TW @: Uvalde School Shooting 5/24/22

[suburbanzookeeper]

Jun 23, 2022 3:11:37 GMT -5 dancelnow said:

Jun 22, 2022 22:02:05 GMT -5 @rebeccawelton said:

Arredondo has been placed on administrative leave.

Um your truth is your truth asshole. You shouldn’t need transcripts to remind you of the things you’ve said happened.

While I’m sure he’s lying about a lot, there is science substantiating what you hear impacting your memory.

The way I was trained and my husband as well (which is also federal standard for emergency services since 2004/5) is that debriefing/hotwashing is supposed to happen 3-7 days following among all agencies involved and it's supposed to be heavily documented. In additional Incident Command training, we're taught to make notes as soon as we walk-off scene, to keep a notebook going, etc. It's absolutely VITAL because things do get lost over time, nightmares become real, other people on scene can impact *your* memory of what happened and why decisions were made. 

The FEMA & federal incident command system is essentially a requirement across the board for all emergency services volunteer and paid so that these types of incidents don't happen, that there's a clear line of authority, that the chain of command is clear, and that information is going up/down/left/right effectively, etc. I have 70+-year-olds on my team and 16-year-olds on my team who've taken this same training and understand how this works and it isn't their career... there's no excuse. 

[pixy0stix]

Jun 23, 2022 14:27:41 GMT -5 suburbanzookeeper said:

Jun 23, 2022 3:11:37 GMT -5 dancelnow said:

While I’m sure he’s lying about a lot, there is science substantiating what you hear impacting your memory.

The way I was trained and my husband as well (which is also federal standard for emergency services since 2004/5) is that debriefing/hotwashing is supposed to happen 3-7 days following among all agencies involved and it's supposed to be heavily documented. In additional Incident Command training, we're taught to make notes as soon as we walk-off scene, to keep a notebook going, etc. It's absolutely VITAL because things do get lost over time, nightmares become real, other people on scene can impact *your* memory of what happened and why decisions were made. 

The FEMA & federal incident command system is essentially a requirement across the board for all emergency services volunteer and paid so that these types of incidents don't happen, that there's a clear line of authority, that the chain of command is clear, and that information is going up/down/left/right effectively, etc. I have 70+-year-olds on my team and 16-year-olds on my team who've taken this same training and understand how this works and it isn't their career... there's no excuse. 

When I worked for the City government, all employees were required to take the courses so that we all knew the FEMA/federal incident command structure should there be a catastrophe. Like the Uvalde cops, most people blew it off didn't think it applied to them.

[NewOrleans]

omfg.

why? So they can use it to stand around outside? They HAD the shields and didn’t go in. They didn’t even try to open the door and you’re going to give them equipment?  

🗣“mental health mental health mental health SHIELDS!!!”


Texas leaders announced Tuesday that they have agreed to dedicate more than $100 million in state funds to boost school safety and mental health services following the Uvalde massacre.

Nearly half the money — $50 million — is going toward bullet-resistant shields for school police officers, a priority of Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick. The second-largest expenditure — $17.1 million — is for school districts to buy silent panic alert technology, which allows them to alert law enforcement during emergencies.

www.khou.com/article/news/special-reports/uvalde-school-shooting/texas-spending-millions-after-uvalde-massacre/285-087e1b9c-4a1c-4f77-a662-fa0f500b0c0a

[TamiTaylor]

I’m not a financial person or a security person but I really don’t see how $17.1 million will actually cover any of the security costs for upgrading every school in the state to this silent alarm. Not to mention based on @ajl’s prior post the silent alarms are not really a good form of alerting teachers and students to a lockdown active shooter situation.

[TamiTaylor]

Also I’m so pissed to learn there is at least $100+ million in surplus while TEA has passed down so many unfunded mandates, did not deliver on their promise of COVID safety supplies (I only received travel size hand sanitizer from TEA which happened to smell of tequila.)

