Kamala's campaign

[picksthemusic]

Oct 7, 2024 16:34:01 GMT -5 EvieEthelGarland said:

Oct 7, 2024 14:57:25 GMT -5 TR said:

This is more generally campaign related, but I've seen a surprising number of Trump ads here in Dallas. Like. What? Could they actually be worried about Texas?

I saw a few this weekend in Seattle.  What a waste of money. 

That usually happens with satellite or Hulu Live with commercials IME. But totally agree, a waste of money IMO. But I also feel like I've seen way more trucks with thin blue line stickers and Don't Tread On Me flags... so. 

[InBetweenDays]

Oct 9, 2024 11:22:44 GMT -5 picksthemusic said:

Oct 7, 2024 16:34:01 GMT -5 EvieEthelGarland said:

I saw a few this weekend in Seattle.  What a waste of money. 

That usually happens with satellite or Hulu Live with commercials IME. But totally agree, a waste of money IMO. But I also feel like I've seen way more trucks with thin blue line stickers and Don't Tread On Me flags... so. 

Yeah, I saw a few during the UW/Michigan game and I was guessing it was meant to target the Michigan voters.

[Poeticxpassion]

Don’t forget to watch the late show video! It aired last night. It was so good!

[cville]

I know not to panic about polls. But I'm panicking about the MI and WI polls Quinnipiak released today showing 45 ahead in both states.

I get that it's just one poll. But omg.

[sequins]

Oct 9, 2024 16:29:36 GMT -5 cville said:

I know not to panic about polls. But I'm panicking about the MI and WI polls Quinnipiak released today showing 45 ahead in both states.

I get that it's just one poll. But omg.

I'm going to attribute this poll result to unmeasured confounding and KOKO. She is doing everything. She has been non-stop and has tried to cover every segment of the population. Nothing more she can do.

[ellipses84]

Oct 9, 2024 18:30:46 GMT -5 sequins said:

Oct 9, 2024 16:29:36 GMT -5 cville said:

I know not to panic about polls. But I'm panicking about the MI and WI polls Quinnipiak released today showing 45 ahead in both states.

I get that it's just one poll. But omg.

I'm going to attribute this poll result to unmeasured confounding and KOKO. She is doing everything. She has been non-stop and has tried to cover every segment of the population. Nothing more she can do.

I’m trying not to panic about polls either. Someone pointed out to me that Democrats ground game is so much stronger now than in 2020. Due to Covid there was almost no Dem door knocking, while Republican Covid deniers were door knocking a lot back then. Now thanks to all the Kamala mobilization groups we are seeing door knocking campaigns like never before. Canadians are traveling to Michigan to volunteer for the U.S. election! People are going from NYC to PA and CA to AZ on weekends. 🐔 💩 🍊’s campaign has almost no ground campaign, he’s relying on superpacs to do it for him and they don’t have a good track record of success, especially with door knocking.

I don’t underestimate racism and misogyny but I’m keeping the faith in the changing demographics. If the rest of us come together and we have high voter turnout, we will win. With the recent storms, I’ve heard more talk about climate change. It’s a top issue for young voters and a major reason they won’t vote red. Republicans voting against FEMA funding right before the storm and the Speaker of the House refusing to do anything more until after the election does not bode well for them.

[fryjack2]

Oct 9, 2024 16:29:36 GMT -5 cville said:

I know not to panic about polls. But I'm panicking about the MI and WI polls Quinnipiak released today showing 45 ahead in both states.

I get that it's just one poll. But omg.

My mom is a 70 year old white lady from a small town in West Michigan, who married a Palestinian and lived abroad with him who has always voted democratic.  Her family members are wealthy/well off white people living in conservative West Michigan who have (pre Trump) always voted Republican. 

None of them are voting for Harris or Trump. 

If the US and Harris weren't supporting the war in the Middle East, they, even the R family members, would be voting for Harris. 

The people who would vote for Trump will vote for him no matter what. 

It's the MI people who are democrats who do not support the genocidal fuckery Netanyahu is hell bend on continuing and we are backing, who don't know how to vote who are going to impact this election. 

I live in a state where my vote (If I even vote, it will not be for Harris or Trump) won't matter, but their's will. 

