Not that I know of, but this morning on MSNBC somebody said that people who knew them said they shared everything on social media. I believe they were described as "a reality show ready to go." They thought this might be a reason he's out there talking so much to the media.
Yet that is the exact opposite of what his statement to GMA said:
"We are a very private family [who] do not use social media outlets prior to this grotesque tragedy."
Isn't it strange that if there was illegal activity going on, they'd be all over the media about this?
Although I don't know when this hit the national media so it's possible some outlet caught the story and since it's about a pretty blonde mom going missing and then being found, the rest of the media caught on and now it's hard to stop the spread. Maybe.
I hadn't heard about it until like yesterday and it was a post on cafe mom. I never heard a thing about her being missing or found from the media, just cafe mom.
I am in MA and this is in CA so maybe it wasn't spread to here, but I'd never heard it while it was going on. I guess it got tons of local coverage but I don't know how much national coverage it got.
Not that I know of, but this morning on MSNBC somebody said that people who knew them said they shared everything on social media. I believe they were described as "a reality show ready to go." They thought this might be a reason he's out there talking so much to the media.
Yet that is the exact opposite of what his statement to GMA said:
"We are a very private family [who] do not use social media outlets prior to this grotesque tragedy."
I remember reading that yesterday morning then her Pinterest boards came out and I thought no way is she only on Pinterest. Doesn't she have a posh mark shop I don't know what that is but I read it in one of the tons of articles.
Also I read the police interviewed her like 40 times. Is that typical or does that show they are trying to poke or bring out inconsistencies they see?
Isn't it strange that if there was illegal activity going on, they'd be all over the media about this?
Although I don't know when this hit the national media so it's possible some outlet caught the story and since it's about a pretty blonde mom going missing and then being found, the rest of the media caught on and now it's hard to stop the spread. Maybe.
Not necessarily, he is sharing details the police doesn't want public and doing things that compromise the investigation. He may be muddying the waters to make it more difficult to prove anything.
I remember reading that yesterday morning then her Pinterest boards came out and I thought no way is she only on Pinterest. Doesn't she have a posh mark shop I don't know what that is but I read it in one of the tons of articles.
Also I read the police interviewed her like 40 times. Is that typical or does that show they are trying to poke or bring out inconsistencies they see?
How long are the interviews? Assuming she is as injured as she is reported to be they may be having to do many short sessions to get as much info as possible plus coming back to ask more questions as they gather information and evidence from other sources. They could be finding inconsistencies and coming back to try and pin her down more though. So maybe something maybe nothing.
I think she and her husband cooked up this scheme together. The fact that she was beaten and branded does not sway me from this opinion. Munchausen Syndrome is real and although I think there are other things at play here, it would hardly be the first time someone hurt themselves or loved ones to garner sympathy and / or money.
I'm not quite here yet, but I would not be surprised to learn that they willingly participated in the original snatching, but that something went awry and hse was far more injured than either of them expected her to be. Does that make sense?
I remember reading that yesterday morning then her Pinterest boards came out and I thought no way is she only on Pinterest. Doesn't she have a posh mark shop I don't know what that is but I read it in one of the tons of articles.
Also I read the police interviewed her like 40 times. Is that typical or does that show they are trying to poke or bring out inconsistencies they see?
How long are the interviews? Assuming she is as injured as she is reported to be they may be having to do many short sessions to get as much info as possible plus coming back to ask more questions as they gather information and evidence from other sources. They could be finding inconsistencies and coming back to try and pin her down more though. So maybe something maybe nothing.
I'm not sure. But if her injuries were so severe she couldn't even be interviewed for four days why I wonder did she only spend a few hours in the hospital? Maybe I'm picturing things way way worse than they are but when I think of branding and burning and tons of bruises and 13 pounds lost in a few weeks and broken nose and the husband just said on 20/20 or whatever it is that she was throwing up blood from screaming so loudly to be heard, these injuries to me seem serious enough to need at least an overnight observation. I doubt the alleged kidnappers were treating her burns as the branding so wouldn't they need care? My ds was burned and it was no joke the treatment involved.
