Kamala's campaign

[cville]

Aug 30, 2024 9:08:09 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

I thought Dana Bash’s questions were terrible. She just regurgitated GOP talking points. Harris and Walz handled it very well, but Bash was wretched.

Agreed. But it took a quiver out of 45's playbook. Hey mothereffers, guess who talked to media?

We know they'll pivot to something else stupid, but the interview/questions stuff was becoming A THING so I'm glad it's quashed.

[wildrice]

Aug 28, 2024 16:42:06 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

Aug 28, 2024 10:42:02 GMT -5 erbear said:

So what’s tricky is this is a new directive. I teach in a Quaker school. It’s an extremely liberal place and we have always been encouraged to be involved in politics and social justice — it’s in the mission of the school. So this is a change and retroactive — the damage, so to speak, is done.

You can still be "liberal" and discuss issues that are important but you just can’t in the capacity of your job specifically support/endorse or tell anyone else they need to endorse a specific candidate.

Obviously all the work I do is very "political" and it’s never stopped me from being clear on where I stand on issues in my professional roles and much of the work I do is with 501c3 outside of the work I do as an independent contractor. I just can’t say go vote for xyz.

This is exactly my understanding of how it works at my organization, too. Issues are fine, specific candidates are not. 

If you really want to be careful on your own social media, I think you could share support for blue issues while avoiding mention of a specific candidate. But I've never been told that I have to do anything one way or another on my personal social media. As HR I would recommend following whatever policy your employer has put forth, but in terms of federal law I'm pretty sure you can legally post whatever you want as long as you aren't attributing it to your employer.

[timorousbeastie]

Aug 30, 2024 9:12:00 GMT -5 cville said:

Aug 30, 2024 9:08:09 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

I thought Dana Bash’s questions were terrible. She just regurgitated GOP talking points. Harris and Walz handled it very well, but Bash was wretched.

Agreed. But it took a quiver out of 45's playbook. Hey mothereffers, guess who talked to media?

We know they'll pivot to something else stupid, but the interview/questions stuff was becoming A THING so I'm glad it's quashed.

They have already pivoted to something else stupid - the talking point I’m seeing today is that Harris isn’t the strong woman she claims to be because she did the interview with a man (Walz) rather than on her own.

[cville]

Aug 30, 2024 9:19:18 GMT -5 timorousbeastie said:

Aug 30, 2024 9:12:00 GMT -5 cville said:

Agreed. But it took a quiver out of 45's playbook. Hey mothereffers, guess who talked to media?

We know they'll pivot to something else stupid, but the interview/questions stuff was becoming A THING so I'm glad it's quashed.

They have already pivoted to something else stupid - the talking point I’m seeing today is that Harris isn’t the strong woman she claims to be because she did the interview with a man (Walz) rather than on her own.

Good lord. And if he wasn't there it would be why are they hiding Walz? 🙄

[basilosaurus]

Aug 30, 2024 9:19:18 GMT -5 timorousbeastie said:

Aug 30, 2024 9:12:00 GMT -5 cville said:

Agreed. But it took a quiver out of 45's playbook. Hey mothereffers, guess who talked to media?

We know they'll pivot to something else stupid, but the interview/questions stuff was becoming A THING so I'm glad it's quashed.

They have already pivoted to something else stupid - the talking point I’m seeing today is that Harris isn’t the strong woman she claims to be because she did the interview with a man (Walz) rather than on her own.

They truly are desperate. How dare she interview with her running mate and show a solid front!

It's probably because mango menace cannot fathom sharing attention with anyone

[livinitup]

erbear You got some good information and answers to your question about using your work laptop. I tagged you to say (and to highlight for all of us reading along) that we should draw a hard line between using work devices for work only and personal devices for anything else. At my last job, I broke this rule and was extremely messy with using my laptop for anything and everything. Now, at my new job, security awareness is so strong that I horrify myself at my old attitude and risk taking.

[underwaterrhymes]

Aug 30, 2024 9:19:18 GMT -5 timorousbeastie said:

Aug 30, 2024 9:12:00 GMT -5 cville said:

Agreed. But it took a quiver out of 45's playbook. Hey mothereffers, guess who talked to media?

We know they'll pivot to something else stupid, but the interview/questions stuff was becoming A THING so I'm glad it's quashed.

