She didn't get the scholarship for being black. She got the scholarship for her merits, chosen from among black applicants. Why is this so hard to understand for you?
She got the scholarship because she was black. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
She didn't get the scholarship for being black. She got the scholarship for her merits, chosen from among black applicants. Why is this so hard to understand for you?
She got the scholarship because she was black. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
No, she didn’t. If that was the criteria, all of the black applicants would have received it.
She didn't get the scholarship for being black. She got the scholarship for her merits, chosen from among black applicants. Why is this so hard to understand for you?
She got the scholarship because she was black. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
No, she applied for it because she was black. She had to have merits to get it, but you've gone and dismissed those and reduced her to her blackness. Have you addressed yet the many times people have asked you if you object to heritage, athletic, or union scholarships? Or is black the only objectionable one?
AGAIN for the reading comprehension challenged....the scholarship her roommate received was not available to her BECAUSE SHE IS WHITE. I'm not arguing for or against it. OP asked for explanations and I'm recounted what I've experienced.
And there are scholarships out there that are only available for Hispanics, Italians, Koreans, etc. and Muslims, Christians, Baptists, Atheists.
Also add Church of the Nazerene. This was new to me as of two months ago when my friend's kid got scholarship money for being 1) a football player and 2) being a Church of the Nazerene member. Who knew?! I ain't mad because he got most of his tuition covered.
She didn't get the scholarship for being black. She got the scholarship for her merits, chosen from among black applicants. Why is this so hard to understand for you? Â
She got the scholarship because she was black. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
No, she got a scholarship that she qualified for. I’m sure the only qualification wasn’t “is black.” There are many qualifiers on most scholarships.
- Your goddaughter could have made use of a scholarship. - Roommate got a scholarship specifically allotted to a non-white recipient. - Roommate, by your estimation, didn't "need" the scholarship because her dad is an engineer and she spent the money shopping. (more on that below) - You're salty because your goddaughter needed a scholarship and you think a black student squandered money your daughter would have put good use to.
Does that sum it up? What are we missing? And would you be willing to pause a moment to imagine how black godparents, parents, and sundry have felt through the years at seeing their daughters and goddaughters miss out on opportunities not because they didn't deserve them but because only white kids could get them?
Empathy much?
Also, for scholarship experts: is it routine for a college to cut a check directly to a student so they have cash, or does the money not to directly to the school? This lower-to-middle-class white girl never got a scholarship either, so I'm curious.
I said I was done but reading the bolded I just can't. She made use of the best scholarship offered to her, the best scholarships available were not available to her because she is white. PERIOD. She has worked her butt off and has been through some horrific experiences. Empathy much? Oh..no because she's white. White tears and all. got it.
BUNK. SHE MADE USE OF THE BEST SCHOLARSHIP SHE APPLIED FOR that was offered to her. Same as her roommate. There are literally THOUSANDS, if not TENS of thousands of scholarships that people don't apply for. Left-handed? Here's a scholarship for you. Folks work for Company A? Here's a scholarship for You! Feminist? Here ya go? Conservative? Got one for you too! Attend this church! Here's some money. It's the Oprah Winfrey of Scholarships. There may have been a scholarship she DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT (like the one her roommate got that she didn't know about until she got the black roommate who got the "black person scholarship" you're up in arms about) that your god-daughter DIDN'T apply for BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT but could have given her a few thousand more dollars in scholarship money. AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE BLACK TO GET THEM!!!! There are TENS OF THOUSANDS of scholarships. And the BEST of them are NOT reserved for black students or are race based in any sense of the word.
Soooooooo, the roommate's scholarship was the only possible one your goddaughter could've gotten, yet she was out of the running because she's white so that prevented her from getting ANY other scholarships?
The irony is that taken out of context, this sounds like a sound argument for afirmative action and minority scholatships. (excepting the white bit)
What? No. Merit based does not equal skin color.
Pumpkin. You still have to qualify for the scholarship. They don't just pass out scholarships to all the black kids on campus. Each scholarship comes with a specific set of qualifications which is tantamount to merit.