All so bizarre. And good point MixedBerryJam maybe they were originally in on whatever it was then it went too far. Good enough guess as any at this point .
This is local to me and I live in a fairly small town. A lot of people that I know, know this family. Some friends of mine went to school with the husband. I don't really have anything to add except that the people here that know them are fully supportive and don't believe there is anything strange about the story.
This is also going to sound horrible, but the Pinterest boards seem kind of standard for some of the people in this town...
That being said, there are still a few people that don't know her or the family that are questioning things. There is definitely a big drug problem here. She was released the same day as the deadline for the ransom amount that an "anonymous donor" was putting up. Some odd stuff going on for sure, but there is also a lot of horrible people out there unfortunately.
How long are the interviews? Assuming she is as injured as she is reported to be they may be having to do many short sessions to get as much info as possible plus coming back to ask more questions as they gather information and evidence from other sources. They could be finding inconsistencies and coming back to try and pin her down more though. So maybe something maybe nothing.
I'm not sure. But if her injuries were so severe she couldn't even be interviewed for four days why I wonder did she only spend a few hours in the hospital? Maybe I'm picturing things way way worse than they are but when I think of branding and burning and tons of bruises and 13 pounds lost in a few weeks and broken nose and the husband just said on 20/20 or whatever it is that she was throwing up blood from screaming so loudly to be heard, these injuries to me seem serious enough to need at least an overnight observation. I doubt the alleged kidnappers were treating her burns as the branding so wouldn't they need care? My ds was burned and it was no joke the treatment involved.
All so bizarre. And good point MixedBerryJam maybe they were originally in on whatever it was then it went too far. Good enough guess as any at this point .
Branding and broken nose would be treat and release. My brother broke his nose playing flag football and had to have surgery on it later but was treated, referred to an ENT and released within a couple hours when he broke it.
The burns would depend on the type and severity. Cigarette burns (which is what I am picturing) wouldn't need overnight stay. They hurt like a MFer but if treated with antiseptic and burn cream are not particularly serious.
I do think that many hospitals would try to do an overnight observation but it's not uncommon for people to be released if not absolutely needing 24 HR care if they are limited on beds or if they have crap insurance that doesn't want to pay.
I'm not sure. But if her injuries were so severe she couldn't even be interviewed for four days why I wonder did she only spend a few hours in the hospital? Maybe I'm picturing things way way worse than they are but when I think of branding and burning and tons of bruises and 13 pounds lost in a few weeks and broken nose and the husband just said on 20/20 or whatever it is that she was throwing up blood from screaming so loudly to be heard, these injuries to me seem serious enough to need at least an overnight observation. I doubt the alleged kidnappers were treating her burns as the branding so wouldn't they need care? My ds was burned and it was no joke the treatment involved.
All so bizarre. And good point MixedBerryJam maybe they were originally in on whatever it was then it went too far. Good enough guess as any at this point .
Branding and broken nose would be treat and release. My brother broke his nose playing flag football and had to have surgery on it later but was treated, referred to an ENT and released within a couple hours when he broke it.
The burns would depend on the type and severity. Cigarette burns (which is what I am picturing) wouldn't need overnight stay. They hurt like a MFer but if treated with antiseptic and burn cream are not particularly serious.
I do think that many hospitals would try to do an overnight observation but it's not uncommon for people to be released if not absolutely needing 24 HR care if they are limited on beds or if they have crap insurance that doesn't want to pay.
I get that most hospitals want you in-and-out for any one of these injuries occuring spontaneously (wrong word but you get my drift), but this person was (I'm talking only about what's "officially" known by me) kidnapped for three weeks - THREE WEEKS - and was tortured and coughing up blood. Any normal hospital would have kept her overnight. Did she leave ama, I wonder? and if so, why? I'd think after an actual kidnap she'd feel safest in the hospital and never want to leave, actually.
Branding and broken nose would be treat and release. My brother broke his nose playing flag football and had to have surgery on it later but was treated, referred to an ENT and released within a couple hours when he broke it.
