Post by earlgreyhot on May 24, 2012 10:09:25 GMT -5
Cute hair, Stupid rule. But, worth losing sleep over? No. Accept that the school values conformity over individuality and move on. If you don't like it send her to another school. And, there are plenty of pro-photogs who would love to shoot the little girl in in her school uniform or in her Bratz-y outfit.
It's a conservative religious school, so conservative that they don't even allow braids.
So why would you think that a ridiculous Lady Gaga hair bow is okay?? It's clearly not keeping with the conservatism of the school's rules, even if the school didn't think to say "no hairstyles where the hair is tied into a bow."
Post by meshaliuknits on May 24, 2012 10:10:46 GMT -5
I can see why someone would infer from the written hair-related rules that probably a hair bow is a no-go. But, I also can see why someone else would look at those same rules and think they were in the clear with said hair bow.
Dad's NOT an AW? Really? That's why he had his daughter pose both ways with an obvious spin to make her look miserable in normal wear, but happy as a lark in the other?
Yeah, I'm going with someone wanting to upsell his business and is using his kiddo to do it. Douche. ::gavel::
Yeah, I'm going with someone wanting to upsell his business and is using his kiddo to do it. Douche. ::gavel::
I'm on team "Poorly Written Code" and on team "AW Douche Dad"
I don't see them as contradictory. If I sent my kid to school with that hair do (which I woudln't, but that's just becuase I have no idea how to do that) and they sent her home after refusing to allow her in the school picture, I'd be annoyed.
I'd call the school for a clarification on what hair is allowed for future reference, tell them that they need to rewrite the code to be clearer, and then I'd tell little princess that it's really not a big deal and to stop crying.
For those that are wondering what is wrong with braids, from a religious persepctive, some Christian denominations do not allow braids because of the following Scripture:
1 Timothy 2: 9-10
Likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, but with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with good works.
Some people take that to mean no braids at all and others take it to mean that hair should be done in a manner that doesn't draw attention. I'm not sure of the Catholic stance (sounds like a Catholic school) on this issue, but I doubt they forbid all braids. I have a feeling the rule exists to keep children dressing in a way that isn't attention-grabbing (probably why they also have school uniforms - duh). That bow draws attention to the girl. It's not a braid, but it goes against the school values, obviously. I bet the little girl got a lot of attention for her hair that day from all of the other children.
And the clothing is gross. I agree she looks like a bratz doll. I hate that style of clothing for small children - anything that makes them look like pop culture trash. She may be covered up completely, but the outfit draws attention to her and makes her look like a mini-hooker, IMO.
In the first outfit she looks like how I imagine a pre-teen Pebbles Flintstone would look. In the second school uniform photo she looks like of sullen and the hair/bow doesn't really go.
For those that are wondering what is wrong with braids, from a religious persepctive, some Christian denominations do not allow braids because of the following Scripture:
1 Timothy 2: 9-10
Likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, but with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with good works.
Some people take that to mean no braids at all and others take it to mean that hair should be done in a manner that doesn't draw attention. I'm not sure of the Catholic stance (sounds like a Catholic school) on this issue, but I doubt they forbid all braids. I have a feeling the rule exists to keep children dressing in a way that isn't attention-grabbing (probably why they also have school uniforms - duh). That bow draws attention to the girl. It's not a braid, but it goes against the school values, obviously. I bet the little girl got a lot of attention for her hair that day from all of the other children.
And the clothing is gross. I agree she looks like a bratz doll. I hate that style of clothing for small children - anything that makes them look like pop culture trash. She may be covered up completely, but the outfit draws attention to her and makes her look like a mini-hooker, IMO.
A hooker? REALLY!?!!! You seriously look at that kid and think that her clothes are selling sex?
For those that are wondering what is wrong with braids, from a religious persepctive, some Christian denominations do not allow braids because of the following Scripture:
1 Timothy 2: 9-10
Likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, but with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with good works.
