@ Roe is officially dead

[seeyalater52]

Jun 24, 2022 11:58:15 GMT -5 DesertMoon said:

Jun 24, 2022 11:53:19 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Huh? Viability is not the same thing as “until birth.” That is literally a far right talking point you’re regurgitating. A decent number of states have laws permitting abortions up until viability and they’ve been around since the dawn of time (quite literally it is biblical.) Please educate yourself before making inaccurate statements about such an important issue, especially today of all days.

Hun I’m saying this is what conservatives believe, ofcourse it’s a conservative taking point because it’s why the party moved hard so hard the last couple years on doing this. this is why they went wild and doubled down to overturn roe. Don’t tell me to educate myself when you aren’t even following the conversation..

I see you’ve chosen to be rude. I’m not your “hun” and you can fuck right off with that. I’m following the conversation, but as someone who works in health policy I don’t see my colleagues who specialize in this area correlating this decision with NY’s law in particular. The biggest correlation has been the shift in state legislatures and on the Supreme Court that finally allowed one of their test cases to succeed. If you want to dig into being wrong that’s your own prerogative but presenting this theory as if it is a fact is really uncalled for.

[pixy0stix]

Jun 24, 2022 11:42:25 GMT -5 abs said:

Jun 24, 2022 11:34:34 GMT -5 ECB said:

to the degree it can change anything, IDK. but yes, there are republicans out there who are shocked. Who never thought this would happen. I’d LIKE to believe that this will light a fire under their asses to finally realize that their party actually doesn’t represent them anymore. But …. That’s wishful thinking.

It won't.  They will be shocked, horrified, and then bend themselves into pretzels to justify voting Republican again.

I can see this. However, I don't think a majority of people have really looked at what this impacts other than, "those sluts can't use abortion as birth control" anymore. Even with all the women out there sharing their trauma of wanted pregnancies that ended in an abortion for medical reasons.

I would bet one million dollars that these chucklefucks haven't thought about ART and all the implications. I was reading an article about OK and how none of the asswipes thought about how their "life begins at fertilization" was going to impact IVF. (similar article about impacts: abc11.com/roe-wade-overturned-how-does-v-affect-ivf-and-abortion-laws-in-vitro-fertilization/11992850/ )

Things are going to get horrifically bad, but I think the end result is that the Rs are going to lose voters. They shat where they eat, and it's gonna get real hairy for them.

[momof2ms]

NYS is expecting a humanitarian crisis to come from over the state border, and are preparing for that. I’m guessing they’d eventually petition congress about it in some way?

[icedcoffee]

Jun 24, 2022 11:58:15 GMT -5 DesertMoon said:

Jun 24, 2022 11:53:19 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Huh? Viability is not the same thing as “until birth.” That is literally a far right talking point you’re regurgitating. A decent number of states have laws permitting abortions up until viability and they’ve been around since the dawn of time (quite literally it is biblical.) Please educate yourself before making inaccurate statements about such an important issue, especially today of all days.

Hun I’m saying this is what conservatives believe, ofcourse it’s a conservative taking point because it’s why the party moved hard so hard the last couple years on doing this. this is why they went wild and doubled down to overturn roe. Don’t tell me to educate myself when you aren’t even following the conversation..

Hun?  No don't do that.

[DesertMoon]

Jun 24, 2022 12:03:03 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Here is a map and a bunch of informative tables showing what happens now:

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/us/abortion-laws-roe-v-wade.html

(it's a gifted link so you should all have access.)

MN and IL are the only states in that Upper Midwest area with protected access, but there are a dozen states with "uncertain" consequences like MI and WI that aren't enforcing bans at this time, but that's only because they have D governors.

