Post by Regina Philange on Aug 8, 2013 9:40:40 GMT -5
This might be unpopular.
Soooo i have a love note from the work cleaning lady telling me not to drink coffee. I guess there was a teeeeny bit left in my cup when i threw it out and it spilled and they had to clean it off the floor.
My coworker wants me to report them. I want to fuck with them and now leave notes all the time and fun stuff in my garbage.
since this whole thread is about tipping.......I think tips are stupid. I wish we didn't tip at all, like Europeans
If you go into a business that has you relying on tips to live, you are going to be in trouble on day. Like the massage therapist example someone posted. Why should I feel guilty that the masseuse is only clearing 20k and will probably be injured on the job one day so I should tip generously? Just tell me what a massage should cost and charge me that. Same with a meal. I'm sorry if my 15% tip on a large bill won't pay for your iphone. Don't make me feel like an awful person for not tipping 20+%. Cabs here now have 15, 20 and 25% as their CC options. What? What happened to 10%?
For the record, we tip 20% minimum. More at cheap places. I just don't like that its becoming more norm to tip at least 20%. Just beause I can afford to tip $40 on a $200 meal, why should I do that instead of the restaurant paying its employees? Kind of like everyone else is saying in this thread
Agree. Tipping should be for excellent service, not to make up someone's income.
The way it is now, I feel like I have to tip even if the waiter/waitress is terrible, just because they don't make enough otherwise. But I wish it didn't have to be that way.
It's not your responsibility as a customer to "make-up someone's income". If you receive shitty service and don't want to tip, then don't tip. It's not illegal. It is within your rights. It's part of the job- you can't always make everyone happy and some people just suck at waiting tables. But just because someone works in the food service industry doesn't mean they are poor and need pity tips. It was not uncommon for me to make $400-500 a night on a weekend shift back in NYC. I may have been a bartender, but my bills were always paid and I was able to save some money and still go uptown now and again to indulge my retail habit.
It's not that I think they're poor, but if I know a server only makes $2-$3 an hour then I feel like an asshole if I don't tip. So I do regardless of the service.
I know there are servers/bartenders that do very well for themselves.
I hate the word "blowie". It seems so middle school and cheesey to me. People use it so often on the board and I cringe every time. Just call it a damn blow job.
I agree that restaurants should have to pay their wait staff minimum wage. Then you could actually tip based on service not because you "have" to tip 20%. Sometimes when I get crappy service I want to tip less but I feel like an asshole.
It happened in the 70s when Congress raised the minimum wage. They left out restaurant staff because it would have been a hardship on the restaurants. Sadly, too often businesses matter more than individuals.
Businesses are people too! I kid, mostly.
I don't think it is as simple as just raising minimum wage. I do think wait staff should make at least minimum wage. But, the truth is that smaller restaurants (not chains) will struggle with paying their servers more. Overhead is huge on the restaurant business. I don't think that losing some businesses means we shouldn't pay waitstaff minimum wage, but I do think it should open a conversation about how to pay people fairly while allowing small businesses a chance to grow.
I agree it's complicated, but from a customer standpoint, they should end up paying the same amount no matter what. If they have to raise the cost of meals to cover salaries, the customer wouldn't have to pay a tip anymore, so there shouldn't be much difference.
Post by The Foozzler on Aug 8, 2013 9:56:31 GMT -5
I am enjoying all of the hockey love! Less than 2 months until opening night. Hockey was Tyler's first word after Dada and Puck. Faevantastic should come down here to a hockey game with me.
fusion There are PLENTY of physically demanding jobs that pay little. I'm not saying people should or shouldn't tip massage therapists, but that isn't a great argument as there are plenty of people out there in shitty jobs where they can't take time off despite pain/injury/ who don't have health insurance etc. etc.
I personally just don't get massages now after the baby because I/we can't afford it. Before I used to sometimes get one and I always went to the same place, they don't even accept tips and its a great massage.
I can't go around wondering whether the person doing X for me is getting paid well or shitty by their employer and should I then pay more for an already expensive service because that person may or may not be underpaid.
