Titanic tourist submersible goes missing

[AAM2012]

Am I the only one that thinks it’s weird that all news media is framing this as a race to save these people?

Like I’m not seeing how that’s even remotely possible unless they are floating around at surface level which won’t even happen.

[aurora]

Jun 22, 2023 8:09:45 GMT -5 AAM2012 said:

Am I the only one that thinks it’s weird that all news media is framing this as a race to save these people?

Like I’m not seeing how that’s even remotely possible unless they are floating around at surface level which won’t even happen.

I think it's natural to want to keep a hopeful attitude. Certainly unlikely rescues can and have been made. I also think the media would get blasted for writing as if these people are dead prematurely.

But I do think (and am sure most agree) that at this point their chances of survival are low.

[aurora]

Jun 22, 2023 7:32:20 GMT -5 rubytue said:

Jun 22, 2023 7:07:37 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

I don't really have oceanic fears. I've happily night swum/dived. We'd jump overboard in mile deep water with just a drift line. 6ft seas aren't fun, but I've encountered then in a small sub 20ft boat and not felt afraid.

I'm saying aw hell naw to this. And that's before addressing the spare 250k being put to this absurd use. So many levels of bad judgment

I’m mostly with you. But I must say, when I was snorkeling at “The Wall” in grand Turk (one of those points just offshore where there is an underwater cliff, from like 30’ to 1500’). It was disconcerting. So, maybe I’m not… 

There's something disconcerting about being at the edge. Even going from 10' to 50' feels disconcerting, even though practically speaking there's no difference for me as a snorkeler.

[TR]

Jun 22, 2023 8:09:45 GMT -5 AAM2012 said:

Am I the only one that thinks it’s weird that all news media is framing this as a race to save these people?

Like I’m not seeing how that’s even remotely possible unless they are floating around at surface level which won’t even happen.

It keeps people watching.

[wildrice]

Yeah, it sounds like there is little possibility of rescue at this point. And by little, I mean basically none. Honestly I kind of think they should just call off the search - seems like a waste of resources/risk to others without likelihood of resulting in any lives saved.

[underwaterrhymes]

I remember when 9/11 happened, they would periodically have someone lie down in the rubble so the rescue dogs would have someone to save. (They were getting really depressed.) These people being utter dumbasses aside, I guess I think of framing this as a scenario where this is still hope is really important. It’s a grim job searching for survivors.

[quesyrah]

Jun 22, 2023 8:38:04 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

I remember when 9/11 happened, they would periodically have someone lie down in the rubble so the rescue dogs would have someone to save. (They were getting really depressed.) These people being utter dumbasses aside, I guess I think of framing this as a scenario where this is still hope is really important. It’s a grim job searching for survivors.

I had not heard this. That is so sad.

[msmerymac]

Jun 21, 2023 15:10:46 GMT -5 rubytue said:

One more thought, and this may be a controversial take, but I often consider that none of us are getting out alive. And then, people do stuff and die. But they are doing it because they love it (rock climbing, BASE jumping, backcountry skiing). The risks are self evident. And ii find there is some peace in going doing something you love. Even the guy who has a heart attack on a golf course.

Now, I guess for these people, other than all lose of life being tragic, I kind of take that perspective on it. As far as the people. Of course, all sorts of WTF with it and the $$$$ rescue effort.

I haven't seen anyone post this article from Slate yesterday: slate.com/technology/2023/06/ocean-gate-submersible-oxygen-rescue.html


“Deciding that death is just another coding error has become something of a Silicon Valley bar mitzvah of late—when you reach a certain age and net worth, it’s time to start figuring out how to live forever,” feature writer Suzy Weiss recently observed. The methods for living forever that she chronicled, in a piece for the Free Press, were, to be clear, rather hare-brained: One serial entrepreneur launched a startup called Cryopets; he planned to put his Labradoodle, Jasper, on ice, and then, eventually, his parents. Another hopes to bring woolly mammoths back. Of humans, he told Weiss: “If you want to live to 1,000 and beyond … you should be able to.”
...


But this week, like so many of us, I’ve been thinking about the other direction that can apply to that comment about Silicon Valley—what happens when the goal, having achieved so much else, is not extending life, but risking it? Because if placing a bet on living forever is one leisure activity to put your vast wealth toward, another is extreme feats of travel. The rich people of today can buy tickets to outer space. Or to the deep ocean. Where things can go very wrong, very quickly.