DesertMoon , the NY law allows for abortions until birth only in really really specific circumstances. Even the chart above lists NY with a viability limit as a result of the limited exceptions. Having said that, you're not wrong that people went apeshit and there was rampant disinformation circulating here that babies were being killed after birth and other garbage.

yes, that’s what I was referencing thank you, I’m from Michigan and all the girls I went to high school who are “pro life” were shouting about murdering living babies and they still believe it! And convinced so many others it’s true.

[estrellita]

Jun 24, 2022 11:25:47 GMT -5 wildrice said:

Jun 24, 2022 11:16:57 GMT -5 tacokick said:

So this leaves Minnesota to provide abortions to a massive chunk of the US? Are there places we can help there?

I know the Baltimore Abortion Fund helps provide transport and other financial aid here, what’s the equivalent in the uppermidwest/other areas in need? If there is one.

I am pretty sure IL is not planning to ban abortion - they were pretty outspoken about it when this news first came out last month. Thankfully IL is pretty close to many of the midwestern states that will be banning, but of course they are going to have a hard time supporting EVERYONE.

There is probably a Chicago fund, and the Quad Cities might be another to look into. I just set up a recurring donation with the Baltimore fund, but you bring up a good point that I should also look into the midwest (my homeland!). 

I know we (MN) lean blue almost always, but there is a LOT of red here. I'm hoping we can hang on to it as long as possible. And at the state level, Rs are already hoping to try to ban. I'm worried 😕

[abs]

Jun 24, 2022 12:03:56 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Jun 24, 2022 11:42:25 GMT -5 abs said:

It won't.  They will be shocked, horrified, and then bend themselves into pretzels to justify voting Republican again.

I can see this. However, I don't think a majority of people have really looked at what this impacts other than, "those sluts can't use abortion as birth control" anymore. Even with all the women out there sharing their trauma of wanted pregnancies that ended in an abortion for medical reasons.

I would bet one million dollars that these chucklefucks haven't thought about ART and all the implications. I was reading an article about OK and how none of the asswipes thought about how their "life begins at fertilization" was going to impact IVF. (similar article about impacts: abc11.com/roe-wade-overturned-how-does-v-affect-ivf-and-abortion-laws-in-vitro-fertilization/11992850/ )

Things are going to get horrifically bad, but I think the end result is that the Rs are going to lose voters. They shat where they eat, and it's gonna get real hairy for them.

I agree that their thinking is very myopic and they haven't thought about what that means for things such as ectopic pregnancies and IVF.  I really, REALLY hope you are right that this will make R's lose voters.  I'm just in too dark of a place to believe it right now.

[aurora]

I'm feeling more emotions today than I thought I would (given the leak making this not a surprise).

I'm heartbroken for everyone who will suffer as a result of this.

[cattledogkisses]

Jun 24, 2022 12:08:08 GMT -5 estrellita said:

Jun 24, 2022 11:25:47 GMT -5 wildrice said:

I am pretty sure IL is not planning to ban abortion - they were pretty outspoken about it when this news first came out last month. Thankfully IL is pretty close to many of the midwestern states that will be banning, but of course they are going to have a hard time supporting EVERYONE.

There is probably a Chicago fund, and the Quad Cities might be another to look into. I just set up a recurring donation with the Baltimore fund, but you bring up a good point that I should also look into the midwest (my homeland!). 

I know we (MN) lean blue almost always, but there is a LOT of red here. I'm hoping we can hang on to it as long as possible. And at the state level, Rs are already hoping to try to ban. I'm worried 😕

Yep, this makes state-level elections a lot higher stakes.  Now every 4 years my rights will be on the line. 

I'm nervous about November.  LePage has already said he'll sign abortion restrictions if he wins.

[aurora]

Jun 24, 2022 11:40:31 GMT -5 savan said:

The first thing I told DH this morning is that we are never leaving California. But the reality is that when the republicans regain control, and they will soon, there will be a national ban. Those of us in blue states will not be protected for long.

I am terrified at this possibility (of a national ban).

Why do these assholes think they have a right to make my health care decisions?