All scholarships don't have a 3.75 gpa as the metric to keep it. There are those that are at 2.5 because - believe it or not - the students ASK for those. On my campus, students right now are asking the administration to include more scholarship opportunities for middle of the road students because they feel that they're often overlooked when it comes to scholarship opportunities. And guess what - the administration is actively working on this.
But, this whole thing about scholarships is eye-opening. Out of curiosity, have you thought - after this entire discussion - why you feel this way? Do you not think anyone else is deserving of the same opportunity? Did you ever think - maybe a 3.75 gpa to maintain a scholarship is too high of a bar? Did you ask the administration to examine how many students lose the scholarship each year over the gpa requirement? Did you ever as how many people apply? Like - you can ask that of the administration. #ijs
I said I was done but reading the bolded I just can't. She made use of the best scholarship offered to her, the best scholarships available were not available to her because she is white. PERIOD. She has worked her butt off and has been through some horrific experiences. Empathy much? Oh..no because she's white. White tears and all. got it.
You should save your anger for her school system and guidance counselors. That's who should have been there to guide her through the college application process, including financial aid. They should have helped her find more scholarship money or grants. Be mad at the school for not preparing her more and helping her understand how to handle money and school. Be mad at the government for not funding schools adequately.
Instead, you're angry at a student who did nothing more than earn a scholarship. This is how the GOP wins elections - they get the poor white people to be afraid of POC and blame them for their problems, instead of the people in power.
No absolutely not trolling. You asked for explanations and I'm just offering up what I have observed. I'm certainly not trying to derail such an important conversation. As far as an anecdote, I could offer several but one sticks out in my mind the most. My (white) goddaughter came from absolute poverty, she was the first in her family to go to college. She was on a partial scholarship that she had to maintain a 3.75 to keep. Her black roommate (who she adores- they are still friends) had a full ride that she only had to maintain a 2.5 to keep (specific minority scholarship- white people not eligible.) My goddaughter had to photocopy classmates textbooks because she could not afford her own. The $ she made from her job at a sub shop went to pay for her housing. She is still paying off student loans. Her black friend/roommate got her scholarship check and went shopping because her engineer father had already paid for her books. I'm not defending either position- I was just offering perspective as to why.
So - you're mad at whom? The black student because University set the guidelines for maintaining the scholarship? Are you also assuming that said black student only did the bare minimum to maintain said scholarship?
Also in this - are you also mad that the black student had a well to do father? Because the layers to this discussion of privilege here are worth further discussion.
Also, as someone who works in higher ed and JUST finished a scholarship cycle - donors set the requirements for scholarships along with the University standards - which could be dictated also by a governing board. My unit has several scholarships for "underrepresented" student populations as well as students who have financial needs. In creating those scholarships, donors in particular seek to be a benefit to kids who were just like them in many aspects. Be that background, race, class, etc. Now, these cannot be discriminatory, but often the donor sees it as a way to help a student because he or she could not have gotten a degree without assistance. Or better yet - they had parents who never completed school because of family obligations.
Just throwing that in here because - this thread sounds like you have a lot of animosity for someone like myself who went to college on a scholarship for minority students. Like, was I not supposed to have that opportunity?
No- absolutely no animosity to you or my goddaughter's friend. I do admittedly have animosity to idiots who think too highly of themselves and overestimate their intelligence and experience. I offered an explanation to your question that was unpopular on this board and the insults, accusations, completely made up rhetoric, and outright lies started swinging. Typical liberals, I should not have engaged. I'm really going to try an not read anymore responses. I'm really pissed and the more I read of this nonsense it just gets worse. I don't know you but you seem honest, intelligent, and straight forward - you have probably already realized that you won't get an answer of substance from this airhead, white liberal think tank. I'm sorry if I derailed your thread but hopefully I added some insight. Best wishes OP.
And there are scholarships out there that are only available for Hispanics, Italians, Koreans, etc. and Muslims, Christians, Baptists, Atheists.
Also add Church of the Nazerene. This was new to me as of two months ago when my friend's kid got scholarship money for being 1) a football player and 2) being a Church of the Nazerene member. Who knew?! I ain't mad because he got most of his tuition covered.
Shit, in looking for scholarships for my husband we found one for the American Association for Men in Nursing. Because guess what, males are not a majority of nurses.
