It looks like I exaggerated for the out-of-country students. The tuition is more than doubled for them, but not quadrupled. Also looks like they've done away with "out of province" designators, which seems strange to me.
Tuition, fees, books, room & board for a Canadian resident in an engineering program (I assumed 6 courses per semester, because most engineering schools in Canada require at least that heavy a course load to complete the program requirements in four years) is over $20k/year. The school I picked has accreditation for their engineering program by the national board that does this in Canada, and is in a relatively large Canadian city. Students at the moment would likely live on campus, because they won't find cheaper accommodations off campus.
Yes, MMM is Canadian so college was either cheap or free. And I think that because he is Canadian, his kid will be able to attend cheaper or free Canadian college too. Or the parents could pay for the child to go almost anywhere. Based on a post they did a couple years ago I'd guess that they have 2-5 million dollars which will only grow because they live on about 25K per year.
I think he has just posted numerous times that paying for a child's college expenses is a want and not a need. This is not that radical when you are choosing between your own retirement due to old age and paying for your child's college. It's weird coming from MMM because he's talking about young retirement. Who chooses not working for a couple extra years over sending their kid to college? It's especially rich given his posts about Raising Children Properly (TM).
Uh, no. Laughably, no. Canadian schools do charge tuition, and it's expensive. Maybe not as crazy as some schools in the US, but comparable to moderate State Universities in the US. When I attended school in the late 90's, tuition was $5/6k, plus another $1k for books. This is for in-province costs. For out of province, double it. For out of country students, quadruple or quintuple it.
So, less than private schools in the US. And, less than some state schools in the US. But hardly "cheap" or "free".
I've maintained my Canadian citizenship. And I can pass along my citizenship to any kids I might have. But, any children I have would still have to pay out-of-country fees until they have resided in Canada for a certain amount of time (not sure how long, but let's estimate it at 2 years).
I have to disagree with you. I don't know how old MMM is, but I'm assuming he's at least my age (37) but probably older. Compared to the cost of going to any US college in the 90s, the cost of going to college in Canada was absolutely "cheap."
When I went to college in Canada in 1995-99, tuition for my Canadian classmates was in the $2k-$3k CAD range a year. For international students, it was in the $7k or $8k CAD range, but towards the end of my time, I think they kicked up the cost for international students in the business and engineering programs, of which I was one, to maybe around $10k CAD a year.
At the time, the cost of going to an in-state university in the United States would have cost me around $9k or $10k USD for the state "flagship" school, and probably $5k or $6k or so for smaller state school. Tuition alone at a private school would have cost $18-$25k USD.
The exchange rate during that time was such that the CAD was worth around 65-70% of the US dollar in 1995, and bottomed out to just under 50% of the US dollar at the time of the tuition hike.
That meant that even while paying the highest rate at a Canadian university ($10k CDN, or roughly 5k USD), I was paying about the same rate or even less compared to the cheapest four year college available to me in the United States.
$5k USD is cheap compared to other US school options ($10k, and $20k+).
But the rate the Canadians were paying -- 2k-3k CDN, which equated to about $1k-2k USD at the time, as compared to any of those options, absolutely is extraordinarily cheap.
So I'm not sure how things compare now, but how things compare for MMM versus how they compare to people in his age bracket and people coming out of college today, his tuition was bargain basement.
If he doesn't acknowledge this, I hate him even more.
Lol! It's possible, I only went over there once. They seemed nice, but probably not as nice as MM. Sure, they're high on endorphins and all, but when that wears off, how nice can they be?
I think we're nice until runger strikes, then, watch your back!
Or you start trying to sell your latest multi level/ drop 5 pounds a week weight loss program.
Omg I think I was the only one who called shoegal a troll and that was a JOKE about her relentlessly positive attitude. Which, let's be honest, is intense.
Has MM completely lost all capacity for humor?
Hey! You're here like twice a year, we can't be expected to remember your wry sense of humor.
One of which is to post a wedding picture and get a bunch of gratuitous likes.
Game of Thrones - Team Tyrion/Team Daenerys Mad Men - Team Don/Team Betty/Team Joan/Team Peggy in that order (since those are often mutually exclusive) and I can't stand hardly anyone else Bold & the Beautiful - Team Taylor/Team Steffy Real Housewives of BH - Team Kyle Girls - Team No one, I hate them all Also, I prefer Selling NY to Selling LA and Selling London and Million Dollar Listing NY (I am a big team switcher on this show) to MDL LA (Team Josh Katz) or MDL Miami (Team no one)
Those are pretty much all my teams. Let me know if we can partner together on something lol.