[Velar Fricative]

TBH, obviously I know certain states are going to see increased demand for abortion services, but because medical abortions are so common the flood of people may not be as high as expected. Early abortions will probably be overwhelmingly done through medication, so any increase might come from people who require abortions past the first trimester. Which will be heartbreaking in and of itself even if they have the means and support to travel, because for so many of those women, they can't just hop skip and jump into a border state. You can't fly past a certain point in pregnancy. If you feel uncomfortable as fuck then significant travel no matter how it occurs will suck.

[Velar Fricative]

All the major pro-birth organizations are already vocal about how their work isn't done and they will be focusing their efforts on bans in every state (or nationally). Playing the long game for 40 years isn't going to slow them down, but we all knew that.

[carmenere]

Jun 24, 2022 10:57:21 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

So how do we get this right back? Assuming Congress shifts greatly and abortion access is legislated, how would it not be overturned again?

I'm just sick over this.

I think the only to get nationwide abortion access would be a constitutional amendment. I would not be surprised if SCOTUS struck down any federal abortion legislation (access or restriction) saying it's a power reserved to the states. The way we got to 26 states banning abortion is because the GOP successfully played the long game capturing state legislative seats to enact their agenda - the only way we turn that around is for Dems to go hard on organizing and winning elections at the local level.

[pixy0stix]

Jun 24, 2022 12:12:32 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

TBH, obviously I know certain states are going to see increased demand for abortion services, but because medical abortions are so common the flood of people may not be as high as expected. Early abortions will probably be overwhelmingly done through medication, so any increase would come from people who require abortions past the first trimester. Which will be heartbreaking in and of itself even if they have the means and support to travel, because for so many of those women, they can't just hop skip and jump into a border state. You can't fly past a certain point in pregnancy. If you feel uncomfortable as fuck then significant travel no matter how it occurs will suck.

CO has been dealing with an increased demand from outlying states for months now. Starting particularly in September when TX restricted abortion at 6 weeks. It's already happening.

[isabel]

I don’t even have words. I feel numb. I knew this was coming, but it’s hitting hard.

[newnamesameperson]

Jun 24, 2022 10:10:22 GMT -5 formerlyak said:

My teen came downstairs when the decision came out. He could see that I was shaking. He knows reproductive rights are very important. He knows his mom was the one who first wrote a pro choice argument for my high school, now his high school’s school paper. He knows our family left the Catholic Church when I was kicked out of youth group for refusing to attend a pro life rally at 16. He just said, “Sorry.” Then the map came on tv with the states that have trigger laws or will likely put anti-abortion laws into place now. I told him he’s not allowed to apply for college on any of those states. He agreed.

I see his classmates making college decisions based on state politics. They organize rallies and protests. The biggest pro choice rally we had locally was organized by high schoolers. I’m trying to have hope that they will make better choices than the current ones. We need to vote and support and put our money where it’s needed, but we can’t overlook continuing to encourage 16-18 year olds to get involved and being politically active. They all get to vote in 2024.

I completely get where you are coming from but at the same time it bothers me so much.  My sister refuses to move to a red state.  I get it.  I 100%%%%%%% get it but if people don't come to these red states no change will happen.  

Finally...Georgia turned blue.  I 100% believe it's not only due to people within the state voting but a slow change that's occurring here in terms of people from more liberal areas moving to the south.  

Please guys don't respond with a million reasons why none of you would move here.  I think I'm just sad and probably shouldn't have posted a response. 

[DesertMoon]

Jun 24, 2022 12:03:26 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Jun 24, 2022 11:58:15 GMT -5 DesertMoon said:

Hun I’m saying this is what conservatives believe, ofcourse it’s a conservative taking point because it’s why the party moved hard so hard the last couple years on doing this. this is why they went wild and doubled down to overturn roe. Don’t tell me to educate myself when you aren’t even following the conversation..

