Kamala's campaign

[formerlyak]

Jul 27, 2024 13:41:03 GMT -5 Bad Dingo said:

Jul 27, 2024 9:42:17 GMT -5 formerlyak said:

You and me both. DS and his friends have all registered and know how to vote absentee while away at college. Hoping more young voters have a plan.

Or they can register to vote where they go to college if that would make more of an impact.

There was just a discussion about this on the Pantsuit Nation Facebook. This depends on the state. In some states you have to establish residency or change your permanent address to vote there and that can have major financial consequences for the student (loss of certain grants and awards) and the parents (loss of dependent status for taxes).

[sonrisa]

Jul 27, 2024 16:10:07 GMT -5 formerlyak said:

Jul 27, 2024 13:41:03 GMT -5 Bad Dingo said:

Or they can register to vote where they go to college if that would make more of an impact.

There was just a discussion about this on the Pantsuit Nation Facebook. This depends on the state. In some states you have to establish residency or change your permanent address to vote there and that can have major financial consequences for the student (loss of certain grants and awards) and the parents (loss of dependent status for taxes).

And vice versa. (they may need to establish residency and prove intent to stay to qualify for in state tuition in the future). 

[formerlyak]

Jul 27, 2024 16:17:53 GMT -5 sonrisa said:

Jul 27, 2024 16:10:07 GMT -5 formerlyak said:

There was just a discussion about this on the Pantsuit Nation Facebook. This depends on the state. In some states you have to establish residency or change your permanent address to vote there and that can have major financial consequences for the student (loss of certain grants and awards) and the parents (loss of dependent status for taxes).

And vice versa. (they may need to establish residency and prove intent to stay to qualify for in state tuition in the future). 

Yes. And with the parent claiming them it’s more complicated, and considers the child’s income.

All that to say make sure it’s the right thing for the family and the student before switching.

My kid is going to school in my state, so it doesn’t matter much.

[basilosaurus]

Jul 27, 2024 16:10:07 GMT -5 formerlyak said:

Jul 27, 2024 13:41:03 GMT -5 Bad Dingo said:

Or they can register to vote where they go to college if that would make more of an impact.

There was just a discussion about this on the Pantsuit Nation Facebook. This depends on the state. In some states you have to establish residency or change your permanent address to vote there and that can have major financial consequences for the student (loss of certain grants and awards) and the parents (loss of dependent status for taxes).

Yes. States were weird about this back when I was in college, and I'm sure it's worse now.

I had a local drivers license, locally registered and plated car, local address and local utility bills. In all my states as an adult, I only needed one of those things to be considered a resident. But, if you're a college student, none of them were good enough. I had to request an absentee ballot which, that was FL in 2000, was likely never counted.

I've been licensed in 5 states, registered in 4. In most, it took handing in one licensing and exchanging it for another. Registration was done at the same time. In one I had to show a birth certificate or passport. To get a fucking license when I had a current one which should be id enough! In another I had to retake a written test like I did for my permit at 15. And that test was wrong (I flipped through the book ahead so knew to answer the way they wanted). No, you do not steer away from a slide on ice!

[livinitup]

Jul 27, 2024 21:54:30 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

Jul 27, 2024 16:10:07 GMT -5 formerlyak said:

There was just a discussion about this on the Pantsuit Nation Facebook. This depends on the state. In some states you have to establish residency or change your permanent address to vote there and that can have major financial consequences for the student (loss of certain grants and awards) and the parents (loss of dependent status for taxes).

Yes. States were weird about this back when I was in college, and I'm sure it's worse now.

I had a local drivers license, locally registered and plated car, local address and local utility bills. In all my states as an adult, I only needed one of those things to be considered a resident. But, if you're a college student, none of them were good enough. I had to request an absentee ballot which, that was FL in 2000, was likely never counted.

I've been licensed in 5 states, registered in 4. In most, it took handing in one licensing and exchanging it for another. Registration was done at the same time. In one I had to show a birth certificate or passport. To get a fucking license when I had a current one which should be id enough! In another I had to retake a written test like I did for my permit at 15. And that test was wrong (I flipped through the book ahead so knew to answer the way they wanted). No, you do not steer away from a slide on ice!

A Florida absentee ballot in 2000 was likely never counted- Do you mean for the recount? I can’t think of a more crucial state ballot in a more crucial election year than Florida in 2000.

I hear people say absentee ballots are not “counted” when the in person totals are so far ahead for one candidate that the total # of absentee votes could not change the outcome. But Florida 2000 counted every ballot that year, no? Wasn’t the total for Bush 500ish votes when SCOTU stopped the recount?