Some people take that to mean no braids at all and others take it to mean that hair should be done in a manner that doesn't draw attention. I'm not sure of the Catholic stance (sounds like a Catholic school) on this issue, but I doubt they forbid all braids. I have a feeling the rule exists to keep children dressing in a way that isn't attention-grabbing (probably why they also have school uniforms - duh). That bow draws attention to the girl. It's not a braid, but it goes against the school values, obviously. I bet the little girl got a lot of attention for her hair that day from all of the other children.
And the clothing is gross. I agree she looks like a bratz doll. I hate that style of clothing for small children - anything that makes them look like pop culture trash. She may be covered up completely, but the outfit draws attention to her and makes her look like a mini-hooker, IMO.
For those that are wondering what is wrong with braids, from a religious persepctive, some Christian denominations do not allow braids because of the following Scripture:
1 Timothy 2: 9-10
Likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, but with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with good works.
Some people take that to mean no braids at all and others take it to mean that hair should be done in a manner that doesn't draw attention. I'm not sure of the Catholic stance (sounds like a Catholic school) on this issue, but I doubt they forbid all braids. I have a feeling the rule exists to keep children dressing in a way that isn't attention-grabbing (probably why they also have school uniforms - duh). That bow draws attention to the girl. It's not a braid, but it goes against the school values, obviously. I bet the little girl got a lot of attention for her hair that day from all of the other children.
And the clothing is gross. I agree she looks like a bratz doll. I hate that style of clothing for small children - anything that makes them look like pop culture trash. She may be covered up completely, but the outfit draws attention to her and makes her look like a mini-hooker, IMO.
A hooker? REALLY!?!!! You seriously look at that kid and think that her clothes are selling sex?
Yes. Do I think the child is trying to sell sex? No. Do I think the parent bought the clothes with that intention? No. But I think that entire "look" and culture for children is one which causes our children to grow up way too early.
I'm a prude and I dress very plainly. I see fashion as a way that people try to express themselves. The way you dress obviously says something about you. To me, clothing like that on a little girl sends a "diva" or "princess" (and not in the innocent way) or "sexy" message. I look at the little pre-teen girls dressing this way on the popular kid shows, especially the ones about being rock stars, and there are sexual undertones to the way the children move.
That's a little girl to me. She is being dressed like a woman. To me, those styles automatically sexualize her in the same way putting a child in a beauty pageant does. Yuck.
But once again, I'm a prude and not really into fashion in the popular sense. I don't find those animal prints and sparkles attractive at all, even on a grown woman. On a child it looks ridiculous.
I think the rule is very poorly written and actually strikes me as targeting black children. What about braids are so offensive in school? Braids are a fairly standard hairstyle (for all children).
The hairstyle the little girl is sporting is 1) Cute and 2) Not a braid and not a hair accessory/barrett/etc so I don't see how it is actually breaking the dress code.
God forbid we focus on showing them how to sparkle or shine from within instead of through their clothing (which is the intention of the school dress code, I believe).
We all draw the line somewhere between what is and isn't appropriate for our children. Obviously, you are fine with that style. I am not. No biggie.
Honest question - when you look at that outfit (the picture on the top and the animal prints) what is the message that you believe it is sending? What are the words that come to your mind?
I think the rule is very poorly written and actually strikes me as targeting black children. What about braids are so offensive in school? Braids are a fairly standard hairstyle (for all children).
The hairstyle the little girl is sporting is 1) Cute and 2) Not a braid and not a hair accessory/barrett/etc so I don't see how it is actually breaking the dress code.
I was waiting for a post like this and was about to respond with something very similar to what you wrote in the first paragraph, particularly the part about it seeming like it targets black children. I thought maybe I was reading too much into it though. I mean, I might still be but at least someone out there agrees.
And I'll be honest, even though I think this is a dumb as hell rule, if you send your kid to a conservative school that doesn't even allow braided hair, I don't think you should act very surprised when they don't approve of an (albeit cute) unusual hairstyle. It may not be expressed explicitly in the rule, but I wouldn't even risk it. If I have to ask myself whether it might not be allowed, then I'll play it safe and not do it.