[notsopicky]

Jul 5, 2022 19:18:26 GMT -5 TamiTaylor said:

I’m not a financial person or a security person but I really don’t see how $17.1 million will actually cover any of the security costs for upgrading every school in the state to this silent alarm. Not to mention based on @ajl’s prior post the silent alarms are not really a good form of alerting teachers and students to a lockdown active shooter situation.

Newsflash: it won't. 

(That's not directed at you, it's to these idiot politicians.)

[wawa]

Jul 5, 2022 19:18:26 GMT -5 TamiTaylor said:

I’m not a financial person or a security person but I really don’t see how $17.1 million will actually cover any of the security costs for upgrading every school in the state to this silent alarm. Not to mention based on @ajl’s prior post the silent alarms are not really a good form of alerting teachers and students to a lockdown active shooter situation.

Maybe every school in rhode island....

[jordancatalano4ever]

Jul 5, 2022 18:08:31 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

omfg.

why? So they can use it to stand around outside? They HAD the shields and didn’t go in. They didn’t even try to open the door and you’re going to give them equipment?  

🗣“mental health mental health mental health SHIELDS!!!”


Texas leaders announced Tuesday that they have agreed to dedicate more than $100 million in state funds to boost school safety and mental health services following the Uvalde massacre.

Nearly half the money — $50 million — is going toward bullet-resistant shields for school police officers, a priority of Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick. The second-largest expenditure — $17.1 million — is for school districts to buy silent panic alert technology, which allows them to alert law enforcement during emergencies.

www.khou.com/article/news/special-reports/uvalde-school-shooting/texas-spending-millions-after-uvalde-massacre/285-087e1b9c-4a1c-4f77-a662-fa0f500b0c0a

Meanwhile my middle school campus will continue to have an open front door every day because we don’t have the funding to have a buzzer door installed. I really HATE republican leadership. They are fucking USELESS!

[Pom]

www.npr.org/2022/07/06/1110142336/uvalde-school-shooting-report

“AUSTIN, Texas — A police officer armed with a rifle watched the gunman in the Uvalde elementary school massacre walk toward the campus but did not fire while waiting for permission from a supervisor to shoot, according to a sweeping critique released Wednesday on the tactical response to the May tragedy.“

What in the actual…

[ellipses84]

Jul 6, 2022 19:10:42 GMT -5 Pom said:

www.npr.org/2022/07/06/1110142336/uvalde-school-shooting-report

“AUSTIN, Texas — A police officer armed with a rifle watched the gunman in the Uvalde elementary school massacre walk toward the campus but did not fire while waiting for permission from a supervisor to shoot, according to a sweeping critique released Wednesday on the tactical response to the May tragedy.“

What in the actual…

And that is also a terrible issue of open carry laws or allowing people to have guns at schools. How can you prove if someone walking with an assault rifle is a “good guy” or “bad guy” unless you wait to see if they murder someone? If our police forces weren’t morally bankrupt, more would be advocating for sensible gun control to make their own jobs safer and easier.

[basilosaurus]

Jul 6, 2022 22:44:22 GMT -5 ellipses84 said:

Jul 6, 2022 19:10:42 GMT -5 Pom said:

www.npr.org/2022/07/06/1110142336/uvalde-school-shooting-report

“AUSTIN, Texas — A police officer armed with a rifle watched the gunman in the Uvalde elementary school massacre walk toward the campus but did not fire while waiting for permission from a supervisor to shoot, according to a sweeping critique released Wednesday on the tactical response to the May tragedy.“

What in the actual…

And that is also a terrible issue of open carry laws or allowing people to have guns at schools. How can you prove if someone walking with an assault rifle is a “good guy” or “bad guy” unless you wait to see if they murder someone? If our police forces weren’t morally bankrupt, more would be advocating for sensible gun control to make their own jobs safer and easier.

I know TX is crazy permissive, but they don't even have gun free zones on and around school campuses? At the very least, question the guy for a couple minutes.