[basilosaurus]

Jul 28, 2024 21:23:44 GMT -5 livinitup said:

Jul 27, 2024 21:54:30 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

Yes. States were weird about this back when I was in college, and I'm sure it's worse now.

I had a local drivers license, locally registered and plated car, local address and local utility bills. In all my states as an adult, I only needed one of those things to be considered a resident. But, if you're a college student, none of them were good enough. I had to request an absentee ballot which, that was FL in 2000, was likely never counted.

I've been licensed in 5 states, registered in 4. In most, it took handing in one licensing and exchanging it for another. Registration was done at the same time. In one I had to show a birth certificate or passport. To get a fucking license when I had a current one which should be id enough! In another I had to retake a written test like I did for my permit at 15. And that test was wrong (I flipped through the book ahead so knew to answer the way they wanted). No, you do not steer away from a slide on ice!

A Florida absentee ballot in 2000 was likely never counted- Do you mean for the recount? I can’t think of a more crucial state ballot in a more crucial election year than Florida in 2000.

I hear people say absentee ballots are not “counted” when the in person totals are so far ahead for one candidate that the total # of absentee votes could not change the outcome. But Florida 2000 counted every ballot that year, no? Wasn’t the total for Bush 500ish votes when SCOTU stopped the recount?

They were supposed to count all but were stopped in the recount by scotus before they did so. Yes, I understand absentee ballots are often not counted unless it's close. I've been a voter in 100% mail in since 2007, so I'm guessing regardless where I am in the world it does get counted. 

[neverfstop]

nymag.com/press/article/on-the-cover-of-new-york-welcome-to-kamalot.html




“Since we sent our last issue to the printer, Donald Trump survived an assassination attempt, J.D. Vance joined his ticket, the Republicans crowed all week in Milwaukee about their impending victory, Joe Biden got COVID, his closest Democratic peers forced him out of the race, and Kamala Harris — with astonishing speed — wrapped up the race to succeed him,” says editor-in-chief David Haskell. “We made an issue that grapples with all of it, plus peeks at what could be the biggest financial-political scandal of Trump’s second term, plus sends the Look Book to the nude beach at Sandy Hook, plus a lot more (including an exceedingly long, relatively low-stakes, literary-world beach read for the ages).”

Rebecca Traister reflects on the thrill of taking a risk on Kamala Harris as the Democratic nominee, and Simon van Zuylen-Wood warns against Democrats underestimating the potential appeal of J.D. Vance and his populist message. Gabriel Debenedetti takes readers inside the Harris takeover of a losing campaign full of Biden loyalists and reports on her plan to turn it around, and Kerry Howley writes on the experience of watching Joe Biden say good-bye to a second term via his televised address to the nation. David Freedlander investigates Donald Trump’s media company: its questionable founding, the criminal fraud of its investors, and the way an enormously unprofitable and fundamentally unserious company has also become a $6 billion meme stock tracking his campaign. There’s never been anything in politics or finance like it — and we’re totally unprepared for how Trump might abuse the dynamic if reelected.

^ETA Links to all the above mentioned articles in the link at top

[neverfstop]

Sorry - I've never been a bernie fan....

thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4795884-sanders-wants-more-commitments-harris/

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in a Friday interview with MSNBC’s Ali Velshi explained why he has yet to endorse Vice President Kamala Harris for president, suggesting he wants first to see more specific commitments from her on issues important to the working class.

The Hill reported this week that Sanders is looking to shape Harris’s campaign, and that he had held off on an endorsement in part to exert some pressure on the vice president to adopt some of his priorities.

[pixy0stix]

Jul 29, 2024 10:33:41 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

Sorry - I've never been a bernie fan....

thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4795884-sanders-wants-more-commitments-harris/

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in a Friday interview with MSNBC’s Ali Velshi explained why he has yet to endorse Vice President Kamala Harris for president, suggesting he wants first to see more specific commitments from her on issues important to the working class.

The Hill reported this week that Sanders is looking to shape Harris’s campaign, and that he had held off on an endorsement in part to exert some pressure on the vice president to adopt some of his priorities.

Ineffectual in the entire time he's been in office other than screwing up the democrats. He needs to retire.

[wanderingback]

Jul 29, 2024 10:33:41 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

Sorry - I've never been a bernie fan....

thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4795884-sanders-wants-more-commitments-harris/

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in a Friday interview with MSNBC’s Ali Velshi explained why he has yet to endorse Vice President Kamala Harris for president, suggesting he wants first to see more specific commitments from her on issues important to the working class.