I see a little girl who is proud of who she is. I don't assess smarts on what a kid wears.
I don't see how you get this from the picture.
It's not like she chose that hairstyle herself. It's all about the dad.
And can't you be proud of who you are without having to wear attention-getting clothes? I don't see why "expressing yourself" or "individuality" have to be "LOOK AT ME" styles.
Post by UMaineTeach on May 24, 2012 11:27:26 GMT -5
I think that no beads targets black children, but to be honest the first thing I though of when it said braids was a white child with long blonde hair in braided pigtails. I didn't consider a black child with many small braids until the image was posted.
I can kind of see where if you think that a number of things are distracting to a child's education that plastic clanking hair beads would be one of those things.
I see a little girl who is proud of who she is. I don't assess smarts on what a kid wears.
Like I said, we all send a message with what we wear, whether we want to or not. I think if we learned anything from the Trayvon Martin case it's that even children in a hoodie can send a message. I don't want people looking at my daughter and thinking "Bratz doll" and that she has the values associated with that doll. I want her to aspire for more and teaching her about that starts now, IMO.
Post by Melissa W. on May 24, 2012 11:30:20 GMT -5
I certainly don't see her as sexy. As far as the hair, I am not talking about the hair but the point that her clothes are sexy.
I don't see the clothes as a "look at me style". I just don't get why does a kid have to be covered from head to toe or plainly to be assessed as smart or an individual? This isn't what she wore to school.
Or at least that is the point I am trying to make.
Post by basilosaurus on May 24, 2012 11:36:57 GMT -5
Our dress code had a line about things that were overly faddish, trendy, or extreme. Like, you couldn't say a mohawk was fine b/c they weren't explicitly banned. If this school is so conservative, I don't see why they don't have a generic line like that.
My first thought with "no braids" was that it wasn't meant to be anti-black, but it probably also never considered black kids. Hello, privilege. And a serious lol to braids being banned b/c of a biblical quote.
And this bow looks stupid. Of course it's not ok. It's an extreme hairstyle in a school with a dress code even more conservative than mine was.
Also, can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm team aw. Little girls don't need to be wearing leopard print. Actually, no one does. I won't go as far as to say it's a sexualized outfit, but it's definitely more adult looking that I think a 4 year old should be wearing.
I'm not even engaging AW on this one. Not.trying. Although, I have to say I wouldn't let my little girl wear that outfit either. The shoes pinky would browbeat me into buying for her but the rest of it is tacky tacky tacky and looks like shit Theresa from RHONJ would stick on her kid.
And you know, little black girls don't have to wear cornrows so I don't take it as a personal affront if I came across a school that axed them.
I see a little girl who is proud of who she is. I don't assess smarts on what a kid wears.
Like I said, we all send a message with what we wear, whether we want to or not. I think if we learned anything from the Trayvon Martin case it's that even children in a hoodie can send a message. I don't want people looking at my daughter and thinking "Bratz doll" and that she has the values associated with that doll. I want her to aspire for more and teaching her about that starts now, IMO.
Also, I'm pretty sure it never occured to the school that an attention seeking hairdresser would fashion his kid's hair into a bow on top of her head so I'm not sure why we're all surprised that it's not mentioned in the dresscode.
It's a religious school with a dress code. A lot of Christian denominations have regulations about hair. If he doesn't like it, he should take his daughter to a different school.
But to be honest, I'm surprised that it was just the hair that got her kicked out of the photo. The entire outfit is not appropriate for her age IMO. I can't stand that style of clothing on little girls.
I totally agree. Personally, the hairdo is cute and I want to know how it's made. But if the school said no, the dad's going to have to obey the rules if she is going to keep attending that school. Her uniform is cute but that other outfit is sick for a child to wear in public, much less at school.
Also, I'm really peeved at this father for being all OMG, THE SCHOOL MADE MY BABY CRY!!
No, they didn't, asshole. YOU DID. Also, I don't get a father who is all, oh that mean school in response to this instead of ::shrug:: Welp, kid, it's against the rules. How about I redo it for you on Saturday and we can go out, alright?