Maybe Harris should stop supporting blindly arming Israel.  And maybe mention Palestinians and their rights every once in a while in the same passionate way she mentions Oct. 7th and Israel and maybe demand a 2 state solution and actually do the work and hold Israel accountable ( hello illegal settlements we ignore but continuously blame Palestinians for the violence) to make that a reality. 

[anonymous]

Oct 10, 2024 8:09:32 GMT -5 fryjack2 said:

Oct 9, 2024 16:29:36 GMT -5 cville said:

I know not to panic about polls. But I'm panicking about the MI and WI polls Quinnipiak released today showing 45 ahead in both states.

I get that it's just one poll. But omg.

My mom is a 70 year old white lady from a small town in West Michigan, who married a Palestinian and lived abroad with him who has always voted democratic.  Her family members are wealthy/well off white people living in conservative West Michigan who have (pre Trump) always voted Republican. 

None of them are voting for Harris or Trump. 

If the US and Harris weren't supporting the war in the Middle East, they, even the R family members, would be voting for Harris. 

The people who would vote for Trump will vote for him no matter what. 

It's the MI people who are democrats who do not support the genocidal fuckery Netanyahu is hell bend on continuing and we are backing, who don't know how to vote who are going to impact this election. 

I live in a state where my vote (If I even vote, it will not be for Harris or Trump) won't matter, but their's will. 

Maybe Harris should stop supporting blindly arming Israel.  And maybe mention Palestinians and their rights every once in a while in the same passionate way she mentions Oct. 7th and Israel and maybe demand a 2 state solution and actually do the work and hold Israel accountable ( hello illegal settlements we ignore but continuously blame Palestinians for the violence) to make that a reality. 

I fear this is short sighted. Palestinians will not be better off under Trump and I think could be worse off.

[fryjack2]

Oct 10, 2024 9:19:07 GMT -5 anonymous said:

Oct 10, 2024 8:09:32 GMT -5 fryjack2 said:

My mom is a 70 year old white lady from a small town in West Michigan, who married a Palestinian and lived abroad with him who has always voted democratic.  Her family members are wealthy/well off white people living in conservative West Michigan who have (pre Trump) always voted Republican. 

None of them are voting for Harris or Trump. 

If the US and Harris weren't supporting the war in the Middle East, they, even the R family members, would be voting for Harris. 

The people who would vote for Trump will vote for him no matter what. 

It's the MI people who are democrats who do not support the genocidal fuckery Netanyahu is hell bend on continuing and we are backing, who don't know how to vote who are going to impact this election. 

I live in a state where my vote (If I even vote, it will not be for Harris or Trump) won't matter, but their's will. 

Maybe Harris should stop supporting blindly arming Israel.  And maybe mention Palestinians and their rights every once in a while in the same passionate way she mentions Oct. 7th and Israel and maybe demand a 2 state solution and actually do the work and hold Israel accountable ( hello illegal settlements we ignore but continuously blame Palestinians for the violence) to make that a reality. 

I fear this is short sighted. Palestinians will not be better off under Trump and I think could be worse off.

They aren't voting for Trump.  They sure as shit aren't better off under Harris, though. 

It's not short sighted to not vote for her when its your family and people being killed.  Would I love to vote for Harris to ensure women's rights, services remain in place for those who need them, and science is taken seriously?  Yes.  Can I in good conscious vote for her when she continues to be a hypocrite and arms and funds insane men and their asinine criminal activity? No. 

For many people, this isn't like it was when it was a vote for Hillary or Trump. There is no lesser of two evils option here. 

[anonymous]

Oct 10, 2024 9:28:25 GMT -5 fryjack2 said:

Oct 10, 2024 9:19:07 GMT -5 anonymous said:

I fear this is short sighted. Palestinians will not be better off under Trump and I think could be worse off.

They aren't voting for Trump.  They sure as shit aren't better off under Harris, though. 

It's not short sighted to not vote for her when its your family and people being killed.  Would I love to vote for Harris to ensure women's rights, services remain in place for those who need them, and science is taken seriously?  Yes.  Can I in good conscience vote for her when she continues to be a hypocrite and arms and funds insane men and their asinine criminal activity? No. 

For many people, this isn't like it was when it was a vote for Hillary or Trump. There is no lesser of two evils option here. 

I guess I don’t agree that Kamala should bear the load for 70 years of American policy as it relates to Israel. Also, I’m not sure what she as a VP can really be blamed for with this. Maybe it is her, but for the sake of where the country will go under Trump, I’m giving her the benefit of the doubt. I realize we won’t share the same opinion-just wanted to explain mine.