The Hill reported this week that Sanders is looking to shape Harris’s campaign, and that he had held off on an endorsement in part to exert some pressure on the vice president to adopt some of his priorities.

I’m not necessarily a fan of Bernie, but this is 100% what people/movements should do to get their candidates to work for endorsements that represent the people. No one deserves to be automatically endorsed and you can get further support if you listen and adopt some ideas. I read something that said Hillary Clinton didn’t have student loan forgiveness high on her priority list until groups started pressuring her (someone can fact check this, I didn’t do it myself). I know there are groups that are pressing for Kamala to take a clear and direct stance on the genocide in Gaza for example before they’ll endorse her. This is how democracy should work.

[cville]

I'm waffling between enthusiasm about the momentum change and potential and despair that no matter what this will be close which means about half the country is fucking insane and wants an antidemocratic dictator for a leader.

I want the polls to be better. Even though I don't trust them. Ha.

[cville]

Jul 29, 2024 10:38:59 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

Jul 29, 2024 10:33:41 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

Sorry - I've never been a bernie fan....

thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4795884-sanders-wants-more-commitments-harris/

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in a Friday interview with MSNBC’s Ali Velshi explained why he has yet to endorse Vice President Kamala Harris for president, suggesting he wants first to see more specific commitments from her on issues important to the working class.

The Hill reported this week that Sanders is looking to shape Harris’s campaign, and that he had held off on an endorsement in part to exert some pressure on the vice president to adopt some of his priorities.

I’m not necessarily a fan of Bernie, but this is 100% what people/movements should do to get their candidates to work for endorsements that represent the people. No one deserves to be automatically endorsed and you can get further support if you listen and adopt some ideas. I read something that said Hillary Clinton didn’t have student loan forgiveness high on her priority list until groups started pressuring her (someone can fact check this, I didn’t do it myself). I know there are groups that are pressing for Kamala to take a clear and direct stance on the genocide in Gaza for example before they’ll endorse her. This is how democracy should work.

Ugh. You're making me temper my hatred of Bernie with appreciation for the democratic process. How dare you! I just want to give Bernie the double bird and shout shut up in his general direction, but it IS valid to exert pressure on leaders.

Goddamnit.

[picksthemusic]

Yeah, Ijeoma Oluo is being very vocal on her socials about holding Harris to a higher standard with regard to Gaza, and saying now is the time to let her know it's important to voters that she be strong in her stance against what is happening and to be forthcoming on what her plans are to help.

[pixy0stix]

Jul 29, 2024 10:38:59 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

Jul 29, 2024 10:33:41 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

Sorry - I've never been a bernie fan....

thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4795884-sanders-wants-more-commitments-harris/

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in a Friday interview with MSNBC’s Ali Velshi explained why he has yet to endorse Vice President Kamala Harris for president, suggesting he wants first to see more specific commitments from her on issues important to the working class.

The Hill reported this week that Sanders is looking to shape Harris’s campaign, and that he had held off on an endorsement in part to exert some pressure on the vice president to adopt some of his priorities.

I’m not necessarily a fan of Bernie, but this is 100% what people/movements should do to get their candidates to work for endorsements that represent the people. No one deserves to be automatically endorsed and you can get further support if you listen and adopt some ideas. I read something that said Hillary Clinton didn’t have student loan forgiveness high on her priority list until groups started pressuring her (someone can fact check this, I didn’t do it myself). I know there are groups that are pressing for Kamala to take a clear and direct stance on the genocide in Gaza for example before they’ll endorse her. This is how democracy should work.

Ok, but the student loan forgiveness stuff pisses me off. It was used as a litmus test for candidates for quite a while, and turns out it's not something the President can do (and was *never* something they could do).

That being said, at least Biden has pushed it as far as it could go.

A lot of Bernie's things are like that, which is why he's been largely ineffective in his role. What he wants can't be done by [pick your position]. If so, he would have done them all this time ago.

[pixy0stix]

Harris is still behind Trump in polls, but within margin of error and better than Biden polls - www.politico.com/news/2024/07/27/polling-kamala-harris-trump-00171514

[laladypoet]

Jul 29, 2024 10:38:59 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

Jul 29, 2024 10:33:41 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

Sorry - I've never been a bernie fan....

thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4795884-sanders-wants-more-commitments-harris/

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in a Friday interview with MSNBC’s Ali Velshi explained why he has yet to endorse Vice President Kamala Harris for president, suggesting he wants first to see more specific commitments from her on issues important to the working class.