They have already pivoted to something else stupid - the talking point I’m seeing today is that Harris isn’t the strong woman she claims to be because she did the interview with a man (Walz) rather than on her own.

Which is hysterically hypocritical because McCain did interviews with Palin and Romney did them with Ryan. No idea what Trump did because I avoid him at all costs, but this is hardly unprecedented.

[fernweh]

Aug 30, 2024 9:29:49 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

Aug 30, 2024 9:19:18 GMT -5 timorousbeastie said:

They have already pivoted to something else stupid - the talking point I’m seeing today is that Harris isn’t the strong woman she claims to be because she did the interview with a man (Walz) rather than on her own.

Which is hysterically hypocritical because McCain did interviews with Palin and Romney did them with Ryan. No idea what Trump did because I avoid him at all costs, but this is hardly unprecedented.

Yes - I saw someone respond to a Megan McCain tweet criticizing her having Walz with a clip of McCain and Palin doing an interview together.

[erbear]

I have my Kamala shirt on today and stopped at a farm stand in lower Delaware on my way home from the beach. An older white man (maybe late 60s) stopped me and complimented me on my shirt and said "I hope she wins...and that's coming from a Republican former Trump voter." So me being me, I asked what changed his mind and he went OFF: he's a veteran and he's "not a sucker and not a loser". He doesn't understand how a woman under 50 could consider voting Republican when they have been "dead clear" that they will gut reproductive rights. He can't understand how teachers would vote Republican when there's no question that "this would be the end of public schools". 

I was not expecting that.

[lilac05]

Aug 31, 2024 14:53:10 GMT -5 erbear said:

I have my Kamala shirt on today and stopped at a farm stand in lower Delaware on my way home from the beach. An older white man (maybe late 60s) stopped me and complimented me on my shirt and said "I hope she wins...and that's coming from a Republican former Trump voter." So me being me, I asked what changed his mind and he went OFF: he's a veteran and he's "not a sucker and not a loser". He doesn't understand how a woman under 50 could consider voting Republican when they have been "dead clear" that they will gut reproductive rights. He can't understand how teachers would vote Republican when there's no question that "this would be the end of public schools". 

I was not expecting that.

This is SO awesome! These are the people we need to be empowering to share their story more with their friends and family. They have more power to swing some people’s minds than those of us who have always despised Trump from day 1. I think there needs to be more space for people to say, “I voted for Trump, but I won’t do it again” without the fear of hearing anger about their prior votes. They can’t be changed…but votes for 2024 CAN!

[fernweh]

Sept 1, 2024 7:16:59 GMT -5 lilac05 said:

Aug 31, 2024 14:53:10 GMT -5 erbear said:

I have my Kamala shirt on today and stopped at a farm stand in lower Delaware on my way home from the beach. An older white man (maybe late 60s) stopped me and complimented me on my shirt and said "I hope she wins...and that's coming from a Republican former Trump voter." So me being me, I asked what changed his mind and he went OFF: he's a veteran and he's "not a sucker and not a loser". He doesn't understand how a woman under 50 could consider voting Republican when they have been "dead clear" that they will gut reproductive rights. He can't understand how teachers would vote Republican when there's no question that "this would be the end of public schools". 

I was not expecting that.

This is SO awesome! These are the people we need to be empowering to share their story more with their friends and family. They have more power to swing some people’s minds than those of us who have always despised Trump from day 1. I think there needs to be more space for people to say, “I voted for Trump, but I won’t do it again” without the fear of hearing anger about their prior votes. They can’t be changed…but votes for 2024 CAN!

I agree. I’ll admit my initial thought was F them, how could they not see him for what he was in 2016 and 2020. Someone here pointed out they felt like they had a community, they were accepted by the others, so if we ostracize them, they will go back to them. It really put it in perspective for them. Any other cult I wouldn’t blame them for being brainwashed as long as they were, I would just embrace and be glad they escaped. That’s what we need to do here as well because it truly is a cult.

[lilac05]

fernweh, I think that’s a great point. If we are going to call Trump’s groupies a “cult” (which I generally agree applies to a good portion of his voters), then we should treat those who escape in a similar manner as those who escape any other cult.

That said…there are some people who vote for him who vote for him who are not really cult-like. They’re simply voting for their own personal interest because they’re selfish and don’t want to pay taxes. I still think we’re wasting energy shaming them for previous votes, but I also have no interest in celebrating that they have now decided to care about someone other than themselves.