There are also scholarships available for women who are taller than 5'10.
There are a bazillion scholarships around that have very specific criterion. That this roommate received a scholarship with a requirement that the recipient be black is just one of a million out there with specific criterion. Fava needs to get over herself.
Pumpkin. You still have to qualify for the scholarship. They don't just pass out scholarships to all the black kids on campus. Each scholarship comes with a specific set of qualifications which is tantamount to merit.
All scholarships don't have a 3.75 gpa as the metric to keep it. There are those that are at 2.5 because - believe it or not - the students ASK for those. On my campus, students right now are asking the administration to include more scholarship opportunities for middle of the road students because they feel that they're often overlooked when it comes to scholarship opportunities. And guess what - the administration is actively working on this.
But, this whole thing about scholarships is eye-opening. Out of curiosity, have you thought - after this entire discussion - why you feel this way? Do you not think anyone else is deserving of the same opportunity? Did you ever think - maybe a 3.75 gpa to maintain a scholarship is too high of a bar? Did you ask the administration to examine how many students lose the scholarship each year over the gpa requirement? Did you ever as how many people apply? Like - you can ask that of the administration. #ijs
I mean, how are we supposed to have the far more nuanced and compelling discussion of something like reparations, when we can't even get past "black kids get scholarships for them just like Greek, Polish, and military kids!!!!"
- Your goddaughter could have made use of a scholarship. - Roommate got a scholarship specifically allotted to a non-white recipient. - Roommate, by your estimation, didn't "need" the scholarship because her dad is an engineer and she spent the money shopping. (more on that below) - You're salty because your goddaughter needed a scholarship and you think a black student squandered money your daughter would have put good use to.
Does that sum it up? What are we missing? And would you be willing to pause a moment to imagine how black godparents, parents, and sundry have felt through the years at seeing their daughters and goddaughters miss out on opportunities not because they didn't deserve them but because only white kids could get them?
Empathy much?
Also, for scholarship experts: is it routine for a college to cut a check directly to a student so they have cash, or does the money not to directly to the school? This lower-to-middle-class white girl never got a scholarship either, so I'm curious.
I said I was done but reading the bolded I just can't. She made use of the best scholarship offered to her, the best scholarships available were not available to her because she is white. PERIOD. She has worked her butt off and has been through some horrific experiences. Empathy much? Oh..no because she's white. White tears and all. got it.
I think this is such a derail to the conversation. It actually makes me mad. But if she was that hot, and she needed money, she sounds like a great candidate for a military academy. Which is probably the best scholarship deal in the country. Free school, job security, hell you even get to travel to exotic locations and meet new people! It's open to all Americans. So, no. I don't believe you, I think you are speaking in generalities.
So - you're mad at whom? The black student because University set the guidelines for maintaining the scholarship? Are you also assuming that said black student only did the bare minimum to maintain said scholarship?
Also in this - are you also mad that the black student had a well to do father? Because the layers to this discussion of privilege here are worth further discussion.
Also, as someone who works in higher ed and JUST finished a scholarship cycle - donors set the requirements for scholarships along with the University standards - which could be dictated also by a governing board. My unit has several scholarships for "underrepresented" student populations as well as students who have financial needs. In creating those scholarships, donors in particular seek to be a benefit to kids who were just like them in many aspects. Be that background, race, class, etc. Now, these cannot be discriminatory, but often the donor sees it as a way to help a student because he or she could not have gotten a degree without assistance. Or better yet - they had parents who never completed school because of family obligations.
Just throwing that in here because - this thread sounds like you have a lot of animosity for someone like myself who went to college on a scholarship for minority students. Like, was I not supposed to have that opportunity?
No- absolutely no animosity to you or my goddaughter's friend. I do admittedly have animosity to idiots who think too highly of themselves and overestimate their intelligence and experience. I offered an explanation to your question that was unpopular on this board and the insults, accusations, completely made up rhetoric, and outright lies started swinging. Typical liberals, I should not have engaged. I'm really going to try an not read anymore responses. I'm really pissed and the more I read of this nonsense it just gets worse. I don't know you but you seem honest, intelligent, and straight forward - you have probably already realized that you won't get an answer of substance from this airhead, white liberal think tank. I'm sorry if I derailed your thread but hopefully I added some insight. Best wishes OP.