[bernsteincat]

Jul 6, 2022 19:10:42 GMT -5 Pom said:

www.npr.org/2022/07/06/1110142336/uvalde-school-shooting-report

“AUSTIN, Texas — A police officer armed with a rifle watched the gunman in the Uvalde elementary school massacre walk toward the campus but did not fire while waiting for permission from a supervisor to shoot, according to a sweeping critique released Wednesday on the tactical response to the May tragedy.“

What in the actual…

THIS WAS ONE PART THAT CONFUSED ME SO MUCH. With the length of time between the car crash and actually getting in the school, I KNEW someone had to see that MFer yet do nothing.

[Bad Dingo]

I thought I'd read that there were kids playing outside and the officer was afraid that they'd hit them. I feel for the officers honestly, they shouldn't have to deal with malignant males with weapons of war (and should vote accordingly and not allow their unions to be racist, ignorant cesspools). I'm not excusing all of the the horrible decisions they made.

[ellipses84]

Jul 7, 2022 0:17:18 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

Jul 6, 2022 22:44:22 GMT -5 ellipses84 said:

And that is also a terrible issue of open carry laws or allowing people to have guns at schools. How can you prove if someone walking with an assault rifle is a “good guy” or “bad guy” unless you wait to see if they murder someone? If our police forces weren’t morally bankrupt, more would be advocating for sensible gun control to make their own jobs safer and easier.

I know TX is crazy permissive, but they don't even have gun free zones on and around school campuses? At the very least, question the guy for a couple minutes.

There’s a Federal law for schools but there’s an exception for licensed carriers which references state laws. School districts can have their own policies, but 2A nuts can try to take any org. to court for infringing on their rights. I just meant in general, open carry is problematic. I agree the officer should have tried to stop and question the murderer.

I know the TX gun laws are even more lax than when I lived there a few years ago. Back then if a business made more than half of their sales on alcohol you could not bring guns inside, and since sales fluctuate even places like bakeries in Houston that sold wine would put up a sign saying guns weren’t allowed. You weren’t supposed to have a gun in public if you were drinking/ drunk. When I worked in a skyscraper office building there was some ridiculously long text signage that was supposed to go up if you didn’t want people open carrying on your premises, but landlords didn’t want to enforce it in fear of pissing off tenants, so they left it up to each tenant to decide, except tenants had nowhere to put the huge sign, so they could hand out a little business card with the text on it to every guest who came in. It was stupid.

[neverfstop]

Trigger warning- this is a tough read
www.nytimes.com/2022/07/10/us/uvalde-injured-teacher-reyes.html

Inside a Uvalde Classroom: A Taunting Gunman and 78 Minutes of Terror
A teacher who survived the mass shooting recounts the harrowing attack and desperate wait for a rescue.

[NewOrleans]

Jul 10, 2022 13:15:25 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

Trigger warning- this is a tough read
www.nytimes.com/2022/07/10/us/uvalde-injured-teacher-reyes.html

Inside a Uvalde Classroom: A Taunting Gunman and 78 Minutes of Terror
A teacher who survived the mass shooting recounts the harrowing attack and desperate wait for a rescue.

I can’t read it due to paywall. My library doesn’t subscribe to the NYT (wth?). Can you “gift” it or no?

[Bad Dingo]

Jul 10, 2022 20:09:44 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

Jul 10, 2022 13:15:25 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

Trigger warning- this is a tough read
www.nytimes.com/2022/07/10/us/uvalde-injured-teacher-reyes.html

Inside a Uvalde Classroom: A Taunting Gunman and 78 Minutes of Terror
A teacher who survived the mass shooting recounts the harrowing attack and desperate wait for a rescue.

I can’t read it due to paywall. My library doesn’t subscribe to the NYT (wth?). Can you “gift” it or no?

