I mean, I’m not a total asshole, so I’ll vote for him in the general if I have to, but I have many doubts that he will be an effective President.
He'll be about as effective as President as he has been as Senator. Which is to say, he won't do a lot.
I think the NYT’s endorsement was kind of garbage, but I think their assessment basically came down to who would be effective. And on that, I don’t think they’re wrong. They obviously have significant differences in policies, priorities, and leadership styles, but I think either Klobuchar or Warren would be an effective president.
Also, I have raised a few times what would happen if the nominee were to die before the election. Particularly if it happened after early voting started, it would be a clusterfuck because each state handles the issue differently. For some reason nobody seems concerned about an October surprise of DEATH.
He'll be about as effective as President as he has been as Senator. Which is to say, he won't do a lot.
I think the NYT’s endorsement was kind of garbage, but I think their assessment basically came down to who would be effective. And on that, I don’t think they’re wrong. They obviously have significant differences in policies, priorities, and leadership styles, but I think either Klobuchar or Warren would be an effective president.
Also, I have raised a few times what would happen if the nominee were to die before the election. Particularly if it happened after early voting started, it would be a clusterfuck because each state handles the issue differently. For some reason nobody seems concerned about an October surprise of DEATH.
I would 100% read the latest page-turner by James Patterson, "October Surprise of DEATH".
He'll be about as effective as President as he has been as Senator. Which is to say, he won't do a lot.
I think the NYT’s endorsement was kind of garbage, but I think their assessment basically came down to who would be effective. And on that, I don’t think they’re wrong. They obviously have significant differences in policies, priorities, and leadership styles, but I think either Klobuchar or Warren would be an effective president.
Also, I have raised a few times what would happen if the nominee were to die before the election. Particularly if it happened after early voting started, it would be a clusterfuck because each state handles the issue differently. For some reason nobody seems concerned about an October surprise of DEATH.
Oh, I am. I am shocked more people haven’t died yet.
Guys, HRC had to get out there to hurt Bernie because "the system" and "power" are scared of him.
I'm so done with this narrative. The Bernie crew is just the left of the Trump supporters. It's all a conspiracy or deep state.
I just saw a comment that she’s drawing fire away from Biden, and now I’m like, “Yes! Go! Draw that fire!” I don’t want Biden to be the nominee, but I’d rather have a Biden/Harris ticket than whatever hot mess we’d get if Bernie were the nominee.
He'll be about as effective as President as he has been as Senator. Which is to say, he won't do a lot.
I think the NYT’s endorsement was kind of garbage, but I think their assessment basically came down to who would be effective. And on that, I don’t think they’re wrong. They obviously have significant differences in policies, priorities, and leadership styles, but I think either Klobuchar or Warren would be an effective president.
Also, I have raised a few times what would happen if the nominee were to die before the election. Particularly if it happened after early voting started, it would be a clusterfuck because each state handles the issue differently. For some reason nobody seems concerned about an October surprise of DEATH.
It depends on when the death happens. I grew up in Missouri, where we elected a dead man to the US Senate. What happened was that the ballot had closed and the absentee voting started when the D candidate passed away in a plane crash on the way to a campaign event (3 weeks until the election). Because early voting had already started, the ballot stayed the same. The Lt. Governor (the candidate who passed was the Governor) announced that if the candidate was elected, he would nominate his widow to serve. She then served for the two years until the next major election cycle, and then we held another election for who would cover the remaining four years of the term. The situation lead to some interesting conversations at my out of state school: Did you vote for the dead guy? Me: When I voted, he wasn't dead. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_Senate_election_in_Missouri
I also read a very interesting book on alternative history: Then Everything Changed. It takes a real historic event that didn't happen and presented a history of what would have happened. One of the situations deals with what would happen if a president is elected but dies before swearing in. The real situation, someone attempted to kill President Kennedy between election day and inauguration. He was in place and ready to complete the assassination, but Caroline came out of the building to say good bye to her dad. While the assassin didn't want a Catholic president, he wasn't going to kill him in front of his daughter and drove away to try again another day. Before a 2nd attempt, he was caught. Kennedy wasn't yet president, is it a state funeral? It was the closest US presidential election in history, does Nixon challenge the result? VP elect becomes president? An interesting scenario
eport, I know it depends on when the death happens, which is why I specifically said that the scenario I’m particularly concerned about is what happens if the nominee dies after early voting starts. The thing is, since we technically elect the president via the electoral college, each state has its own laws on what would happen. So it would be pretty chaotic. There’s also an issue of whether uncertainty would affect turnout. Of course this is always a risk, but the fact that more people don’t seem concerned about a heart attack survivor who will be 79 on Election Day is honestly kind of baffling to me.
I think without a doubt, if the nominee died before election day, no matter what, a LOT of people would stay home or change their vote. Unlike Missouri, I don't see the nation as a whole electing Dead Bernie as President, regardless of what would actually happen after that.
Gives a whole new meaning to Weekend at Bernie's, huh?
At this time, I would urge you to read the comments - they're pretty great. HRC's job isn't to help him win Iowa. This IS the time to bring concerns like this up. This isn't May, or October. Nary a primary vote has been cast.
IT IS JANUARY. THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF CANDIDATES IN THIS.
WHY IS VETTING BERNIE AND DISCUSSING ISSUES PEOPLE HAVE WITH HIM ALWAYS FORBIDDEN?
So over this dude.
Because the PSA guys are pretty pro-Bernie. That's why.
erose , I havedn't seen any anti-antisemitism in criticisms of Bernie, but I see plenty of sexism and racism coming from his supporters.
I've seen plenty. He's shouty (his vocal patterns are just like every male relative of mine from Brooklyn/the Bronx, it's all coded), isn't this actually a clip of Larry David's voice, etc. There's plenty.