Ok I got some things to work with! GoT: Team Tyrion. I am kind of over Dany but I read the books. I just need her to stop wandering and get to more badassery and I can be on her team again.
Mad Men: Yup, in that same order. And Megan is annoying. I do also like Roger & Ken Cosgrove.
Bold & the Beautiful - never seen it
RHOBH - don't watch
RHONY: team heather and carole! and I go back and forth on the countess. I'm not thrilled that Bethenny is back.
Girls: Yup, insufferable, but I did just binge watch season 4 in one sitting on good friday.
I love Selling NY, Selling LA sucks. I like Million Dollar Listing NYC and have not seen the others.
Uh, no. Laughably, no. Canadian schools do charge tuition, and it's expensive. Maybe not as crazy as some schools in the US, but comparable to moderate State Universities in the US. When I attended school in the late 90's, tuition was $5/6k, plus another $1k for books. This is for in-province costs. For out of province, double it. For out of country students, quadruple or quintuple it.
So, less than private schools in the US. And, less than some state schools in the US. But hardly "cheap" or "free".
I've maintained my Canadian citizenship. And I can pass along my citizenship to any kids I might have. But, any children I have would still have to pay out-of-country fees until they have resided in Canada for a certain amount of time (not sure how long, but let's estimate it at 2 years).
I have to disagree with you. I don't know how old MMM is, but I'm assuming he's at least my age (37) but probably older. Compared to the cost of going to any US college in the 90s, the cost of going to college in Canada was absolutely "cheap."
When I went to college in Canada in 1995-99, tuition for my Canadian classmates was in the $2k-$3k CAD range a year. For international students, it was in the $7k or $8k CAD range, but towards the end of my time, I think they kicked up the cost for international students in the business and engineering programs, of which I was one, to maybe around $10k CAD a year.
At the time, the cost of going to an in-state university in the United States would have cost me around $9k or $10k USD for the state "flagship" school, and probably $5k or $6k or so for smaller state school. Tuition alone at a private school would have cost $18-$25k USD.
The exchange rate during that time was such that the CAD was worth around 65-70% of the US dollar in 1995, and bottomed out to just under 50% of the US dollar at the time of the tuition hike.
That meant that even while paying the highest rate at a Canadian university ($10k CDN, or roughly 5k USD), I was paying about the same rate or even less compared to the cheapest four year college available to me in the United States.
$5k USD is cheap compared to other US school options ($10k, and $20k+).
But the rate the Canadians were paying -- 2k-3k CDN, which equated to about $1k-2k USD at the time, as compared to any of those options, absolutely is extraordinarily cheap.
So I'm not sure how things compare now, but how things compare for MMM versus how they compare to people in his age bracket and people coming out of college today, his tuition was bargain basement.
If he doesn't acknowledge this, I hate him even more.
He has talked about going to college in Canada. I think he is in his mid-forties. I think he grew up in a household that was well-off enough that only his dad needed to work. He's pretty open about these things, but seemingly not self-aware or grateful that he was born into that particular family at that particular time. (Other trivia: he got into sweet, lucrative software before the dotcom bust but then his house-building company crashed and burned in the housing bust).
His shtick, which I at least find really useful, is that if you are a fancy middle-class person, why not live on 25K plus a modest housing stipend and use all your fancy middle-class income to pay off debt and then get ridiculously, stinking rich with the stock market. For me at least it's been a radical idea.
Game of Thrones - Team Tyrion/Team Daenerys Mad Men - Team Don/Team Betty/Team Joan/Team Peggy in that order (since those are often mutually exclusive) and I can't stand hardly anyone else Bold & the Beautiful - Team Taylor/Team Steffy Real Housewives of BH - Team Kyle Girls - Team No one, I hate them all Also, I prefer Selling NY to Selling LA and Selling London and Million Dollar Listing NY (I am a big team switcher on this show) to MDL LA (Team Josh Katz) or MDL Miami (Team no one)
Those are pretty much all my teams. Let me know if we can partner together on something lol.
Ok I got some things to work with! GoT: Team Tyrion. I am kind of over Dany but I read the books. I just need her to stop wandering and get to more badassery and I can be on her team again.
Mad Men: Yup, in that same order. And Megan is annoying. I do also like Roger & Ken Cosgrove.
Bold & the Beautiful - never seen it
RHOBH - don't watch
RHONY: team heather and carole! and I go back and forth on the countess. I'm not thrilled that Bethenny is back.
Girls: Yup, insufferable, but I did just binge watch season 4 in one sitting on good friday.