The burns would depend on the type and severity. Cigarette burns (which is what I am picturing) wouldn't need overnight stay. They hurt like a MFer but if treated with antiseptic and burn cream are not particularly serious.
I do think that many hospitals would try to do an overnight observation but it's not uncommon for people to be released if not absolutely needing 24 HR care if they are limited on beds or if they have crap insurance that doesn't want to pay.
I get that most hospitals want you in-and-out for any one of these injuries occuring spontaneously (wrong word but you get my drift), but this person was (I'm talking only about what's "officially" known by me) kidnapped for three weeks - THREE WEEKS - and was tortured and coughing up blood. Any normal hospital would have kept her overnight. Did she leave ama, I wonder? and if so, why? I'd think after an actual kidnap she'd feel safest in the hospital and never want to leave, actually.
Yeah we would have kept her in the ICU to ensure she didn't have any head stuff going on. And if she tried to leave AMA we'd probably be able to confirm she wasn't of sound mind to make the decision, and if we couldn't, we'd get a hold placed. Plus, police would be at the hospital around the clock either in her room, just outside, or with us at the nurses' station. It'd be a big-fucking deal.
I get that most hospitals want you in-and-out for any one of these injuries occuring spontaneously (wrong word but you get my drift), but this person was (I'm talking only about what's "officially" known by me) kidnapped for three weeks - THREE WEEKS - and was tortured and coughing up blood. Any normal hospital would have kept her overnight. Did she leave ama, I wonder? and if so, why? I'd think after an actual kidnap she'd feel safest in the hospital and never want to leave, actually.
Yeah we would have kept her in the ICU to ensure she didn't have any head stuff going on. And if she tried to leave AMA we'd probably be able to confirm she wasn't of sound mind to make the decision, and if we couldn't, we'd get a hold placed. Plus, police would be at the hospital around the clock either in her room, just outside, or with us at the nurses' station. It'd be a big-fucking deal.
Yeah this makes way way more sense than oh you've had a message branded onto your skin with raised scabs on the body and have been beaten for three weeks and throwing up blood and lost 13 pounds?! Ok off you go take some Tylenol. I mean just this alone has me scratching my head. Like I said, my son was burned and it was not a branded message and it did not accompany three weeks of torture and his treatment at the hospital was very intense.
I just feel like MixedBerryJam is thinking along the lines of what I'm thinking. Each injury in isolation may warrant release in less than a few hours, but take all the injuries together, add the circumstances of those injuries, and it's just way off to me. Wouldn't they even check for like mental trauma after being kidnapped and tortured for three weeks?
It's all too much.
And the poster who lives nearby her and said everyone believes her and her Pinterest represents the areas views, well I'm not surprised they're quick to believe non whites would hurt a blond no questions asked.
I'm not sure. But if her injuries were so severe she couldn't even be interviewed for four days why I wonder did she only spend a few hours in the hospital? Maybe I'm picturing things way way worse than they are but when I think of branding and burning and tons of bruises and 13 pounds lost in a few weeks and broken nose and the husband just said on 20/20 or whatever it is that she was throwing up blood from screaming so loudly to be heard, these injuries to me seem serious enough to need at least an overnight observation. I doubt the alleged kidnappers were treating her burns as the branding so wouldn't they need care? My ds was burned and it was no joke the treatment involved.
All so bizarre. And good point MixedBerryJam maybe they were originally in on whatever it was then it went too far. Good enough guess as any at this point .
Branding and broken nose would be treat and release. My brother broke his nose playing flag football and had to have surgery on it later but was treated, referred to an ENT and released within a couple hours when he broke it.
The burns would depend on the type and severity. Cigarette burns (which is what I am picturing) wouldn't need overnight stay. They hurt like a MFer but if treated with antiseptic and burn cream are not particularly serious.
I do think that many hospitals would try to do an overnight observation but it's not uncommon for people to be released if not absolutely needing 24 HR care if they are limited on beds or if they have crap insurance that doesn't want to pay.
I get that each injury in isolation may not seem like a big deal but added all together is where it gets suspect. Your brothers nose (luckily) wasn't broken as a result of a three week kidnap and torture ordeal.
