What do you want me to do? Say I'm voting for Hillary now? No, it's not on the up and up, but I'm still not super bothered by it.
No. I don't want that in the same way I don't want R's to start voting D. Not speaking for others, but I guess I am looking for a more in-depth understanding of the issue here than a perfunctory "it's not great."
Post by irishbride2 on Dec 19, 2015 13:41:26 GMT -5
What amuses me about my Berner friends are defending him because it was an executives fault not his....is that if Bernie was a CEO and one of his c levels did this, they would claim the Ceo was equally culpable. How is it not the same?
I actually like Bernie, even though I will likely support HRC. But the defense is killing me.
For the record, I expect shade from politicians. I guess you have to find the shade you can live with. For some of you, this is shade you can live with. For instance, I could live with HRC's email business. I would, however, appreciate it if you would acknowledge the wrongness of what transpired here (like I think HRC's email thing was bone-headed and strange and I scowl at it and at her for putting her <us> in the position to be scrutinized and doubted).
I am here with this scandal, just like I was there with HRC's email shenanigans. If it weren't for the email issue, I don't think I would be on the fence like I am between her and Bernie. This isn't enough to push me to a side though. They each have different pros. I find hers a little stronger, but also her cons a little stronger. I don't find this as much of a con as the email stuff because it wasn't him personally doing it over the course of years. I'm still pissed though.
Post by eponinepontmercy on Dec 20, 2015 8:03:10 GMT -5
I just unfollowed a whole bunch of liberal Facebook pages because I'm now done with the pro-bernie sanders cult. No one was acknowledging what actually happened and was just bitching about Hillary and the DNC.
I am honestly surprised by anyone still defending this as "no big deal" or whatever. I would eat my shoe if it this was found to be ok if Trump did this to the RNC. I would dope it would not bel.
I am honestly surprised by anyone still defending this as "no big deal" or whatever. I would eat my shoe if it this was found to be ok if Trump did this to the RNC. I would dope it would not bel.
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Can you imagine if the tables were turned and it was HRC who did this to Bern?!
"Usuncut" (again! Who the hell is this?!) is also creating an alternate reality.
From the NYT:
Democratic Party Defends Actions Over Data Breach as Bernie Sanders’s Campaign Suspends Two Aides
9:08 PM ET 9:08 PM ET Maggie Haberman Photo Supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders rallied in New Hampshire on Saturday. Supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders rallied in New Hampshire on Saturday.Credit Richard Perry/The New York Times Updated, 12:06 a.m. | The Democratic National Committee laid out a detailed timeline Saturday of what happened when Senator Bernie Sanders’s campaign aides gained access to and copied Hillary Clinton’s proprietary voter data during a technological glitch, revealing new details to explain why it had blocked Mr. Sanders’s team from seeing its own data.
The timeline was posted on Medium by the party committee’s chief executive, Amy Dacey, as the Sanders campaign continued to argue that it had been treated unfairly. The campaign took the extraordinary step of suing the party committee to regain its access to the voter file. Late Friday night, the party agreed to restore the campaign’s access.
During Saturday night’s debate, Mr. Sanders repeated his complaint that the punishment was unfair, but he also apologized to Mrs. Clinton. His campaign also said Saturday that it had suspended two aides over the matter. It had earlier fired its national data director.
At issue is a Democratic Party voter list to which both campaigns have access. Each campaign can add its own data, such as which voters it believes are likely to vote for its candidate, helping officials target their outreach. One campaign is not supposed to see another’s data, but for a few hours on Wednesday, a firewall between the campaigns was dropped while NGP VAN, the vendor that controls the 50-state voter file for the party committee, was adjusting a patch on the system.
While each campaign could theoretically look at the others’ data, only the Sanders campaign did so, according to NGP VAN. The Sanders campaign initially said a low-level staff member had been involved. It later emerged that the campaign’s national data director, Josh Uretsky, had obtained information from the Clinton team. Mr. Uretsky was fired.
Three other aides to the Sanders team were seen on audit logs making more than 25 targeted searches of Mrs. Clinton’s data pertaining to early-voting states.
The party then denied the Sanders campaign access to the voter file, including its own data, a move campaign officials described as an overreaction.
Ms. Dacey’s post included details that appeared to contradict the Sanders team’s early claims that it had not retained any of the information it looked at. Mr. Uretsky had also asserted that the only reason anyone from the Sanders campaign looked at Mrs. Clinton’s data was to establish proof of a data breach, not to peek into the Clinton campaign. But according to Ms. Dacey’s account, one of the people who looked at Mrs. Clinton’s data tried to delete records to remove traces of what he had done.
“The information obtained so far shows that the D.N.C.’s concern to have a full, thorough inquiry was fully justified,” Ms. Dacey wrote. “As confirmed by the Sanders campaign in the account given the D.N.C. Friday evening, one of the employees of the campaign involved in the misconduct tried to delete the notes they made recording their accessing of Clinton campaign data to hide his activities.”
Ms. Dacey added, “NGP VAN found that campaign staff on the Sanders campaign, including the campaign’s national data director, had accessed proprietary information about which voters were being targeted by the Clinton campaign — and in doing so violated their agreements with the D.N.C.”
She continued, “These staffers then saved this information in their personal folders on the system, and over the course of the next day, we learned that at least one staffer appeared to have generated reports and exported them from the system.”
Ms. Dacey said that her team had asked Mr. Sanders’s campaign for more information on what had happened and for details of disciplinary actions it might take.
She said the Sanders campaign had delayed providing additional documentation and information until late Friday evening. Once it did, the D.N.C. restored the campaign’s access to its own voter file, “as was always our intention and as we had advised well before they sued the committee,” she said.