[underwaterrhymes]

I hate our country’s approach to our relationship with Israel. We have never had a leader who pushed back on its crimes and I think that’s disgusting. The genocide is abhorrent and I understand why someone with family in Palestine might not vote for either candidate.

However.

A non-vote for President IS ABSOLUTELY a vote for Trump and as much as I hate Netanyahu and how we have handled the genocide, I am not willing to lose even more rights and potentially our democracy under a second Trump presidency. Things WILL get exponentially worse for Palestine if he wins, as well. Already women are dying here because of his first presidency and we came within inches of prominent Democratic leaders being slaughtered on January 6. So many more people died of COVID than needed to because of him and our economy was in shambles.

We cannot afford another Trump presidency - not domestically and not internationally.

I’m not trying to sway your perspective on this since I understand your grief and fury. But I hope like hell that enough people recognize how deeply fucked we all are if Trump wins. This will be so much worse than the last time if he does.

[stuffandthings]

Oct 10, 2024 8:09:32 GMT -5 fryjack2 said:

Oct 9, 2024 16:29:36 GMT -5 cville said:

I know not to panic about polls. But I'm panicking about the MI and WI polls Quinnipiak released today showing 45 ahead in both states.

I get that it's just one poll. But omg.

My mom is a 70 year old white lady from a small town in West Michigan, who married a Palestinian and lived abroad with him who has always voted democratic.  Her family members are wealthy/well off white people living in conservative West Michigan who have (pre Trump) always voted Republican. 

None of them are voting for Harris or Trump. 

If the US and Harris weren't supporting the war in the Middle East, they, even the R family members, would be voting for Harris. 

The people who would vote for Trump will vote for him no matter what. 

It's the MI people who are democrats who do not support the genocidal fuckery Netanyahu is hell bend on continuing and we are backing, who don't know how to vote who are going to impact this election. 

I live in a state where my vote (If I even vote, it will not be for Harris or Trump) won't matter, but their's will. 

Maybe Harris should stop supporting blindly arming Israel.  And maybe mention Palestinians and their rights every once in a while in the same passionate way she mentions Oct. 7th and Israel and maybe demand a 2 state solution and actually do the work and hold Israel accountable ( hello illegal settlements we ignore but continuously blame Palestinians for the violence) to make that a reality. 

I totally respect that. That's honestly sort of how I felt about Obama in 2008.

Your situation is not the same situation as mine at all, and I'm not trying to draw some false equivalence here. But I can sympathize with what it feels like when the one thing you care the most about, the thing that most affects your life and the lives of your family, is the thing both candidates are ignoring, or worse, rejecting openly.

In 2008 my top issue was gay rights, specifically gay marriage. My baby sister is gay. My BFF was pansexual (I use the past tense because they died unexpectedly last year). A good friend of mine was expelled from the Army via DADT. Watching my sister in tears because she wasn't allowed to get married was hard. I desperately wanted a candidate who would vow to get rid of DOMA and DADT, and Barack Obama stated multiple times in 2008 that marriage was between one man and one woman, and that gay marriage was against his religious beliefs.

In the end, I did vote for Obama, but I confess that I thought about it a lot and went back and forth a little. My eventual rationale was that in a winner-take-all electoral system like we have in the US, one of the two major party candidates is going to win. I don't have the power to change that. I *do* have the power to nudge one closer to the finish line than the other. Both candidates' positions were horrible on the issue closest to my heart. But one candidate was better on other issues, issues that caused harm to other people, and so voting for him was harm reduction.

I didn't ever regret that vote, but that's mostly because Obama "evolved" on gay marriage and eventually came to support it. But I agree that it can be so, so, so hard to make a choice in a two-party system when both parties are openly jettisoning or ignoring the people you love. I'm so sorry that's happening to you and your family right now. <3

[fryjack2]

anonymous and underwaterrhymes, I know. It's not like this started or will end with Kamala so it is unfair to put it all on her. I know I'm being irrational. My vote this election is something I am struggling with a lot. Does this one issues matter enough to me to not vote for all the other issues? Months ago, I would have said no and would have voted for her. Now, I don't know. Something about the unapologetic support and the lack of action to stop what's happening is a big deal to me personally.