Gifted link: Inside a Uvalde Classroom: A Taunting Gunman and 78 Minutes of Terror www.nytimes.com/2022/07/10/us/uvalde-injured-teacher-reyes.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuonUktbfqYhkT1UaAybIRp86sBSCifWKwbo-m2XzIG2JRD9Jz-kPRpKN6krWI6p_Yt95lxKqeOh8Cp59Dvpj0r0YeEV3VwijppbDwM5YfHg599j2BTln0deQVO5mtDW2MDT8crcgmOfh4EnZbjLsS7WfhSN6XHttoZNvc1ih3nQP1_2FRrYzgo8iqK9nUpNqRj4AZz2Iue3rC3h8O9aAahLe6WomSr0TGGGTzZPHteV2IEgFAknGTXh__W859NhbXdoXN6v4JBchE9HswCAFAqD8mtsL_eVCoGsuvg

[NewOrleans]

Jul 10, 2022 21:45:33 GMT -5 Bad Dingo said:

Jul 10, 2022 20:09:44 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

I can’t read it due to paywall. My library doesn’t subscribe to the NYT (wth?). Can you “gift” it or no?

Gifted link: Inside a Uvalde Classroom: A Taunting Gunman and 78 Minutes of Terror www.nytimes.com/2022/07/10/us/uvalde-injured-teacher-reyes.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuonUktbfqYhkT1UaAybIRp86sBSCifWKwbo-m2XzIG2JRD9Jz-kPRpKN6krWI6p_Yt95lxKqeOh8Cp59Dvpj0r0YeEV3VwijppbDwM5YfHg599j2BTln0deQVO5mtDW2MDT8crcgmOfh4EnZbjLsS7WfhSN6XHttoZNvc1ih3nQP1_2FRrYzgo8iqK9nUpNqRj4AZz2Iue3rC3h8O9aAahLe6WomSr0TGGGTzZPHteV2IEgFAknGTXh__W859NhbXdoXN6v4JBchE9HswCAFAqD8mtsL_eVCoGsuvg

Thank you.

I have read it. I have no words. 

[MixedBerryJam]

Jul 6, 2022 22:44:22 GMT -5 ellipses84 said:

Jul 6, 2022 19:10:42 GMT -5 Pom said:

www.npr.org/2022/07/06/1110142336/uvalde-school-shooting-report

“

And that is also a terrible issue of open carry laws or allowing people to have guns at schools. How can you prove if someone walking with an assault rifle is a “good guy” or “bad guy” unless you wait to see if they murder someone? If our police forces weren’t morally bankrupt, more would be advocating for sensible gun control to make their own jobs safer and easier.

I’m late to the game here but this has been my latest rumination. At a school, in a Home Depot parking lot, heck even at a gun range. If open carry is the law of the land, and abbot has made this His Thing, how in the world can you prevent another Uvalde/Buffalo/HP/etc in the first place? I don’t blame the officer for not shooting. Can we just start randomly shooting people with guns that are walking into schools and grocery stores? Sorry (not sorry) but open carry laws are bs all around, endangering every last one of us. (I’m not in Tx.)

[Deleted]

Jul 11, 2022 7:57:42 GMT -5 MixedBerryJam said:

Jul 6, 2022 22:44:22 GMT -5 ellipses84 said:

And that is also a terrible issue of open carry laws or allowing people to have guns at schools. How can you prove if someone walking with an assault rifle is a “good guy” or “bad guy” unless you wait to see if they murder someone? If our police forces weren’t morally bankrupt, more would be advocating for sensible gun control to make their own jobs safer and easier.

I’m late to the game here but this has been my latest rumination. At a school, in a Home Depot parking lot, heck even at a gun range. If open carry is the law of the land, and abbot has made this His Thing, how in the world can you prevent another Uvalde/Buffalo/HP/etc in the first place? I don’t blame the officer for not shooting. Can we just start randomly shooting people with guns that are walking into schools and grocery stores? Sorry (not sorry) but open carry laws are bs all around, endangering every last one of us. (I’m not in Tx.)

Several years ago there was a shooting in CO Springs, where the shooter was walking down the street with an assault rifle. Before he started shooting, people called 911 to report the individual, and were told there was nothing the police could do because it was an open-carry state. He went on to kill like 4 people.