Should I tip the guy at the grocery store who is loading my stuff into bags then loading my bags into the cart? I'm sure he isn't getting paid very well. But I just spent $200 on groceries and the price of food keeps going up so yeah.. I don't tip the grocery bagger. Nor do I tip the checkout person who is probably also making about $7 /hr.
I'm in favor of maintaining the tipping system instead of a wage with no tips. I like that most servers are motivated by the tip to provide good service. Service us a huge part of how enjoyable my restaurant experience is, and I'm happy to pay for that.
I tip 10-15% for poor service. If the kitchen is slow, that's not the server's fault, and I won't penalize them for that if they handle it well. Be upfront about the delay, bring bread or something to munch on, and keep the drinks coming. I hate when something goes wrong, and the server simply avoids me after.
We had a server a few weeks ago who didn't come back to us once in the 1h45m we waited for our meals. Our drinks were empty, we were starving, and Carter was getting miserable. She sat twenty feet away and played on her phone without glancing at us once. We finally got up and told her we were leaving. Miraculously, our cold, congealed meals were "ready" at that moment. We took them to go, paid the check, but stiffed her. I think I've only done that once before.
I'm starting to feel like it's a damned if you do/damned if you don't situation with tipping in this thread. So if someone provides mediocre service, am an an asshole for not tipping 20% or am I an asshole for tipping 20% because I assume they need the money even though they didn't really earn it?
Nope sorry. Bad service = bad tip and you shouldn't feel badly for it.
This. I never have left below 10% though but I have left 10% for bad service a few times.
I'm probably an asshole on this board but I tip 18% for average or good service at a sit down restaurant.
You also aren't supposed to tip on tax so I bet a lot of people here tip more than they think they are.
Soooo i have a love note from the work cleaning lady telling me not to drink coffee. I guess there was a teeeeny bit left in my cup when i threw it out and it spilled and they had to clean it off the floor.
My coworker wants me to report them. I want to fuck with them and now leave notes all the time and fun stuff in my garbage.
I also wrote them a love note back.
Lol I love that you left them a note. I can't believe they told you not to drink coffee because they had to clean a little bit up off the floor!
Post by The Foozzler on Aug 8, 2013 10:01:28 GMT -5
Tipping should be for good service, but that is not how it actually works in this country. I look like an asshole for tipping less than 20% to the waiter that forgot to put in Tyler's order, never refilled our water, and dropped off our food without us having silverware and we had to track him down to get it. I am supposed to give him a good tip for shitty service because he can't afford to live.
I agree that restaurants should have to pay their wait staff minimum wage. Then you could actually tip based on service not because you "have" to tip 20%. Sometimes when I get crappy service I want to tip less but I feel like an asshole.
Most states , if not all, require the restaurant pay minimum wage if the worker does not make it in tips.
GAH I hate football. People get so worked up about something so totally meaningless. Luckily DH feels the same, but he'll watch soccer all day long whereas I really don't like to watch any sports.
The thing that sucks about tipping is that it's become meaningless as an indication of customer satisfaction. Sure, some people will leave shitty tips or really high tips, but for the most part everyone tips 15-20% as a matter of course. So it's no longer a "tip," it's just part of the cost of the meal. I would much rather pay more for the food, then have more flexibility to tip over a wide (but lower) range depending on service. (I know that technically we have that flexibility, but in my own mind I really won't tip less than 15% or more than 25% no matter what.
@gisa I kind of do I mean, most places have servers who are fine, not exceptional, 20% is fine. But I also don't really know what makes a server so amazing that we should be tipping more than 25%. They should know the menu and be able to recommend stuff. I don't need someone who will make small talk throughout my entire meal. Just smile and be nice and check in once in awhile.
We tip well. And even if we didn't give 20%, we still wouldn't be assholes.
Who wants to start the debate about tipping on take out orders? That will be a 10+pager on other boards
It amazes me that wait staff are not paid minimum wage! In Canada you are. So you are making $10 an hour PLUS tips.
Back in ny younger years I bartended at a very popular club. On a bad night I would walk out with $500 in my pocket. During calgary stampede I would walk out with $1200 or more in tips alone. You all should move here.