I am not in a state where my vote will matter. And even with the large Arab population in MI, I don't think what's going on in the Middle East is the only reason why people are undecided. I don't think we would see a race this close if it was a man ( not Biden) running against Trump.

[fryjack2]

FWIW, I am trying really hard to think like the person I was a year ago and think of what I can do that will do the most good for the most people. It's just exponentially harder when doing that also perpetuates the death sentence and horrific existence your family and friends are living.

[ellipses84]

I understand the dilemma and my probably naive optimistic take on it is we should still vote for the most reasonable candidate who is going to protect democracy (and all the other things that get us to the bus stop closest to our goals) and after they win, all of America should put pressure on them to make the changes that need to happen in the Middle East. I can see Harris diverging a lot from Biden and past Dem presidents with her own policies, so I do think there’s hope she will do the right thing.

[laladypoet]

Oct 10, 2024 9:38:36 GMT -5 anonymous said:

Oct 10, 2024 9:28:25 GMT -5 fryjack2 said:

They aren't voting for Trump.  They sure as shit aren't better off under Harris, though. 

It's not short sighted to not vote for her when its your family and people being killed.  Would I love to vote for Harris to ensure women's rights, services remain in place for those who need them, and science is taken seriously?  Yes.  Can I in good conscience vote for her when she continues to be a hypocrite and arms and funds insane men and their asinine criminal activity? No. 

For many people, this isn't like it was when it was a vote for Hillary or Trump. There is no lesser of two evils option here. 

I guess I don’t agree that Kamala should bear the load for 70 years of American policy as it relates to Israel. Also, I’m not sure what she as a VP can really be blamed for with this. Maybe it is her, but for the sake of where the country will go under Trump, I’m giving her the benefit of the doubt. I realize we won’t share the same opinion-just wanted to explain mine.

she has come out and said she will continue to support Israel and keep the status quo. I don't blame people for not wanting to vote for someone who is killing their family. or will continue to aid Israel is doing so. and no, of course voting for T wouldn't be any better. but not voting is sometimes the only way a person has of protesting.

[anonymous]

Oct 10, 2024 10:42:46 GMT -5 fryjack2 said:

FWIW, I am trying really hard to think like the person I was a year ago and think of what I can do that will do the most good for the most people. It's just exponentially harder when doing that also perpetuates the death sentence and horrific existence your family and friends are living.

I completely get this. And I’m so truly sorry for what your family and friends are experiencing.

I think a lot of US foreign policy has been shit for decades in many places around the world.

[anonymous]

Oct 10, 2024 10:44:48 GMT -5 ellipses84 said:

I understand the dilemma and my probably naive optimistic take on it is we should still vote for the most reasonable candidate who is going to protect democracy (and all the other things that get us to the bus stop closest to our goals) and after they win, all of America should put pressure on them to make the changes that need to happen in the Middle East. I can see Harris diverging a lot from Biden and past Dem presidents with her own policies, so I do think there’s hope she will do the right thing.

I think we very well might see this. I know from experience that someone in a role like hers can only influence so much.

[sonrisa]

fryjack2 I am so sorry for your pain and loss through these terrible times. I can understand why you feel betrayed and are opting out.

Personally, I fear Trump will escalate US involvement in both major conflicts with a goal towards complete submission of Ukraine and full genocide and elimination of both Gaza and the West Bank. It is one of my many fears for the next four years. 

[ellipses84]

Walz live streamed a Rally on a World of Warcraft Twitch Stream with a popular Gamer / Streamer (if that sounds like a foreign language to you, you are not the only one). Basically it’s a campaign strategy to reach young, male voters where they are and so they were gaming side by side while watching the rally. Walz was speaking their language a little bit in the speech with some key phrases and I don’t think a Presidential campaign has ever done that before.

You can watch or listen to the full Harris / Stern interview on YouTube on Stern’s channel.

All the podcasts like Call Her Daddy and All the Smoke can be watched via whatever podcast app you use (on my iphone it’s the generic podcast app).

I still need to watch the Late Show and The View.

[laladypoet]

is howard stern still awful?

[Vespasia]

Oct 10, 2024 12:52:10 GMT -5 ellipses84 said:

Walz live streamed a Rally on a World of Warcraft Twitch Stream with a popular Gamer / Streamer (if that sounds like a foreign language to you, you are not the only one). Basically it’s a campaign strategy to reach young, male voters where they are and so they were gaming side by side while watching the rally. Walz was speaking their language a little bit in the speech with some key phrases and I don’t think a Presidential campaign has ever done that before.

