not OK). I understand that it has a history in black culture that is in reaction to racist oppression of black folk, and to me its meaning is clearly different from JAP. But again, not speaking for other posters or dismissing their opinions.