And a message branded on the skin? I mean, unless it was a one letter message it seems it goes beyond treatment like a cigarette burn. Maybe I'm imagining her injuries way worse than they are. I did read somewhere that the police sort of backed down from the severity and the husband was getting gory so maybe he's being dramatic and she's fine.
I think it sounds a little shady. I don't doubt something happened to her but I am reasonably sure the husband knows more than he is saying. His behavior (the interviews, in particular) are odd - your wife was just found in horrible condition, I'd think he'd be caring for her vs on 20/20
"Hello babies. Welcome to Earth. It's hot in the summer and cold in the winter. It's round and wet and crowded. On the outside, babies, you've got a hundred years here. There's only one rule that I know of, babies-"God damn it, you've got to be kind.”
Branding and broken nose would be treat and release. My brother broke his nose playing flag football and had to have surgery on it later but was treated, referred to an ENT and released within a couple hours when he broke it.
The burns would depend on the type and severity. Cigarette burns (which is what I am picturing) wouldn't need overnight stay. They hurt like a MFer but if treated with antiseptic and burn cream are not particularly serious.
I do think that many hospitals would try to do an overnight observation but it's not uncommon for people to be released if not absolutely needing 24 HR care if they are limited on beds or if they have crap insurance that doesn't want to pay.
I get that most hospitals want you in-and-out for any one of these injuries occuring spontaneously (wrong word but you get my drift), but this person was (I'm talking only about what's "officially" known by me) kidnapped for three weeks - THREE WEEKS - and was tortured and coughing up blood. Any normal hospital would have kept her overnight. Did she leave ama, I wonder? and if so, why? I'd think after an actual kidnap she'd feel safest in the hospital and never want to leave, actually.
With her weight loss I'd assume she was also dehydrated, and that alone means IV fluids. It's honestly just really hard to believe they did all necessary testing, treated her burns, malnutrition, etc. in two hours. And being thrown on the side of the road in chains, she was presumably filthy.
Our local ER can't even muster up the paperwork to admit and discharge someone in two hours.
Branding and broken nose would be treat and release. My brother broke his nose playing flag football and had to have surgery on it later but was treated, referred to an ENT and released within a couple hours when he broke it.
The burns would depend on the type and severity. Cigarette burns (which is what I am picturing) wouldn't need overnight stay. They hurt like a MFer but if treated with antiseptic and burn cream are not particularly serious.
I do think that many hospitals would try to do an overnight observation but it's not uncommon for people to be released if not absolutely needing 24 HR care if they are limited on beds or if they have crap insurance that doesn't want to pay.
I get that each injury in isolation may not seem like a big deal but added all together is where it gets suspect. Your brothers nose (luckily) wasn't broken as a result of a three week kidnap and torture ordeal.
And a message branded on the skin? I mean, unless it was a one letter message it seems it goes beyond treatment like a cigarette burn. Maybe I'm imagining her injuries way worse than they are. I did read somewhere that the police sort of backed down from the severity and the husband was getting gory so maybe he's being dramatic and she's fine.
I can see how a husband may overly exaggerate his wife's injuries without even realizing it - if my husband saw me with even just a busted nose he would probably over-react too, you know? Let alone all the other (even if minor) injuries adding to the way I looked. But even if they were all comparatively physically minor injuries, I agree that it seems weird that she'd be released without staying the night for observation.
I can also understand why the husband (assuming he's innocent) spoke to the media so quickly, and even released the info he did. There's so many rumors and hoax allegations going around, maybe he felt he needed to tell people how serious it was.
I don't know what I even want it to be true - that she was targeted at random and kidnapped and tortured for three weeks by strangers, that it was done to send a message to her and her husband for whatever shenanigans they were involved in, or that one or both of them made it all up. I guess whatever the reason, I hope they get some help.
Post by cattledogkisses on Dec 1, 2016 13:59:34 GMT -5
Do people think that the husband is exaggerating the extent of her injuries, and the police and hospital can't publicly comment to refute his story because of confidentiality?