Damn, I didn't know WoW was still this relevant! Not bad for a game turning 20 next month. 

We won't talk about how long I have played. 

[lilac05]

Oct 10, 2024 11:57:40 GMT -5 sonrisa said:

fryjack2 I am so sorry for your pain and loss through these terrible times. I can understand why you feel betrayed and are opting out.

Personally, I fear Trump will escalate US involvement in both major conflicts with a goal towards complete submission of Ukraine and full genocide and elimination of both Gaza and the West Bank. It is one of my many fears for the next four years. 

This is where I fall. I don’t think Kamala will have the magic touch that will suddenly makes everything better. (Though I do think she will do a better job than Biden), but I am 100% certain that Trump would make things even worse…everywhere and for everyone. I have to do whatever I can to keep him from being in office again.

[fernweh]

Oct 10, 2024 13:41:08 GMT -5 laladypoet said:

is howard stern still awful?

I haven’t listened to him but it’s my understanding that he has changed (at least his show) significantly.

[anonymous]

Oct 10, 2024 13:41:08 GMT -5 laladypoet said:

is howard stern still awful?

No

[mcsangel2]

Oct 10, 2024 13:41:08 GMT -5 laladypoet said:

is howard stern still awful?

He mostly stopped being awful when he moved to satellite radio 19 years ago.

[laladypoet]

welp I'm old and in the way

[mcsangel2]

Oct 10, 2024 16:30:44 GMT -5 laladypoet said:

welp I'm old and in the way

Also, Stern is now 70 years old and has two grandkids (which I didn't know until I listened to the interview).

[pixy0stix]

I read a long time ago that if you are not inclined towards one candidate or the other, that you should vote for the candidate that you have the most hope that you can convince to see your side of the issue.

There is no changing Trump. He is, after all, the president that issued *several* executive orders banning travel from Muslim countries as his first acts of office. Project 2025 will cut humanitarian aid to Gaza and the West Bank. Trump himself has said he will authorize use of force against Palestinian protesters.

I have anarchist friends that every once in a while post that voting for Harris is still voting for genocide. I really wonder if they, much like the group of people who say they felt safer with Trump, paid attention to *everything* that Trump tried to do during his presidency. Much of which was blocked immediately by the courts. I also wonder if they have paid attention to the court system, because unlike before the courts lean heavily towards letting Trump run with his vision.

All that aside, your vote is your vote. Do with it what you will.

ETA: In case anyone needs a refresher course, this is what Trump did to Human and Civil rights: civilrights.org/trump-rollbacks/

I'm sure I could dig more and find all the environmental, etc. shit he passed.

[fryjack2]

Oct 10, 2024 16:53:34 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

I read a long time ago that if you are not inclined towards one candidate or the other, that you should vote for the candidate that you have the most hope that you can convince to see your side of the issue.

There is no changing Trump. He is, after all, the president that issued *several* executive orders banning travel from Muslim countries as his first acts of office. Project 2025 will cut humanitarian aid to Gaza and the West Bank. Trump himself has said he will authorize use of force against Palestinian protesters.

I have anarchist friends that every once in a while post that voting for Harris is still voting for genocide. I really wonder if they, much like the group of people who say they felt safer with Trump, paid attention to *everything* that Trump tried to do during his presidency. Much of which was blocked immediately by the courts. I also wonder if they have paid attention to the court system, because unlike before the courts lean heavily towards letting Trump run with his vision.

All that aside, your vote is your vote. Do with it what you will.

ETA: In case anyone needs a refresher course, this is what Trump did to Human and Civil rights: civilrights.org/trump-rollbacks/

I'm sure I could dig more and find all the environmental, etc. shit he passed.

Thank you for this.  I worry though that because she is married to a Jewish man, and has been so vocal about her determination to not change or back down on the US stance, that nothing will convince the WH to change anything when it comes to Israel. I know that diplomacy is a lot more nuanced than any regular person knows.  Maybe once she gets elected, or the Middle East erupts in a bigger war no one wants, she will change her tune? 

I know that I will most likely end up casting a vote for Harris, but I will feel so torn in doing so because of that one issue that's so important to me.