I see you’ve chosen to be rude. I’m not your “hun” and you can fuck right off with that. I’m following the conversation, but as someone who works in health policy I don’t see my colleagues who specialize in this area correlating this decision with NY’s law in particular. The biggest correlation has been the shift in state legislatures and on the Supreme Court that finally allowed one of their test cases to succeed. If you want to dig into being wrong that’s your own prerogative but presenting this theory as if it is a fact is really uncalled for.

I’m rude? I called you hun after you misunderstood me and told me to “educate myself” and now you tell me to fuck off ? Lol ok sorry I even commented.

[MixedBerryJam]

I’m still on page one so I haven’t seen all the replies yet. But if I don’t see an ad on TV within the next 72 hours with Barrett’s dismissive “well we have safe harbor laws everywhere now, so what’s the big deal?” quote I swear to god I will pay for one myself. And Thomas ‘s invitation to RWNJs to manufacture suits to reconsider marriage equality, contraception, etc made me physically retch. As a woman well past the need for this particular right, I want to hug every one of you. Which I know won’t solve anything. But you’ve had this right your entire lives, so I don’t understand the logic that this right isn’t (I’m paraphrasing bc I’m to mad to look up the quote) long-established.

[DotAndBuzz]

Jun 24, 2022 10:57:21 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

So how do we get this right back? Assuming Congress shifts greatly and abortion access is legislated, how would it not be overturned again?

I'm just sick over this.

If anyone is in Michigan, make sure you sign this petition, to amend our state constitution to protect reproductive freedom. 

ballotpedia.org/Michigan_Right_to_Reproductive_Freedom_Initiative_(2022)

The law on our books prohibits abortion, and is no longer voided by Roe. This would change our state constitution so it wouldn't be up to the AG/Gov/leg as to whether the law is enforced or not.

I've seen people hanging outside of Kroger and Target, as well as on main intersections in my town downtown area. If you haven't seen them around, you can always be the one to start collecting signatures.

Here's the link to the organization leading this initiative:
mireproductivefreedom.org

[sofamonkey]

Jun 24, 2022 12:23:59 GMT -5 DesertMoon said:

Jun 24, 2022 12:03:26 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

I see you’ve chosen to be rude. I’m not your “hun” and you can fuck right off with that. I’m following the conversation, but as someone who works in health policy I don’t see my colleagues who specialize in this area correlating this decision with NY’s law in particular. The biggest correlation has been the shift in state legislatures and on the Supreme Court that finally allowed one of their test cases to succeed. If you want to dig into being wrong that’s your own prerogative but presenting this theory as if it is a fact is really uncalled for.

I’m rude? I called you hun after you misunderstood me and told me to “educate myself” and now you tell me to fuck off ? Lol ok sorry I even commented.

Take just one second to not be defensive and reactive. Now, realize that you’re being so damn rude to a poster that is not only incredibly kind, but also proactive in her area (healthcare advocacy). Your initial post was utter nonsense and unclear AF, and then you decided to double down on being just a total jerk. The reason your post was misunderstood is because it was so poorly made. Perhaps re-evaluate and add an ETA to your initial post so that people can understand what you’re trying to get across. We all make mistakes in communication, but getting defensive when we make mistakes needn’t be one that happens.

seeyalater52 there’s no reason for you to be spoken to like this, and I’m sorry. You do so much for literally everyone, and it is very appreciated. ❤️

[pugz]

Kansas has a constitutional amendment on the AUGUST PRIMARY BALLOT. Fuck the GOP.

Right now abortion is a constitutional right for Kansas. This would remove that right and then the far right GOP can fully ban abortion. Right now it's just restricted to a certain # of weeks.

Catholics are handing out signs and bumper stickers on Sundays that say "value them both" and they are popping up all over town.

And even if we can get lots of folks in our blue county to vote no, we have the rest of the state to contend with and I really think it's hopeless. I hate this world.