[MixedBerryJam]

Jul 11, 2022 8:12:57 GMT -5 @villainv said:

Jul 11, 2022 7:57:42 GMT -5 MixedBerryJam said:

I’m late to the game here but this has been my latest rumination. At a school, in a Home Depot parking lot, heck even at a gun range. If open carry is the law of the land, and abbot has made this His Thing, how in the world can you prevent another Uvalde/Buffalo/HP/etc in the first place? I don’t blame the officer for not shooting. Can we just start randomly shooting people with guns that are walking into schools and grocery stores? Sorry (not sorry) but open carry laws are bs all around, endangering every last one of us. (I’m not in Tx.)

Several years ago there was a shooting in CO Springs, where the shooter was walking down the street with an assault rifle. Before he started shooting, people called 911 to report the individual, and were told there was nothing the police could do because it was an open-carry state. He went on to kill like 4 people.

(liked in agreement and acknowledgement, not for actual liking)

[atexan]

Jul 10, 2022 13:15:25 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

Trigger warning- this is a tough read
www.nytimes.com/2022/07/10/us/uvalde-injured-teacher-reyes.html

Inside a Uvalde Classroom: A Taunting Gunman and 78 Minutes of Terror
A teacher who survived the mass shooting recounts the harrowing attack and desperate wait for a rescue.

This took my breath away.  Jesus.

[suburbanzookeeper]

HUGE TW: www.cnn.com/2022/07/12/us/uvalde-school-shooting-video/index.html (sharing because this is probably one of the most sanitized versions and it shows that early reports about LEO involvement was as we know now, total bullshit)

Portions of the security footage (and audio) have been released from the car crash and him entering into the school. I'm sharing CNN's link because they've edited out the children(s) sounds and the gun fire. This is maddening watching officers use hand sanitizer in the hallway while waiting. The video is primarily of LEO in the hallway and their actions as they waited. They had shields early.  

My daughter's middle school is - starting today through Thursday - hosting 12 hour a day active shooter training with multiple agencies on scene, including actors.

[Velar Fricative]

This footage is so enraging. Everyone in that school and their loved ones was failed so badly.

[lea]

God. At least the unarmed parents would have fucking tried to stop the guy. I cannot imagine how those parents feel seeing this footage.

[erbear]

Jul 10, 2022 13:15:25 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

Trigger warning- this is a tough read
www.nytimes.com/2022/07/10/us/uvalde-injured-teacher-reyes.html

Inside a Uvalde Classroom: A Taunting Gunman and 78 Minutes of Terror
A teacher who survived the mass shooting recounts the harrowing attack and desperate wait for a rescue.

This is awful. As a teacher (and a parent, and a human), I am broken at the thought of being in that situation and knowing there was nothing I could do to protect myself and my kids. I cannot believe he survived, frankly, and cannot imagine the horror he feels about that. Poor man

[NewOrleans]

What useless bastards. That guy *sanitized his hands.* Look at them run away. All those good guys with guns.

[erbear]

Jul 12, 2022 19:18:19 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

What useless bastards. That guy *sanitized his hands.* Look at them run away. All those good guys with guns.

I can’t get past this without feeling a huge rage. I haven’t watched the video (can’t do it) but THEY RAN AWAY. WITH THEIR GUNS. WHILE THOSE BABIES DIED. Unforgivable.

[sent]

Have they stopped shouting that the solution is to arm the teachers? Because this certainly puts that "solution" in the garbage. There's no way an armed teacher would have made all the difference here, what with all those good guys with guns roaming the hallway.

[erbear]

Jul 13, 2022 20:20:47 GMT -5 sent said:

Have they stopped shouting that the solution is to arm the teachers? Because this certainly puts that "solution" in the garbage. There's no way an armed teacher would have made all the difference here, what with all those good guys with guns roaming the hallway.

Nope. The calls are actually getting louder. Makes it easier to blame teachers when the next mass school shooting happens :/