I love Selling NY, Selling LA sucks. I like Million Dollar Listing NYC and have not seen the others.
YAY!!!!
I am excited that LoveTrains and @songforyou are back on common ground!
MM is the kindest and gentlest board. It's kind of our thing (angel).
I thought that was H&F? Are they not nice anymore? I wouldn't know as I have pursued neither health nor fitness lately. (wilted)
I got side eyed for not locking the front wheel on the BOB while running, but other than that they are very sunshine and rainbows for everybody over there.
@songforyou -- what are your thoughts on MDLNY (Generally) v. MDLLA The Chad Years?
@ The Chad Years. Well, for starters, season after season, I've always preferred MDL NY to MDL LA. I don't even see it as a competition. I really liked Chad (that hair caress/flip habit he had was particularly annoying), so I was glad to see him go. I was always kind of indifferent about Madison, so I don't really care that he's gone, but having Heather around now without him strikes me as kind of unfair. I've always loved Josh Flagg and I actually cried when Edith died last season . I know you said the Chad years, but FYI, I don't love Altman either, but at least he's entertaining. Both Heather and his brother kind of annoy me and I'm really dying to know what happened between them and Mauricio (RHOBH's Kyle's husband), since they had an acrimonious split. Indifferent about the new Brits, too.
I (heart) NY! Sometimes both Ryan and Fredrik piss me off, but ultimately, I really love them both. I was so sad when the blackout happened and Ryan had nowhere to go! Ugh, so sad. I was sad for Fredrik when Derek basically said he didn't want to have a baby with him, but per Fredrik's cameo on RHONY, I think that has been resolved. I liked Michael, but I like Luis, too. I guess I like NY so much more because I've always liked all of the agents so much.
What do you think?
Gah, I really don't like the Brits. But then again, I am relatively new to the show, so take that with a grain of salt. I like Flagg and was so sad about Edith. I wish Altman would think twice about his relationship with Heather and stop thinking about her after the fact. That agitates me to no end.
I love MDLNY more since I know where they are going, the neighborhoods, etc. LA is just lost on me for the most part.
@songforyou -- what are your thoughts on MDLNY (Generally) v. MDLLA The Chad Years?
@ The Chad Years. Well, for starters, season after season, I've always preferred MDL NY to MDL LA. I don't even see it as a competition. I really liked Chad (that hair caress/flip habit he had was particularly annoying), so I was glad to see him go. I was always kind of indifferent about Madison, so I don't really care that he's gone, but having Heather around now without him strikes me as kind of unfair. I've always loved Josh Flagg and I actually cried when Edith died last season . I know you said the Chad years, but FYI, I don't love Altman either, but at least he's entertaining. Both Heather and his brother kind of annoy me and I'm really dying to know what happened between them and Mauricio (RHOBH's Kyle's husband), since they had an acrimonious split. Indifferent about the new Brits, too.
I (heart) NY! Sometimes both Ryan and Fredrik piss me off, but ultimately, I really love them both. I was so sad when the blackout happened and Ryan had nowhere to go! Ugh, so sad. I was sad for Fredrik when Derek basically said he didn't want to have a baby with him, but per Fredrik's cameo on RHONY, I think that has been resolved. I liked Michael, but I like Luis, too. I guess I like NY so much more because I've always liked all of the agents so much.
What do you think?
WHAT!?!?! Gah...I leave the country for a few months and I miss stuff. I used to veg out on MDL LA and NY last year. Need to see if the episodes are online. Its my one guilty pleasure show.
I love @shoegal and how she is like the life coach of MM. I can understand her MMM interest because I have a shameful addiction to the Dave Ramsey podcast even though he holds a lot of bootstrap views and political positions I do not agree with at all.
I think MMM probably has some interesting perspectives (not ones I probably agree with) for a specific audience. But he should absolutely not be insisting that everyone can do what he did.
I have never been able to get over the fact that he only washes his jeans every 34th year (or every several weeks, same difference). If we have to smell you for you to save money, loosen the wallet, pal.
Oh, I was so firmly Team Chad, because he was such a dope and dopes are what I look for in reality TV.
I'm actually much more Team Selling NY than Team MDL though -- I get really excited whenever I pass the Core office, even though I do so like twice a week.
Post by thedutchgirl on Apr 9, 2015 21:53:20 GMT -5
I love where this thread ended up. MMM is a dick. White privilege absolutely exists and to deny or ignore it, when you benefit from it daily, is ugly.
But! I was also sad for Flagg when Edith died. I am glad Bethenny is back. I love Carole but Heather bugs me a little. Team Kyle but really Lisa V. is the best.