White liberal think tank. Who had this phrase on their bingo square?
And all this from hearsay because she got the details from her goddaughter that of course doesn’t have a vested interest in making herself look good. So yes. This is the epitome of white woman tears. Stripping the accomplishments of a black woman to make the poor pitiful white girl look better.
So - you're mad at whom? The black student because University set the guidelines for maintaining the scholarship? Are you also assuming that said black student only did the bare minimum to maintain said scholarship?
Also in this - are you also mad that the black student had a well to do father? Because the layers to this discussion of privilege here are worth further discussion.
Also, as someone who works in higher ed and JUST finished a scholarship cycle - donors set the requirements for scholarships along with the University standards - which could be dictated also by a governing board. My unit has several scholarships for "underrepresented" student populations as well as students who have financial needs. In creating those scholarships, donors in particular seek to be a benefit to kids who were just like them in many aspects. Be that background, race, class, etc. Now, these cannot be discriminatory, but often the donor sees it as a way to help a student because he or she could not have gotten a degree without assistance. Or better yet - they had parents who never completed school because of family obligations.
Just throwing that in here because - this thread sounds like you have a lot of animosity for someone like myself who went to college on a scholarship for minority students. Like, was I not supposed to have that opportunity?
No- absolutely no animosity to you or my goddaughter's friend. I do admittedly have animosity to idiots who think too highly of themselves and overestimate their intelligence and experience. I offered an explanation to your question that was unpopular on this board and the insults, accusations, completely made up rhetoric, and outright lies started swinging. Typical liberals, I should not have engaged. I'm really going to try an not read anymore responses. I'm really pissed and the more I read of this nonsense it just gets worse. I don't know you but you seem honest, intelligent, and straight forward - you have probably already realized that you won't get an answer of substance from this airhead, white liberal think tank. I'm sorry if I derailed your thread but hopefully I added some insight. Best wishes OP.
No, actually, I got a lot of honest response from people including you. What you're doing and maybe even rightfully so, is feeling attacked and defensive - but you gotta accept some culpability because you jumped in feet first without saying "I'm new, I want to join this bare with me as I explain."
Several posters have commented that your posts - did actually do what I asked. What's happening now - if you don't take your ball and go home - is that people are asking you to peel back what you've said here and are asking the hardest question of all - what is it about this black student getting a different scholarship that has you so upset?
Here's what I can imply just based on the scholarship itself - it was given with really stringent standards attached. This does not mean it is inherently better or worse.Same thing for the other scholarship - it was neither better nor worse. It just came with different standards. There are a TON of scholarship opportunities available to students. All of which are designed for different student populations - we have scholarships for 1st generation college students (my kids wouldn't be eligible for this), alumni legacy scholarships, adult students, students local to the region, social change advocates, etc.
And I know this is not unique to my university. So, these opportunities are out there. You have to go look for them, not begrudge those who find them.
What exactly do you want to hear? That this young woman shouldn't have applied for, or accepted, a scholarship for which she was wholly qualified, because (according to you) she wasn't in dire need of it?
How many scholarships did your goddaughter apply for, exactly? If it was only the one she received, why didn't she apply for more? If it was several and she only received the one, then what did she do to improve her own qualifications to possibly receive more, because clearly she didn't meet the criteria if she was rejected from several.
And all this from hearsay because she got the details from her goddaughter that of course doesn’t have a vested interest in making herself look good. So yes. This is the epitome of white woman tears. Stripping the accomplishments of a black woman to make the poor pitiful white girl look better.
And of course, the black girl uses her ill-gotten gains for spoiled shopping. And I bet fava thinks her rich dad that was paying the bills for college also had a special scholarship that was unfair.
I said I was done but reading the bolded I just can't. She made use of the best scholarship offered to her, the best scholarships available were not available to her because she is white. PERIOD. She has worked her butt off and has been through some horrific experiences. Empathy much? Oh..no because she's white. White tears and all. got it.