[heyyounotyouyou]

I’d also be curious how these people are voting down ticket. Great they aren’t voting for trump but if they vote down the R party line for everything else, they haven’t learned a damn thing about what is happening today.

[sonrisa]

Let’s not pretend terrible republican policies and values started with Trump.

I will embrace any ‘true convert’ who realizes the pain and suffering caused by policies embraced by Regan, W, the tea party, etc.

People like that guy are important for turning the tide and I’m glad they are seeing the damage of this asshole, but i don’t imagine his down ballot or future votes support my values. I’d still bet my kid isn’t safe around him.

[wanderingback]

I don’t think we’ll ever have stats on this but I do not think that most people who voted for Trump are brain washed or part of a cult. They are regular (mostly) white Americans who have always voted Republican cause "god bless America." Let’s not act like they get a pass for finally changing their mind. In addition, how do they vote on other issues or other candidates?

[basilosaurus]

Sept 1, 2024 12:20:52 GMT -5 lilac05 said:

fernweh , I think that’s a great point. If we are going to call Trump’s groupies a “cult” (which I generally agree applies to a good portion of his voters), then we should treat those who escape in a similar manner as those who escape any other cult.

That said…there are some people who vote for him who vote for him who are not really cult-like. They’re simply voting for their own personal interest because they’re selfish and don’t want to pay taxes. I still think we’re wasting energy shaming them for previous votes, but I also have no interest in celebrating that they have now decided to care about someone other than themselves.

They're not even reaping the benefits of a selfish vote. The people who benefited under trump are not the cult magats who go to rallies and end up mocked on the daily show.

[cville]

The photos and videos of Walz at the state fair are giving me life.

[lilac05]

Where’s the best place to find some information about her proposed policies?

I try not to argue on Facebook, but I couldn’t help myself when someone posted a story. “Mom is living on a fixed income. Mom bought her house for $50K and now it’s worth $500K. Mom now has to take out a loan for $112,500 to pay the taxes on the house. Mom has to foreclose, but the government will buy her home and rent it back to her.” I shared an article from Fortune, but her response was “that’s Fortune’s take” and not consistent with what she has heard.

Seriously, the stupidity of some people. The hold that the right has on people that they’d believe something as absurd as this is nearly unbelievable.

[prettyinpearls]

Sept 3, 2024 6:53:12 GMT -5 lilac05 said:

Where’s the best place to find some information about her proposed policies?

I try not to argue on Facebook, but I couldn’t help myself when someone posted a story. “Mom is living on a fixed income. Mom bought her house for $50K and now it’s worth $500K. Mom now has to take out a loan for $112,500 to pay the taxes on the house. Mom has to foreclose, but the government will buy her home and rent it back to her.” I shared an article from Fortune, but her response was “that’s Fortune’s take” and not consistent with what she has heard.

Seriously, the stupidity of some people. The hold that the right has on people that they’d believe something as absurd as this is nearly unbelievable.

I experienced this exact same thing over the weekend. Like you, I try not to argue on FB since I know it falls on deaf ears, but this is such blatant misinformation.  The OP responded to my comment with "Send me your sources" when I told her Kamala's proposed capital gains tax plan applies only to those with $100 million+ in wealth. So, I found at least 5 links to articles that talked about her plan and use various sources. I just went back to her page to see what sources I used and this popped up as FB's automatic "Fact Check" on the post: factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.36EV7JB?fbclid=IwY2xjawFD3KFleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHWJkDPMF8fm1fdzSStwquhPKDA8DE79xX0EgKCJydgqa56RDE8RgqE3ymg_aem_a6Ty_xPBGSZVtuBNWePfGA

[lilac05]

Sept 3, 2024 7:14:14 GMT -5 prettyinpearls said:

Sept 3, 2024 6:53:12 GMT -5 lilac05 said:

Where’s the best place to find some information about her proposed policies?

I try not to argue on Facebook, but I couldn’t help myself when someone posted a story. “Mom is living on a fixed income. Mom bought her house for $50K and now it’s worth $500K. Mom now has to take out a loan for $112,500 to pay the taxes on the house. Mom has to foreclose, but the government will buy her home and rent it back to her.” I shared an article from Fortune, but her response was “that’s Fortune’s take” and not consistent with what she has heard.

