I feel like we are living in an alternate reality. I couldn’t imagine this even happening in my teens or 20’s and I felt like we had progressed so much as a society since then. I’d ask how this could happen, but I know. The states are sure as hell going to be more divided when red states enact all the oppressive laws and the Supreme Court provides no checks and balances at a national level.
I don’t want people to give up though. We have to win the senate and house in November. Then we could actually get laws approved that would protect rights on a national level, including voter rights. If we don’t do that, the gerrymandered R pipeline and senate inaction is going to continue.
Ok douche, go ahead and call it mud. My husband DID have halitosis. We addressed it after I talked to you girls on here and guess what? Years later, no problem. Mofongo, you're a cunt. Eat shit. ~anonnamus
I can't. What are they going to come for next? Why are religious extremists allowed to make these decisions? This is not a theocracy. The majority of people support choice. What the actual FUCK.
Per Thomas's concurrence, gay marriage, contraception, and sodomy.
There are no words to describe how I feel right now. Even with the leak I didn’t accept that it was going to happen. Where do we go from here? How do we fight? How is it that we are moving so far backward as a country? I can’t stop crying right now?
I never had a single fuck to give about threats against Kavanaugh. I think it's the fucking height of BULLSHIT that the SC built a fence around it. They are killing women. They are ruining lives. They are destroying families.
I care as much about their safety as they care about mine. Fuck those 6.
I’d also like to give a special honorable mention fuck you shoutout to our little friend Roberts for his absurd little concurring opinion that leaves him just enough plausible deniability that I truly think he feels his hands are clean. Fuck your legacy, dude.
"If you had given me a chance I would have voted with the minority, I promise!!! But I just had no choice." Seriously, it's rage-inducing.
Post by gretchenindisguise on Jun 24, 2022 10:06:03 GMT -5
personal @@ Even though I knew it was coming, I'm still crying. I'm just so sad for my 12 year old non-binary lesbian child who just started their period last month. I was so hopeful when they were younger and I've just watched it all be stripped away. Fuck.
Post by biscoffcookies on Jun 24, 2022 10:07:08 GMT -5
I thought I went through the stages of grief after the draft was leaked. Turns out, nope. I am sobbing again. Partly out of rage, partly out of fear, partly out of grief -- for my daughter, for me, for women.
Alito's opinion treats us all like we are stupid and tells us that this opinion doesn't undermine the viability of Griswold (contraception), Lawrence (no banning sodomy) or Obergefell because those decisions don't involve the "critical moral question" of abortion and thus are "inopposite." First -- morality isn't supposed to play a role under the "conservative" jurisprudential reasoning because morality questions are part of making policy, and courts aren't supposed to do that, so you are talking out both sides of your mouth. Second -- we all know you are full of shit, and at least Thomas was clear about it.
On one hand this doesn't seem sustainable. It doesn't seem sustainable to have an extremist minority control all these questions via SCOTUS, and their gerrymandered supermajorities in state legislatures, and their gerrymandered House seats, and the Senate and Electoral College built in advantage. On the other hand, what is the option? Those things I just mentioned mean that change through regular orderly political means is impossible. So either it says this way and keeps getting worse or...what?
gretchenindisguise I remember how hopeful and excited for the future I was when I heard the opinion the day they struck down gay marriage bans and today feels like another lifetime from that day.
Post by formerlyak on Jun 24, 2022 10:10:22 GMT -5
My teen came downstairs when the decision came out. He could see that I was shaking. He knows reproductive rights are very important. He knows his mom was the one who first wrote a pro choice argument for my high school, now his high school’s school paper. He knows our family left the Catholic Church when I was kicked out of youth group for refusing to attend a pro life rally at 16. He just said, “Sorry.” Then the map came on tv with the states that have trigger laws or will likely put anti-abortion laws into place now. I told him he’s not allowed to apply for college on any of those states. He agreed.
I see his classmates making college decisions based on state politics. They organize rallies and protests. The biggest pro choice rally we had locally was organized by high schoolers. I’m trying to have hope that they will make better choices than the current ones. We need to vote and support and put our money where it’s needed, but we can’t overlook continuing to encourage 16-18 year olds to get involved and being politically active. They all get to vote in 2024.
Post by seeyalater52 on Jun 24, 2022 10:11:01 GMT -5
wanderingback thinking of you and your colleagues in particular today. Thank you for the work you do, I know this must be an incredibly difficult thing to watch happen.
On one hand this doesn't seem sustainable. It doesn't seem sustainable to have an extremist minority control all these questions via SCOTUS, and their gerrymandered supermajorities in state legislatures, and their gerrymandered House seats, and the Senate and Electoral College built in advantage. On the other hand, what is the option? Those things I just mentioned mean that change through regular orderly political means is impossible. So either it says this way and keeps getting worse or...what?