As an actual Jew from the Bronx I strongly disagree. No, we don't all sound like Bernie and no, criticism of Bernie is not thinly veiled anti-Semitism. Knock it off.
Think about where we'd be on environmental issues (and more) if Gore had stayed a Tennessee Senator instead of Fred Thompson, then Lamar Alexander. I'll be pissed if Biden steals my Senator.
We need a Biden type for VEEP - someone who can support the President, not really a future Presidential contender, and won't make much of a difference if they get pulled from their current job.
eport, I know it depends on when the death happens, which is why I specifically said that the scenario I’m particularly concerned about is what happens if the nominee dies after early voting starts. The thing is, since we technically elect the president via the electoral college, each state has its own laws on what would happen. So it would be pretty chaotic. There’s also an issue of whether uncertainty would affect turnout. Of course this is always a risk, but the fact that more people don’t seem concerned about a heart attack survivor who will be 79 on Election Day is honestly kind of baffling to me.
Paul Wellstone died 10 days before the election in 2002.
I do not know if we had early voting then, but we def. do now and the message has been pretty clear that you can pull your ballot and vote for someone else if your candidate drops out or you change your mind. I'd guess this would vary by state though.
Guys, HRC had to get out there to hurt Bernie because "the system" and "power" are scared of him.
I'm so done with this narrative. The Bernie crew is just the left of the Trump supporters. It's all a conspiracy or deep state.
I just saw a comment that she’s drawing fire away from Biden, and now I’m like, “Yes! Go! Draw that fire!” I don’t want Biden to be the nominee, but I’d rather have a Biden/Harris ticket than whatever hot mess we’d get if Bernie were the nominee.
Yup- saw that too, in the same thread as the one I was referencing.
I keep hearing that HRC needs to commit to endorse Sanders should he get the nom for "the good of the party." I'm not liking that turn of phrase. Feels to comrade-y to me. And also isn't that what the Repubs said about 45? Endorse him for the good of the party?
I keep hearing that HRC needs to commit to endorse Sanders should he get the nom for "the good of the party." I'm not liking that turn of phrase. Feels to comrade-y to me. And also isn't that what the Repubs said about 45? Endorse him for the good of the party?
It’s janufuckingary. No fucking way she “needs” to endorse him right now. What giant toddlers.
I keep hearing that HRC needs to commit to endorse Sanders should he get the nom for "the good of the party." I'm not liking that turn of phrase. Feels to comrade-y to me. And also isn't that what the Repubs said about 45? Endorse him for the good of the party?
To be fair, it worked for them. Well, at least insofar as he got elected and has been able to move his/their agenda forward.. TBD on how well it will work out in the long run.
Post by suburbanzookeeper on Jan 22, 2020 1:29:53 GMT -5
I've started getting more polling calls in the last few weeks asking my stance on certain candidates, pairing them against Trump. This is the first year I'm consistently getting political polling calls so this is stupidly exciting for me. More of the questions seem to concern our Congress race which gives me hope we may actually flip it.
I told the last two pollsters that I'd support Sanders if it was him vs. Trump but I'd also voted for a potted plant, a sandwich, and/or a hemorrhoid over Trump.
This is the time to raise these questions and concerns while we still have other solid (and actually D) candidates on the ticket.
LMK when the BS supporters address the racism and sexism.
The more I think about him, the more enraged I get. He endorsed that absolute piece of shit Cenk Uygur for CA-25. But he hasn’t bothered to endorse Jessica Cisneros for TX-28 even though the incumbent, Henry Cuellar, is one of the most conservative Dems on Bernie’s pet issues AND is anti-choice.
GEE, WHY DO WOMEN THINK HE’S SEXIST? I JUST DON’T KNOW!
Frankly if more people said what HRC said back in 2016 or any time in the last four years, maybe we wouldn't be in this dumpster fire of a primary right now. Literally nobody had her back against this asshole four years ago, and she's loyal enough to the party and country that she's not going to let Bernie do to Warren and Biden what they let Bernie do to her. In the 2016, more people in the GOP called out Trump than Democrats called out Bernie. Fucking insane. It's long past time for more people to be speaking up about this asshole.
Literally everyone still in the race owes her both an apology and a gift basket of alcohol as a thank you for her words this week.
Post by cattledogkisses on Jan 22, 2020 10:50:08 GMT -5
I don't want to hear anything about party unity from supporters of the guy who spent months having a tantrum and refusing to support HRC after he lost the primary in 2016.
Bernie just accepted an endorsement from Joe Rogan - transphobic, anti-feminist, etc.
How dare you. Bernie is the biggest feminist in the entire country, nay, WORLD, and has been 100% consistent on not being a sexist for 40+ years. Because his supporters say so.
Bernie just accepted an endorsement from Joe Rogan - transphobic, anti-feminist, etc.
But Ezra Klein (who I normally like), says its fine:
Tweet says: Bernie’s strength is that he can win over some voters who are skeptical of Democrats - like Joe Rogan. If you think getting Trump out of office is actually important, that’s a good thing, and he should lean into it.
In other words we should lean into transphobia and sexism. Sounds about par for the course for Bernie.
But Ezra Klein (who I normally like), says its fine:
Tweet says: Bernie’s strength is that he can win over some voters who are skeptical of Democrats - like Joe Rogan. If you think getting Trump out of office is actually important, that’s a good thing, and he should lean into it.
In other words we should lean into transphobia and sexism. Sounds about par for the course for Bernie.
Oh look Bernie can compromise... no - not on Medicare for all or gradual changes to Medicare, but he will throw gender equity and issues support under the bus for Trump to be ousted.