Seriously, the stupidity of some people. The hold that the right has on people that they’d believe something as absurd as this is nearly unbelievable.

I experienced this exact same thing over the weekend. Like you, I try not to argue on FB since I know it falls on deaf ears, but this is such blatant misinformation.  The OP responded to my comment with "Send me your sources" when I told her Kamala's proposed capital gains tax plan applies only to those with $100 million+ in wealth. So, I found at least 5 links to articles that talked about her plan and use various sources. I just went back to her page to see what sources I used and this popped up as FB's automatic "Fact Check" on the post: factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.36EV7JB?fbclid=IwY2xjawFD3KFleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHWJkDPMF8fm1fdzSStwquhPKDA8DE79xX0EgKCJydgqa56RDE8RgqE3ymg_aem_a6Ty_xPBGSZVtuBNWePfGA

Thank you! I shared that with her…not that they believe fact checks anyway.

These people believe only what comes from Trump, FoxNews, or whatever those other far right news orgs say. Facts require their approval in order to be true.

[gretchenindisguise]

Sept 3, 2024 6:53:12 GMT -5 lilac05 said:

Where’s the best place to find some information about her proposed policies?

I try not to argue on Facebook, but I couldn’t help myself when someone posted a story. “Mom is living on a fixed income. Mom bought her house for $50K and now it’s worth $500K. Mom now has to take out a loan for $112,500 to pay the taxes on the house. Mom has to foreclose, but the government will buy her home and rent it back to her.” I shared an article from Fortune, but her response was “that’s Fortune’s take” and not consistent with what she has heard.

Seriously, the stupidity of some people. The hold that the right has on people that they’d believe something as absurd as this is nearly unbelievable.

I saw this one pop up too. 😞

For my guy, I posted a USA today article for him, which he liked and then deleted the post. But he seems more reasonable than your person.

I'm pretty sure I'd ask your person for a source that it's not only on stock gains for those over $100m.

[TR]

Sept 3, 2024 8:55:32 GMT -5 gretchenindisguise said:

Sept 3, 2024 6:53:12 GMT -5 lilac05 said:

Where’s the best place to find some information about her proposed policies?

I try not to argue on Facebook, but I couldn’t help myself when someone posted a story. “Mom is living on a fixed income. Mom bought her house for $50K and now it’s worth $500K. Mom now has to take out a loan for $112,500 to pay the taxes on the house. Mom has to foreclose, but the government will buy her home and rent it back to her.” I shared an article from Fortune, but her response was “that’s Fortune’s take” and not consistent with what she has heard.

Seriously, the stupidity of some people. The hold that the right has on people that they’d believe something as absurd as this is nearly unbelievable.

I'm pretty sure I'd ask your person for a source that it's not only on stock gains for those over $100m.

It’s always hilarious to me that they ask for sources while not providing any sources for the garbage they’re spewing. I’ll show you mine if you show me yours, dipshit.

[fernweh]

Sept 3, 2024 9:21:52 GMT -5 TR said:

Sept 3, 2024 8:55:32 GMT -5 gretchenindisguise said:

I'm pretty sure I'd ask your person for a source that it's not only on stock gains for those over $100m.

It’s always hilarious to me that they ask for sources while not providing any sources for the garbage they’re spewing. I’ll show you mine if you show me yours, dipshit.

My favorite example of this was at the DNC when the dumbass my pillow guy was arguing about something with a literal child who was there as a corespondent. The kid kept asking him for sources and he just kept repeating bs. Eventually the kid was like “so your source is ‘trust me, bro’?”. If an 11/12 year old can understand the need for sources, so can your grown ass.

[gretchenindisguise]

Sept 3, 2024 9:34:07 GMT -5 fernweh said:

Sept 3, 2024 9:21:52 GMT -5 TR said:

It’s always hilarious to me that they ask for sources while not providing any sources for the garbage they’re spewing. I’ll show you mine if you show me yours, dipshit.

My favorite example of this was at the DNC when the dumbass my pillow guy was arguing about something with a literal child who was there as a corespondent. The kid kept asking him for sources and he just kept repeating bs. Eventually the kid was like “so your source is ‘trust me, bro’?”. If an 11/12 year old can understand the need for sources, so can your grown ass.