I am pulling up a chair right next to you. I don't see a good way out. Maybe tomorrow I'll feel more hopeful, but not today.
I thought I went through the stages of grief after the draft was leaked. Turns out, nope. I am sobbing again. Partly out of rage, partly out of fear, partly out of grief -- for my daughter, for me, for women.
Alito's opinion treats us all like we are stupid and tells us that this opinion doesn't undermine the viability of Griswold (contraception), Lawrence (no banning sodomy) or Obergefell because those decisions don't involve the "critical moral question" of abortion and thus are "inopposite." First -- morality isn't supposed to play a role under the "conservative" jurisprudential reasoning because morality questions are part of making policy, and courts aren't supposed to do that, so you are talking out both sides of your mouth. Second -- we all know you are full of shit, and at least Thomas was clear about it.
On one hand this doesn't seem sustainable. It doesn't seem sustainable to have an extremist minority control all these questions via SCOTUS, and their gerrymandered supermajorities in state legislatures, and their gerrymandered House seats, and the Senate and Electoral College built in advantage. On the other hand, what is the option? Those things I just mentioned mean that change through regular orderly political means is impossible. So either it says this way and keeps getting worse or...what?
Uhhhh since when do *at the very least* Lawrence and Obergefell NOT relate to what some people consider to be “critical moral questions?” It’s like he’s spent the past 2 decades in a totally different universe than the rest of us if he even remotely believes his own claims.
Post by Velar Fricative on Jun 24, 2022 10:13:19 GMT -5
The pro-birthers will lie and say we just feel the same anger they felt in 1973, and that would be a fucking lie. They only attached themselves to abortion in the late 70s because they hated Carter for them losing their precious segregation academy tax privileges. Nary a peep after the 7-2 decision.
ETA: Correction - the crackdowns on the tax privileges were what transpired in the 70s.
Post by madDawg228 on Jun 24, 2022 10:15:12 GMT -5
I keep getting angry when I think of those 6 Justices, and how many of them were nominated by a President who lost the popular vote. Then I get enraged thinking about how TFG-Traitor got to steal a seat, and nominate three total to the SC.
I can't. What are they going to come for next? Why are religious extremists allowed to make these decisions? This is not a theocracy. The majority of people support choice. What the actual FUCK.
Per Thomas's concurrence, gay marriage, contraception, and sodomy.
Yup. Just infuriating. I can't even think straight and haven't been working since I saw the news.
On one hand this doesn't seem sustainable. It doesn't seem sustainable to have an extremist minority control all these questions via SCOTUS, and their gerrymandered supermajorities in state legislatures, and their gerrymandered House seats, and the Senate and Electoral College built in advantage. On the other hand, what is the option? Those things I just mentioned mean that change through regular orderly political means is impossible. So either it says this way and keeps getting worse or...what?
I am pulling up a chair right next to you. I don't see a good way out. Maybe tomorrow I'll feel more hopeful, but not today.
And just wait until the extremists retake federal power. I don't care that New York is a safe haven for abortion now. It won't be when they ram a national ban through.
This ruling and all the other rulings in danger like Obergefell and Griswold and Lawrence, plus guns, are why I see no hope for this country to remain intact as it stands after 2024. That's not what I want but I see it as inevitable. Thanks, SCOTUS!
I thought I went through the stages of grief after the draft was leaked. Turns out, nope. I am sobbing again. Partly out of rage, partly out of fear, partly out of grief -- for my daughter, for me, for women.
Alito's opinion treats us all like we are stupid and tells us that this opinion doesn't undermine the viability of Griswold (contraception), Lawrence (no banning sodomy) or Obergefell because those decisions don't involve the "critical moral question" of abortion and thus are "inopposite." First -- morality isn't supposed to play a role under the "conservative" jurisprudential reasoning because morality questions are part of making policy, and courts aren't supposed to do that, so you are talking out both sides of your mouth. Second -- we all know you are full of shit, and at least Thomas was clear about it.
On one hand this doesn't seem sustainable. It doesn't seem sustainable to have an extremist minority control all these questions via SCOTUS, and their gerrymandered supermajorities in state legislatures, and their gerrymandered House seats, and the Senate and Electoral College built in advantage. On the other hand, what is the option? Those things I just mentioned mean that change through regular orderly political means is impossible. So either it says this way and keeps getting worse or...what?
Uhhhh since when do *at the very least* Lawrence and Obergefell NOT relate to what some people consider to be “critical moral questions?” It’s like he’s spent the past 2 decades in a totally different universe than the rest of us if he even remotely believes his own claims.