The Hill reported this week that Sanders is looking to shape Harris’s campaign, and that he had held off on an endorsement in part to exert some pressure on the vice president to adopt some of his priorities.

I’m not necessarily a fan of Bernie, but this is 100% what people/movements should do to get their candidates to work for endorsements that represent the people. No one deserves to be automatically endorsed and you can get further support if you listen and adopt some ideas. I read something that said Hillary Clinton didn’t have student loan forgiveness high on her priority list until groups started pressuring her (someone can fact check this, I didn’t do it myself). I know there are groups that are pressing for Kamala to take a clear and direct stance on the genocide in Gaza for example before they’ll endorse her. This is how democracy should work.

agreed 100%.

I'd also like to see her take a harder line about Gaza as well. she still has my vote but it might go a long way with undecided leftists.

[wanderingback]

Jul 29, 2024 11:08:07 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Jul 29, 2024 10:38:59 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

I’m not necessarily a fan of Bernie, but this is 100% what people/movements should do to get their candidates to work for endorsements that represent the people. No one deserves to be automatically endorsed and you can get further support if you listen and adopt some ideas. I read something that said Hillary Clinton didn’t have student loan forgiveness high on her priority list until groups started pressuring her (someone can fact check this, I didn’t do it myself). I know there are groups that are pressing for Kamala to take a clear and direct stance on the genocide in Gaza for example before they’ll endorse her. This is how democracy should work.

Ok, but the student loan forgiveness stuff pisses me off. It was used as a litmus test for candidates for quite a while, and turns out it's not something the President can do (and was *never* something they could do).

That being said, at least Biden has pushed it as far as it could go.

A lot of Bernie's things are like that, which is why he's been largely ineffective in his role. What he wants can't be done by [pick your position]. If so, he would have done them all this time ago.

To clarify, I was not saying I agree with Bernie or think he’s been effective. I just used that post/article to make the point that it is ok to not automatically endorse someone and to take that time to hopefully get the candidate to understand your position. I agree that obviously Trump is worse, but that doesn’t mean people have to blindly support Harris without trying to get her to support causes that are important to a movement.

When people express not fully supporting Biden or Harris, a lot of the time the first response is "well what’s the alternative, Trump is worse.” What I’m saying that obviously Trump is worse, but it is ok to push candidates to move the needle and not just blindly support/endorse.

[pixy0stix]

Jul 29, 2024 11:35:53 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

Jul 29, 2024 11:08:07 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Ok, but the student loan forgiveness stuff pisses me off. It was used as a litmus test for candidates for quite a while, and turns out it's not something the President can do (and was *never* something they could do).

That being said, at least Biden has pushed it as far as it could go.

A lot of Bernie's things are like that, which is why he's been largely ineffective in his role. What he wants can't be done by [pick your position]. If so, he would have done them all this time ago.

To clarify, I was not saying I agree with Bernie or think he’s been effective. I just used that post/article to make the point that it is ok to not automatically endorse someone and to take that time to hopefully get the candidate to understand your position. I agree that obviously Trump is worse, but that doesn’t mean people have to blindly support Harris without trying to get her to support causes that are important to a movement.

When people express not fully supporting Biden or Harris, a lot of the time the first response is "well what’s the alternative, Trump is worse.” What I’m saying that obviously Trump is worse, but it is ok to push candidates to move the needle and not just blindly support/endorse.

Understood. I think at the root of it, I just wish everyone, including some reps in congress, would understand just what different roles in the government do, and the limits of each role.

[mrsd2006]

Did not see this coming:

www.yahoo.com/news/kamala-harris-rally-draws-hundreds-of-golf-carts-in-conservative-florida-community-the-villages-200715047.html

Kamala Harris rally draws hundreds of golf carts in conservative Florida community, the Villages

[basilosaurus]

Jul 29, 2024 12:13:25 GMT -5 mrsd2006 said:

Did not see this coming:

www.yahoo.com/news/kamala-harris-rally-draws-hundreds-of-golf-carts-in-conservative-florida-community-the-villages-200715047.html

Kamala Harris rally draws hundreds of golf carts in conservative Florida community, the Villages

Wow. That is definitely a surprise from the sti capital of America. (ok, not really, but they're known for it)

[neverfstop]

lolz....