I get that most hospitals want you in-and-out for any one of these injuries occuring spontaneously (wrong word but you get my drift), but this person was (I'm talking only about what's "officially" known by me) kidnapped for three weeks - THREE WEEKS - and was tortured and coughing up blood. Any normal hospital would have kept her overnight. Did she leave ama, I wonder? and if so, why? I'd think after an actual kidnap she'd feel safest in the hospital and never want to leave, actually.
With her weight loss I'd assume she was also dehydrated, and that alone means IV fluids. It's honestly just really hard to believe they did all necessary testing, treated her burns, malnutrition, etc. in two hours. And being thrown on the side of the road in chains, she was presumably filthy.
Our local ER can't even muster up the paperwork to admit and discharge someone in two hours.
No shit! Seriously they tell you you're being released and it's still hours of papers. And for the lady who was kidnapped etc it's all no biggie? Can't buy it right now.
And why, if there are two Hispanic women on the loose kidnapping complete strangers why aren't the police warning people to be careful etc? Are they and it's not making news?
A lady was killed while jogging in my state not too long ago and honest to God the whole town and surrounding area went ape shit; how can we ever go out again? We're not letting our grown daughters jog alone ever again!! Grown men talking about sleeping with a gun under the pillow in case they decide to home invade next. So I find it odd if the police truly believe it's a random thing why others aren't at risk and warning them.
Do people think that the husband is exaggerating the extent of her injuries, and the police and hospital can't publicly comment to refute his story because of confidentiality?
Perhaps. And according to the husband when he arrived at the hospital the police "told him to brace himself" because of how bad she looked. And still released in two hours.
With her weight loss I'd assume she was also dehydrated, and that alone means IV fluids. It's honestly just really hard to believe they did all necessary testing, treated her burns, malnutrition, etc. in two hours. And being thrown on the side of the road in chains, she was presumably filthy.
Our local ER can't even muster up the paperwork to admit and discharge someone in two hours.
No shit! Seriously they tell you you're being released and it's still hours of papers. And for the lady who was kidnapped etc it's all no biggie? Can't buy it right now.
And why, if there are two Hispanic women on the loose kidnapping complete strangers why aren't the police warning people to be careful etc? Are they and it's not making news?
A lady was killed while jogging in my state not too long ago and honest to God the whole town and surrounding area went ape shit; how can we ever go out again? We're not letting our grown daughters jog alone ever again!! Grown men talking about sleeping with a gun under the pillow in case they decide to home invade next. So I find it odd if the police truly believe it's a random thing why others aren't at risk and warning them.
This brings up a good issue, too. There has been nothing of the sort around here.
I kind of think the FBI has what they need on them, know they did it and are going to let them piss in the wind for a bit and dig themselves in a little deeper and then swoop in and take down a whole network. God I feel like Mother Jones.
With her weight loss I'd assume she was also dehydrated, and that alone means IV fluids. It's honestly just really hard to believe they did all necessary testing, treated her burns, malnutrition, etc. in two hours. And being thrown on the side of the road in chains, she was presumably filthy.
Our local ER can't even muster up the paperwork to admit and discharge someone in two hours.
No shit! Seriously they tell you you're being released and it's still hours of papers. And for the lady who was kidnapped etc it's all no biggie? Can't buy it right now.
And why, if there are two Hispanic women on the loose kidnapping complete strangers why aren't the police warning people to be careful etc? Are they and it's not making news?
A lady was killed while jogging in my state not too long ago and honest to God the whole town and surrounding area went ape shit; how can we ever go out again? We're not letting our grown daughters jog alone ever again!! Grown men talking about sleeping with a gun under the pillow in case they decide to home invade next. So I find it odd if the police truly believe it's a random thing why others aren't at risk and warning them.
If she wasn't admitted to the hospital, she's not going to need the same sort of paperwork to be released as you would if you just showed up at the ER. I can very easily see her being turfed out of the ER once they made sure that none of her injuries were life threatening. Her burns were scabbed over and would later be dealt with by a plastic surgeon, her nose and ENT (or plastic surgeon).