You're right, of course.
But Alito really tries to pat us all on the head and tell us that OF COURSE all of the OTHER decisions are not impacted here because they don't involve the "destruction of potential life," so it's totes different.
As a lawyer, I find his reasoning so bad as to be offensive. And the minority calls them out on it, in part in how heavily it weighs on the idea that abortion was not "deeply rooted" at the time of the nation's founding. They're like, "Either you don't believe your own reasoning (and you are big fat liars and disingenous people who are just making up any justification you can find for your preferred policy outcome) OR any right not explicitly declared and/or strongly in existence at 1789 is at risk." I actually think that these are not mutually exclusive.
On one hand this doesn't seem sustainable. It doesn't seem sustainable to have an extremist minority control all these questions via SCOTUS, and their gerrymandered supermajorities in state legislatures, and their gerrymandered House seats, and the Senate and Electoral College built in advantage. On the other hand, what is the option? Those things I just mentioned mean that change through regular orderly political means is impossible. So either it says this way and keeps getting worse or...what?
I am pulling up a chair right next to you. I don't see a good way out. Maybe tomorrow I'll feel more hopeful, but not today.
Nope I feel no hope. I feel very fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me about it. I felt defeated in 2016 but there is just no coming back from this.
How are some amendments fine but others aren't. How is it we put a president in the office that didn't win the majority vote. How is it fine that our country is so gerrymandered that conservatives will basically stay in power forever. How is it fine that there was an insurrection and now I am pretty convinced that once Republicans retake the White House in 2024 they will never leave it.
Our country is broken. It has been for a long time but today just proves it.
Uhhhh since when do *at the very least* Lawrence and Obergefell NOT relate to what some people consider to be “critical moral questions?” It’s like he’s spent the past 2 decades in a totally different universe than the rest of us if he even remotely believes his own claims.
You're right, of course.
But Alito really tries to pat us all on the head and tell us that OF COURSE all of the OTHER decisions are not impacted here because they don't involve the "destruction of potential life," so it's totes different.
As a lawyer, I find his reasoning so bad as to be offensive. And the minority calls them out on it, in part in how heavily it weighs on the idea that abortion was not "deeply rooted" at the time of the nation's founding. They're like, "Either you don't believe your own reasoning (and you are big fat liars and disingenous people who are just making up any justification you can find for your preferred policy outcome) OR any right not explicitly declared and/or strongly in existence at 1789 is at risk." I actually think that these are not mutually exclusive.
I just don't think Alito is that smart. He's a terrible writer and his reasoning always has huge gaping holes in it.
Post by DesertMoon on Jun 24, 2022 10:26:03 GMT -5
I knew this would come from when they made abortion legal to birth. Whenever the door swings so far one way it goes back to the starting point. This always happens in our 2 parties you push an issue then you push it too far and the other side runs all the way back to the starting point. Years of progress pissed away. As someone who benefitted from roe when I was the tender age of 21 I am sickened and glad I am raising my daughter in Canada for now.
I am pulling up a chair right next to you. I don't see a good way out. Maybe tomorrow I'll feel more hopeful, but not today.
And just wait until the extremists retake federal power. I don't care that New York is a safe haven for abortion now. It won't be when they ram a national ban through.
This ruling and all the other rulings in danger like Obergefell and Griswold and Lawrence, plus guns, are why I see no hope for this country to remain intact as it stands after 2024. That's not what I want but I see it as inevitable. Thanks, SCOTUS!
Yup. I'm in DC, which is a Democratic controlled city. But we're not a state, and Congress can control what we do. I fully anticipate that in 2024 they will start by banning abortion here since it's the lowest hanging fruit.
I honestly feel like the only two options are we devolve into the Christo-facist minority run theocracy that seems so obvious or there will be some sort of massive conflict. But at the same time, the ones who have the motive to try to do something here aren't the ones stockpiling weapons and attacking the Capitol, and for the same reasons I don't see the conflict part coming into play. I expect lots of protests and stuff, and the extremist GOP in charge will just laugh and keep going because they know there's nothing we can do.
My husband's great-grandfather was Italian and immigrated and had his grandfather before he naturalized. This seems to mean my husband (and by extension my kids?) can qualify for Italian citizenship. I have always meant to do it but it is a LOT of paperwork and bureaucracy so never got around to it. Now, I think it's my project. I am not sure how to start collecting birth and marriage certificates in Italy, let alone getting them "certified and apostilled," but I want my kids to be able to GTFO.
Post by jeaniebueller on Jun 24, 2022 10:26:25 GMT -5
I have no desire to relitigate 2016 but recall SO many assholes who refused to vote for hillary telling me that roe would never be reversed and that trump was pro choice.