BUNK. SHE MADE USE OF THE BEST SCHOLARSHIP SHE APPLIED FOR that was offered to her. Same as her roommate. There are literally THOUSANDS, if not TENS of thousands of scholarships that people don't apply for. Left-handed? Here's a scholarship for you. Folks work for Company A? Here's a scholarship for You! Feminist? Here ya go? Conservative? Got one for you too! Attend this church! Here's some money. It's the Oprah Winfrey of Scholarships. There may have been a scholarship she DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT (like the one her roommate got that she didn't know about until she got the black roommate who got the "black person scholarship" you're up in arms about) that your god-daughter DIDN'T apply for BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT but could have given her a few thousand more dollars in scholarship money. AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE BLACK TO GET THEM!!!! There are TENS OF THOUSANDS of scholarships. And the BEST of them are NOT reserved for black students or are race based in any sense of the word.
Yeah. Seriously, this. Some obscene amount of scholarship money goes unawarded each year because no one even applies. I got a scholarship for being Italian American. It paid for my books. My parents could have afforded the extra money for books. Was I the most qualified kid on campus? Hell no. I'm 100% I wasn't the most qualified Italian American. But I found the scholarship, and applied for it, and not many other people did, because it was some random tiny organization giving it out, and I got it. That's how scholarships WORK. They have all kinds of parameters, sometimes they are race or ethnicity based, many times, not. Some of them are downright weird. (Did your paternal grandfather work for The Bronx Zoo between 1946 and 1948? Apply here!) They aren't even all merit-based. But people giving away money are allowed to decide who they want to give it to - bottom line.
- Your goddaughter could have made use of a scholarship. - Roommate got a scholarship specifically allotted to a non-white recipient. - Roommate, by your estimation, didn't "need" the scholarship because her dad is an engineer and she spent the money shopping. (more on that below) - You're salty because your goddaughter needed a scholarship and you think a black student squandered money your daughter would have put good use to.
Does that sum it up? What are we missing? And would you be willing to pause a moment to imagine how black godparents, parents, and sundry have felt through the years at seeing their daughters and goddaughters miss out on opportunities not because they didn't deserve them but because only white kids could get them?
Empathy much?
Also, for scholarship experts: is it routine for a college to cut a check directly to a student so they have cash, or does the money not to directly to the school? This lower-to-middle-class white girl never got a scholarship either, so I'm curious.
It depends. I recently had two students receive pretty handsome checks for a scholarship that were cut personally to them. And for purposes of this thread, the students were white YWIA! (sorry, my petty couldn't be stopped). The funds came from a local org who have a University fund but also give separate scholarships to our university students in a few different colleges. So, yes. This does happen.
Now, next year I don't know if we're going to keep it separate from the university fund because we can't account for how they spend the money. But, in the same breath, those two students needed that money. One had car issues and that money would be used to help her get back and forth to work (which you NEED a car in the M to work) and the other was going to teach abroad so that money would be her spending money for her year abroad. So, I'm kinda of the mindset, they will probably spend this wisely and let 'dem babies live.
Also, how would the roommate turning down her scholarship - or spending it on books/tuition only - or donating it to an orphanage or something - have affected your goddaughter’s situation in any possible way?
Several posters have commented that your posts - did actually do what I asked. What's happening now - if you don't take your ball and go home - is that people are asking you to peel back what you've said here and are asking the hardest question of all - what is it about this black student getting a different scholarship that has you so upset?
feva2030 I frankly hope you don't haul up and leave. Or keep dropping that this is all liberal speak - again, I'm not a liberal, I don't vote liberal. In fact, I come from conservative bootstraps roots and have fought with people on this board through (good LORD, y'all) over a decade.
And NitaX gets right to the crux of what the point of this thread is: even if we're mad or challenged - or maybe especially because we are - that's the very best time to pause, breathe, and ask why we're so mad and challenged.
I guarantee you it isn't because of liberal vs. conservative. That's too simplistic for the discussion taking place here. I invite you to dig deeper. I've been kept up at night sometimes because of discussions on here, but good Lord if that isn't the very best thing for me to really suss out my beliefs and what leads to them.
Nah, if it were JulieF, there would be follow up posts to correct typos and grammatical errors with comments about how she doesn't know how to edit a post.
Plus this person has way too many typos and grammatical errors.