My favorite part of this, though, was in the comments, when someone said, "I can't understand the longevity impulse. Wouldn't you get tired of everything relatively quickly? Dying means I won't have to put up with this crap forever." and the response was, "Guys like Peter Thiel don't want to take a chance there is an after life. For good reason too."

[lahoagie]

Is this like Schrödinger’s cat? Where they are dead and alive at the same time?

[gemini79]

Jun 22, 2023 8:03:54 GMT -5 hermione said:

Jun 22, 2023 7:48:16 GMT -5 mx27 said:

but we’re talking about the submersible that is currently missing. The fact is, there aren’t any women on it.

Ok? It's not a huge stretch to then say, "Yes, but there has been a woman before." 

What's that saying about having to explain jokes? 🤔

[pixy0stix]

Jun 22, 2023 9:18:50 GMT -5 lahoagie said:

Is this like Schrödinger’s cat? Where they are dead and alive at the same time?

So grim, but yes.

[Jalapeñomel]

Jun 22, 2023 8:58:22 GMT -5 msmerymac said:

Jun 21, 2023 15:10:46 GMT -5 rubytue said:

One more thought, and this may be a controversial take, but I often consider that none of us are getting out alive. And then, people do stuff and die. But they are doing it because they love it (rock climbing, BASE jumping, backcountry skiing). The risks are self evident. And ii find there is some peace in going doing something you love. Even the guy who has a heart attack on a golf course.

Now, I guess for these people, other than all lose of life being tragic, I kind of take that perspective on it. As far as the people. Of course, all sorts of WTF with it and the $$$$ rescue effort.

My favorite part of this, though, was in the comments, when someone said, "I can't understand the longevity impulse. Wouldn't you get tired of everything relatively quickly? Dying means I won't have to put up with this crap forever." and the response was, "Guys like Peter Thiel don't want to take a chance there is an after life. For good reason too."

Damn. 

Also, when your that rich, do people actually tell you no? It seems to me that everyone becomes a yes man, so to say. 

[sent]

Jun 22, 2023 9:51:48 GMT -5 Jalapeñomel said:

Jun 22, 2023 8:58:22 GMT -5 msmerymac said:

My favorite part of this, though, was in the comments, when someone said, "I can't understand the longevity impulse. Wouldn't you get tired of everything relatively quickly? Dying means I won't have to put up with this crap forever." and the response was, "Guys like Peter Thiel don't want to take a chance there is an after life. For good reason too."

Damn. 

Also, when your that rich, do people actually tell you no? It seems to me that everyone becomes a yes man, so to say. 

I'm sure they are told no, but they know you're wrong and laws including laws of nature don't apply to them. 

[Velar Fricative]

Coast Guard reported on Twitter that they found a debris field and are currently investigating. Another press conference is scheduled for 3:00 pm Eastern.

[karinothing]

Ugh, that is so sad. I am glad they weren't suffering all this time though.

[Susie]

Since we're already past the 96 hour period in which a live crew could likely be rescued, the discovery of a debris field is almost welcome news.  That would mean it happened fast.  The alternative is too horrible to even imagine.

[gretchenindisguise]

Jun 22, 2023 11:25:01 GMT -5 Susie said:

Since we're already past the 96 hour period in which a live crew could likely be rescued, the discovery of a debris field is almost welcome news.  That would mean it happened fast.  The alternative is too horrible to even imagine.

This was my thought too. At this stage, it's potentially the best possible outcome.

[noodleoo]

Just saw the update. I didn't realize I was hoping for a miracle, but my reaction was sadness. Even though I know it is probably better for it to be quick than for them to have suffered while waiting for oxygen to run out.

[cous0226]

Jun 22, 2023 11:25:01 GMT -5 Susie said:

Since we're already past the 96 hour period in which a live crew could likely be rescued, the discovery of a debris field is almost welcome news.  That would mean it happened fast.  The alternative is too horrible to even imagine.

Sorry what does this mean? Does it mean the sub exploded? Thanks

[mcsangel2]

Jun 22, 2023 12:07:11 GMT -5 cous0226 said:

Jun 22, 2023 11:25:01 GMT -5 Susie said:

Since we're already past the 96 hour period in which a live crew could likely be rescued, the discovery of a debris field is almost welcome news.  That would mean it happened fast.  The alternative is too horrible to even imagine.