Post by creamsiclechica on Aug 8, 2013 10:06:54 GMT -5
I have an obsessive and irrational love of sports. All sports, but especially baseball. I'm an encyclopedia of stats, and I can put most men to shame. I get inexplicable joy when Matt and go somewhere and he tells another guy this, and the guy asks me what he thinks is an impossible question, and I answer perfectly. Take that, jerk, I read comic books, played hockey,and watched ESPN when I was little, screw your misogyny.
And we're tremendous over tippers. Its a hard job that I feel is undervalued, so we usually tip between 20 to 30%. I tip my mailman at Christmas too, even if it's a nice bottle of wine or a gift card for coffee. My dad has been a mailman for 30 years, and he made shit money, but walked and carried mail for all day route, 6 days a week for 20 of those years. People were so kind to him at Christmas, so I remembered that and continue it.
If you go into a business that has you relying on tips to live, you are going to be in trouble on day.
Wow.
Why wow? Its true isn't it? If you make the majority of your income from tips, you can't control how much you will be tipped. Its the shitty reality of being in a tip heavy field. Most people's bodies can't continue to give awesome massages for years and years. And if they only make 20k doing that (without tips) they are going to be living on the poverty line. It sucks for them which is why I said I wished there was a higher flat fee to avoid the dependance on tips.
Post by Regina Philange on Aug 8, 2013 10:15:12 GMT -5
Im not saying i WONT tip if someone does a bad job. Of course i will still tip! Just not as much as if someone did a really great job. I think its unfair to think people have to tip the same amount to someone that did a great job then to someone who clearly doesn't want to be there and basically drops plates on your table. I'm in NJ, lets face it people can be rude.
I am in the opinion too that you don't become a server or bartender as a career that will support the family. It is more of the supplemental career. If you need to have insurance, etc find a job that will give you that. And yes, my husband is a bartender. I am the one that holds the insurance, puts $ away for retirement, etc. He has more time at home than me, so is almost in essence the stay at home dad. I kind of feel like you shouldn't cry that waiting is not going to support you, it should be more of an extra job or something. My two good friends and I used to waitress on top of our full time jobs for extra $. If someone left me 20% I was very happy. But if the server sucks for me, you are getting 10%.
Why wow? Its true isn't it? If you make the majority of your income from tips, you can't control how much you will be tipped. Its the shitty reality of being in a tip heavy field. Most people's bodies can't continue to give awesome massages for years and years. And if they only make 20k doing that (without tips) they are going to be living on the poverty line. It sucks for them which is why I said I wished there was a higher flat fee to avoid the dependance on tips.
I think you need to reword it to perhaps say " any labor intensive job carries a big risk". Living off of tips or not, if it becomes such a hardship for you to do your job well you can be let go/fired. That has nothing to do with living off of tips.
I think it's ridiculous that waitstaff is somehow exempt from minimum wage laws. I hate fixed percentage tipping - it makes no sense to me from a philosophical standpoint. I understand why we do it, because someone has to pay those poor servers' salaries. But I would rather the cost of food go up to cover higher wages than rely on tips.
This may have already been stated but wait staff here do get minimum wage and tips. I can't imagine how poor DH would have been otherwise...he couldn't have courted me, lol.
And we're tremendous over tippers. Its a hard job that I feel is undervalued, so we usually tip between 20 to 30%. I tip my mailman at Christmas too, even if it's a nice bottle of wine or a gift card for coffee. My dad has been a mailman for 30 years, and he made shit money, but walked and carried mail for all day route, 6 days a week for 20 of those years. People were so kind to him at Christmas, so I remembered that and continue it.
My FIL was a mailman, and he got so many baked goods! I think you aren't supposed to give them money, but .. just give them money. lol. Gift cards and wine are good too. No baked goods! Just a PSA. It was ridiculous. He'd always try to pawn that stuff off on us.
Yea, I always assume they wouldn't eat the baked goods. I generously tip my mailman and UPS man because I get so much stuff delivered. I think I gave my UPS man a $50 amazon gift card last year but he's literally here every day or every other day and he carries my stuff to the 2nd floor for me.