The D.N.C. has also asked NGP VAN to investigate how the breach happened.
In Democratic Debate, Hillary Clinton’s Focus Is on G.O.P. In Democratic Debate, Hillary Clinton’s Focus Is on G.O.P. By JONATHAN MARTIN and AMY CHOZICK Hillary Clinton and Senator Bernie Sanders put aside the hard feelings over the breach of her voter data, while they and Martin O’Malley had heated exchanges on foreign policy and corporate America. Bernie Sanders Falls Behind in a Race Centered on Security Bernie Sanders Falls Behind in a Race Centered on Security By PATRICK HEALY After the terrorist attacks in Paris and California, Mr. Sanders’s progressive political message seems lost in a fog of fear. Find out what you need to know about the 2016 presidential race today, and get politics news updates via Facebook, Twitter and the First Draft newsletter. Share Tweet
Enjoy the next 4-8 years in a Republican presidency. #thanksobama
Honestly, I think Bernie will win if he has the nomination. And as a frustrated Republican...I just hope it serves as a wake-up call to the GOP to change strategies.
I've decided everytime a Berner on my FB talks about making a donation to Bernie I will be countering with my own to HRC. I encourage my HRC friends to do the same.
Berners like to do this. "Oh the DNC/mainstream media/HRC/the natural elements are not treating Bernie fairly? Time for us to donate!"
Enjoy the next 4-8 years in a Republican presidency. #thanksobama
Honestly, I think Bernie will win if he has the nomination. And as a frustrated Republican...I just hope it serves as a wake-up call to the GOP to change strategies.
I don't think he will. Especially if it's Sanders vs. Rubio, Rubio wins. Sanders just doesn't have a presidential temperament, and he will look even older next to Rubio.
Honestly, I think Bernie will win if he has the nomination. And as a frustrated Republican...I just hope it serves as a wake-up call to the GOP to change strategies.
I don't think he will. Especially if it's Sanders vs. Rubio, Rubio wins. Sanders just doesn't have a presidential temperament, and he will look even older next to Rubio.
Agreed. People will tire of him very quickly. My husband loved him six months ago. Now he's saying that he's cray cray and unfit for president. Honestly, the more I see of him, the more I tire of him too. And with this shit, it's clear he's going off the deep end. I'd still vote for him in the general because duh, but I don't see the rest of the country waiting in line because they are losing sleep about Ginsburg's seat.
I don't think he will. Especially if it's Sanders vs. Rubio, Rubio wins. Sanders just doesn't have a presidential temperament, and he will look even older next to Rubio.
Agreed. People will tire of him very quickly. My husband loved him six months ago. Now he's saying that he's cray cray and unfit for president. Honestly, the more I see of him, the more I tire of him too. And with this shit, it's clear he's going off the deep end. I'd still vote for him in the general because duh, but I don't see the rest of the country waiting in line because they are losing sleep about Ginsburg's seat.
I keep coming back to the fact that Bernie has been in Congress for 25 years and has no major economic legislation to show for it. He says we need a $15/hour minimum wage. Great, I'd love to see that happen. But with a Republican Congress, how exactly is that going to happen?
Sanders' focus is just far too narrow for a president. I'm glad he's been in the campaign to pull Clinton left, but someone with this narrow of a focus belongs in the legislature or perhaps in the Cabinet. But not as Commander in Chief and chief executive of all the administrative agencies.
Enjoy the next 4-8 years in a Republican presidency. #thanksobama
Honestly, I think Bernie will win if he has the nomination. And as a frustrated Republican...I just hope it serves as a wake-up call to the GOP to change strategies.
Honestly, I think Bernie will win if he has the nomination. And as a frustrated Republican...I just hope it serves as a wake-up call to the GOP to change strategies.
I don't think he will. Especially if it's Sanders vs. Rubio, Rubio wins. Sanders just doesn't have a presidential temperament, and he will look even older next to Rubio.
I absolutely agree. Bernie can't win a national election. That's why I keep,saying he needs to sit down.
Agreed. People will tire of him very quickly. My husband loved him six months ago. Now he's saying that he's cray cray and unfit for president. Honestly, the more I see of him, the more I tire of him too. And with this shit, it's clear he's going off the deep end. I'd still vote for him in the general because duh, but I don't see the rest of the country waiting in line because they are losing sleep about Ginsburg's seat.
I keep coming back to the fact that Bernie has been in Congress for 25 years and has no major economic legislation to show for it. He says we need a $15/hour minimum wage. Great, I'd love to see that happen. But with a Republican Congress, how exactly is that going to happen?
Sanders' focus is just far too narrow for a president. I'm glad he's been in the campaign to pull Clinton left, but someone with this narrow of a focus belongs in the legislature or perhaps in the Cabinet. But not as Commander in Chief and chief executive of all the administrative agencies.
And I want to emphasize that I have NO negative feelings about Bernie. I genuinely don't. My only concern about him is that I do not feel he can win an election (for reasons such as you've stated) and if he is the nominee, he is putting a modern Republican candidate in office, which is disturbing on so very many levels.
I'm not concerned he'll win the primaries, he's numbers seem about maxed out and he's not gaining in the polls. If anything, this "challenge" is igniting HRC's base.
Honestly, I think Bernie will win if he has the nomination. And as a frustrated Republican...I just hope it serves as a wake-up call to the GOP to change strategies.
I thought you were a Libertarian!
Ideologically, I basically am. But the party appears to be 99% wackadoo (technical term). If Gary Johnson (who straddles R & L) runs on the L ticket again this year, though, I'll totally vote for him. I like him better than any of the current candidates.