Yes! That was amazing.

[lilac05]

Sept 3, 2024 9:21:52 GMT -5 TR said:

Sept 3, 2024 8:55:32 GMT -5 gretchenindisguise said:

I'm pretty sure I'd ask your person for a source that it's not only on stock gains for those over $100m.

It’s always hilarious to me that they ask for sources while not providing any sources for the garbage they’re spewing. I’ll show you mine if you show me yours, dipshit.

As predicted, her response was basically, “I don’t believe in fact checking. One time, “fact checking” told me something I know 100% to be true was not true. So now I just believe Trump and ‘my very reliable sources.’”

Noted. Hide for 30 days.

[fernweh]

Sept 3, 2024 12:17:56 GMT -5 lilac05 said:

Sept 3, 2024 9:21:52 GMT -5 TR said:

It’s always hilarious to me that they ask for sources while not providing any sources for the garbage they’re spewing. I’ll show you mine if you show me yours, dipshit.

As predicted, her response was basically, “I don’t believe in fact checking. One time, “fact checking” told me something I know 100% to be true was not true. So now I just believe Trump and ‘my very reliable sources.’”

Noted. Hide for 30 days.

I don’t believe in fact checking because it tells me the truth. lol, very logical. Very similar to Trump’s logic in 2020 of if we don’t administer Covid tests, then Covid cases will remain low.

[fernweh]

John McCain’s son has changed his voter registration to Democrat and plans to vote for Kamala

www.cnn.com/2024/09/03/politics/jimmy-mccain-decries-trump-arlington-appearance/index.html

[pugz]

I need a little vent sesh. There is a big Kansans for Kamala group. They are all about getting yard signs, sponsoring billboards, wearing their shirts on Saturdays and putting blue painters tape on their car to indicate they are Kamala stans.

I cannot deal with it because despite their fandom, Kamala CANNOT WIN in a solidly red state like Kansas.

I wish they'd focus their energy on the very important down ballot races. That is how they can actual make changes in this state.

I may have ranted about this before. Every time I think of the group I get a lil ragey.

I hope some of them are at least new voters.

[basilosaurus]

Sept 3, 2024 22:32:11 GMT -5 pugz said:

I need a little vent sesh. There is a big Kansans for Kamala group. They are all about getting yard signs, sponsoring billboards, wearing their shirts on Saturdays and putting blue painters tape on their car to indicate they are Kamala stans.

I cannot deal with it because despite their fandom, Kamala CANNOT WIN in a solidly red state like Kansas.

I wish they'd focus their energy on the very important down ballot races. That is how they can actual make changes in this state.

I may have ranted about this before. Every time I think of the group I get a lil ragey.

I hope some of them are at least new voters.

Excitement about her may get them to polls when otherwise they may think what's the point in bloodred KS. And if they're there, they might go just ahead and vote down ballot. Don't despair! You have a d governor (too bad she's term limited) and voted to affirm right to abortion. It's possible they vote for president only or, worse, vote harris and locally elect conservative assholes, but at least getting to the polls for Harris can't be worse than them just staying home.

[lilac05]

Sept 3, 2024 22:32:11 GMT -5 pugz said:

I need a little vent sesh. There is a big Kansans for Kamala group. They are all about getting yard signs, sponsoring billboards, wearing their shirts on Saturdays and putting blue painters tape on their car to indicate they are Kamala stans.

I cannot deal with it because despite their fandom, Kamala CANNOT WIN in a solidly red state like Kansas.

I wish they'd focus their energy on the very important down ballot races. That is how they can actual make changes in this state.

I may have ranted about this before. Every time I think of the group I get a lil ragey.

I hope some of them are at least new voters.

At the risk of getting told I’m delusional (like when I said long ago Kamala had a chance if Biden would step down), I don’t think ANY state is out of play this year. Trump won by the smallest margin in the state’s recent history in 2020. Granted, it was still 56-41, but considering it’s likely a lot of especially younger voters who may not care about down ballot races just stayed home in 2020 in red states. They figured it was pointless and their vote didn’t matter in a state that is ALWAYS red. We can’t lead people to believe that. EVERY vote matters. And Kamala is the bright shiny candidate that will hopefully get people to the polls and vote straight D.

IMO, ANY effort to encourage people to get out and vote in ANY state is valuable.