[wesleycrusher]

Jun 24, 2022 11:29:25 GMT -5 tacokick said:

Can I add that I am tired of the press giving so much attention to fringe opinions and profiling these leaders/members of racist, sexist right wing groups in the interest of “fairness” or being “impartial”. Stop legitimizing them and making their opinions seem popular and reasonable.

People should not be surprised to learn that most Americans actually are pro choice! But I see that surprise so often even in pro choice circles.

This documentary isn't abortion related, but I just watched it the other night and it is exactly about this. 

www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=FS52QdHNTh8&feature=emb_logo

The Brain Washing of My Dad

Jen Senko, a documentary filmmaker, looks at the rise of right-wing media through the lens of her WWII vet father who changed from a life-long, nonpolitical Democrat to an angry, right-wing fanatic after his discovery of talk radio on a lengthened commute to work.

In trying to understand how this happened, she not only finds this to be a phenomenon, but also uncovers some of the forces behind it: a plan by Roger Ailes under Nixon to create a media for the GOP; the Lewis Powell Memo, urging business leaders to influence institutions of public opinion - especially the universities - the media and the courts; and under Reagan, the dismantling of the Fairness Doctrine - all of which helped to change the entire country's direction and culture, misinformed millions, divided families and even the country itself.

[pixy0stix]

I think that we need to recognize that emotions are running high and that not everyone is at their best right now. Piling on, adding on, to a conversation between two posters is probably not in the best interest of anyone right now. We're all coming from a place where we're just trying to keep our metaphorical shit together.

[pixy0stix]

Corporate America is reacting, expanding travel benefits to those that need an abortion - www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/06/24/abortion-supreme-court-corporate-reaction/

[pixy0stix]

Jun 24, 2022 12:48:15 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Corporate America is reacting, expanding travel benefits to those that need an abortion - www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/06/24/abortion-supreme-court-corporate-reaction/

Thinking about this, I bet states try to take this away from companies. Which will be fucking rich considering the Rs gave companies the right to regulate healthcare to their employees.

[cattledogkisses]

Jun 24, 2022 12:48:15 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Corporate America is reacting, expanding travel benefits to those that need an abortion - www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/06/24/abortion-supreme-court-corporate-reaction/

It feels like just a drop in the ocean, but I plan to blast on all my social media that if anyone I know needs a place to stay or help getting here, that my home is open to them as long as abortion remains legal in this state.

[Patsy Baloney]

Illinoisan clinic escort here - we’ve been preparing for the influx from other states for a while now. We always had a lot of folks traveling to the clinic I volunteer at from other states, but we know it’s going to really increase now.

IL is calling a special legislative session for reproductive rights, rumored July 6-7. We have expanded access and removed parental notification laws. Hoping we can address prosecution of patients from other states and other ways to continue expanding access. We can’t let our neighbors down.

I genuinely believe this issue alone will continue a Dem super-majority for a very long time.

[biscoffcookies]

Jun 24, 2022 12:51:58 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Jun 24, 2022 12:48:15 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Corporate America is reacting, expanding travel benefits to those that need an abortion - www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/06/24/abortion-supreme-court-corporate-reaction/

Thinking about this, I bet states try to take this away from companies. Which will be fucking rich considering the Rs gave companies the right to regulate healthcare to their employees.

Certain GOP members have already said that companies who do this should lose any sort of tax benefits they have and/or not be used for official state business.  To the degree that laws are passed that criminalize attempting to obtain an abortion elsewhere, they could also be criminally liable for aiding and abetting.  So yeah.  This is nice but not foolproof either.

[Poeticxpassion]

Fuck!! I’m so angry. I feel so defeated.

pixy0stix, thank you for the link.

[somersault72]

Y'all I'm going to say something I've never said before. I never wish people dead, ever. Not even Trump. But.... SCOTUS is a lifetime appointment. And there's a few that need to go before 2024. I mean if there's a way for them to leave the court without dying, whatever, but BYE.