[Deleted]

Jul 29, 2024 12:13:25 GMT -5 mrsd2006 said:

Did not see this coming:

www.yahoo.com/news/kamala-harris-rally-draws-hundreds-of-golf-carts-in-conservative-florida-community-the-villages-200715047.html

Kamala Harris rally draws hundreds of golf carts in conservative Florida community, the Villages

I have an uncle who lives in The Villages and has always been a Republican….but he’s also a Never Trumper. I don’t know if he voted for Biden (probably just didn’t make a selection on that part of the ballot), and I have no idea if he was at the Harris rally.

[karinothing]

Jul 29, 2024 19:16:00 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

lolz....



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[sequins]

Jul 29, 2024 10:47:16 GMT -5 cville said:

Jul 29, 2024 10:38:59 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

I’m not necessarily a fan of Bernie, but this is 100% what people/movements should do to get their candidates to work for endorsements that represent the people. No one deserves to be automatically endorsed and you can get further support if you listen and adopt some ideas. I read something that said Hillary Clinton didn’t have student loan forgiveness high on her priority list until groups started pressuring her (someone can fact check this, I didn’t do it myself). I know there are groups that are pressing for Kamala to take a clear and direct stance on the genocide in Gaza for example before they’ll endorse her. This is how democracy should work.

Ugh. You're making me temper my hatred of Bernie with appreciation for the democratic process. How dare you! I just want to give Bernie the double bird and shout shut up in his general direction, but it IS valid to exert pressure on leaders.

Goddamnit.

The way Bernie has positioned himself in this argument is as if he is the ONLY person in the democratic party that has listened to the working class. It's been a very effective way to signal that the dems as a whole are out of touch and elite while he is not. And that's just not true.

Let's break this down.
What has Kamala done in the past 3.5 years? (working class is vague, so let's look at unions)
Part of the Biden-Harris administration, the most pro-union admin so far.
Chair of the WH task force to boost union membership among other goals www.dol.gov/general/labortaskforce
In the few days since she has launched her campaign, she has - spoken at the teachers union convention, emphasized that building the middle class is central to her agenda, strongly supported unions in her stump speeches.

So, honest question for pixy0stix - what else can Kamala do in the next 100 days to be even more pro-union and earn Bernie's endorsement? (that she hasn't already done and is doing)

My recommendation is to put the pressure after she wins. Work with the administration on getting protections passed. If I was Bernie, I would throw all my energy into smaller campaigns so we can win the house and senate as well so we can actually get some significant progress. It's silly to hold out right now, 100 days from an election where the only other choice will decimate unions.

[laladypoet]

I love how the simple strategy of calling the MAGA crowd "weird" is making them spiral. I'm not sure if it'll come back to bite in the long run, because this is all so different, but for the time being I love it.

[underwaterrhymes]

I am sure the Biden and Harris administration is paying close attention to this and has a plan, but this is terrifying.

www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-swing-state-officials-election-deniers-1235069692/

[pixy0stix]

Jul 30, 2024 8:33:10 GMT -5 sequins said:

So, honest question for pixy0stix - what else can Kamala do in the next 100 days to be even more pro-union and earn Bernie's endorsement? (that she hasn't already done and is doing)

My recommendation is to put the pressure after she wins. Work with the administration on getting protections passed. If I was Bernie, I would throw all my energy into smaller campaigns so we can win the house and senate as well so we can actually get some significant progress. It's silly to hold out right now, 100 days from an election where the only other choice will decimate unions.

I don't know, especially since this was Bernie earlier this year - www.politico.com/news/2024/03/14/bernie-sanders-joe-biden-endorsement-00147127

Biden and Harris are virtually interchangeable when it comes to politics, other than she might be a touch more progressive. Bernie is pulling a political stunt with his refusal to endorse. There's not much reasoning with an old man who decides he wants more time in the limelight.

[pixy0stix]

Jul 30, 2024 8:46:10 GMT -5 laladypoet said:

I love how the simple strategy of calling the MAGA crowd "weird" is making them spiral. I'm not sure if it'll come back to bite in the long run, because this is all so different, but for the time being I love it.

I've been enjoying the "this is weird" social media posts, lol!

[laladypoet]

here's a fun article about it
www.salon.com/2024/07/29/old-and-quite-weird-democrats-finally-discover-new-effective--and-hate-it/

[Scout'sHonor]

Completely anecdotal, but I was at a goodbye party for one of my knitting friends on Sunday. Ended up sitting next to the husbands and listened to three late GenX/early boomer white dudes talk about how excited they were for Kamala. So that's a bit reassuring.