Sorry what does this mean? Does it mean the sub exploded? Thanks

Yes.

[maudefindlay]

Jun 22, 2023 11:25:01 GMT -5 Susie said:

Since we're already past the 96 hour period in which a live crew could likely be rescued, the discovery of a debris field is almost welcome news.  That would mean it happened fast.  The alternative is too horrible to even imagine.

And they can stop the search then hopefully.

[mcsangel2]

Except they aren't sure it's from the sub. The debris field was found on the ocean floor. I think they would have expected debris from the sub to float to the surface (my own speculation).

[Deleted]

Jun 22, 2023 12:07:11 GMT -5 cous0226 said:

Jun 22, 2023 11:25:01 GMT -5 Susie said:

Since we're already past the 96 hour period in which a live crew could likely be rescued, the discovery of a debris field is almost welcome news.  That would mean it happened fast.  The alternative is too horrible to even imagine.

Sorry what does this mean? Does it mean the sub exploded? Thanks

Likely that it imploded from the extreme pressure. So hopefully that means the end was swift for the people on board. But in general any wreckage means they’re likely not alive since I highly doubt there were any survival aids on board (ie: life preservers, life rafts, water rations, etc).

I imagine the wreckage should have clues as to what happened to cause the sun to break up. Maybe we’ll hear about that in the press conference, but it might require analysis that will take more time.

[cous0226]

Jun 22, 2023 12:18:55 GMT -5 @villainv said:

Jun 22, 2023 12:07:11 GMT -5 cous0226 said:

Sorry what does this mean? Does it mean the sub exploded? Thanks

Likely that it imploded from the extreme pressure. So hopefully that means the end was swift for the people on board. But in general any wreckage means they’re likely not alive since I highly doubt there were any survival aids on board (ie: life preservers, life rafts, water rations, etc).

I imagine the wreckage should have clues as to what happened to cause the sun to break up. Maybe we’ll hear about that in the press conference, but it might require analysis that will take more time.

Ok thanks for explaining.

[RoxMonster]

news.sky.com/story/titanic-submarine-missing-live-updates-submersible-cannot-be-opened-from-inside-time-running-out-on-oxygen-supply-waiver-mentions-death-three-times-12905748

A source in this article said the debris found was from the submersible

[waverly]

Jun 22, 2023 12:16:54 GMT -5 mcsangel2 said:

Except they aren't sure it's from the sub. The debris field was found on the ocean floor. I think they would have expected debris from the sub to float to the surface (my own speculation).

It might be less likely to float up given how far down they were.  

[krystee]

I was with a former senior naval officer yesterday who spent a lot of time on submarines, and he said if it exploded due to pressure, the entire thing could be the size of a can of soda, so I was thinking that finding debris wouldn’t be possible. Sadly, debris is probably the best possible outcome at this point—they clearly didn’t make it with oxygen, so knowing they died quickly and not having to wonder forever how they died and where they are is a relief for those who know them, I would imagine.

[Deleted]

Jun 22, 2023 12:59:02 GMT -5 krystee said:

I was with a former senior naval officer yesterday who spent a lot of time on submarines, and he said if it exploded due to pressure, the entire thing could be the size of a can of soda, so I was thinking that finding debris wouldn’t be possible. Sadly, debris is probably the best possible outcome at this point—they clearly didn’t make it with oxygen, so knowing they died quickly and not having to wonder forever how they died and where they are is a relief for those who know them, I would imagine.

I’m not a senior naval officer, nor am I a material scientist, but I have trouble thinking that a 20-foot long submarine made out of five-inch thick carbon fiber could be reduced to the size of a soda can. Crushed? Yes. Broken apart? Yes. Horribly disfigured? Yes. But that’s a lot of material that had to go somewhere. Likely some of it floated (and may have dispersed on the surface) and some of it sank based on how dense different parts were.

If he was being hyperbolic, then please excuse my ramblings.

[anodyne]

CNN was reporting, and admitting it is speculation at this point, that the submersible and Titanic community is very small and close-knit. The sea floor at the site is well documented and those in the community are saying this is new debris

[msmerymac]

www.tiktok.com/@lousyshirtshop/video/7246940071675301163

Anyone a Jeopardy aficionado? Looks like Sam Buttrey dodged a bullet.