The reason I liked that post is because I agree that the child's actions were unpredictable, especially since the 911 call was messed up as well.
I also think, based on all of the posts this week, this board is biased against anything law enforcement and/or gun related.
Did either one of you watch the damn video? When the police roll up THERE ISN'T ANYONE THERE. He isn't waving it at anyone. All they need to do is find out what the hell is going on. There wasn't any situation.
And tillie, seriously? Seriously? You can't possibly be this simple.
First of all. If they believed this kid was a vicious, ruthless 20 year old man with a gun ready to shoot the cops on sight, why TF did they pull up RIGHT THE EFF NEXT TO HIM? That's terrible tactics, right out of the gate. They should have pulled up on the street so they had the cover of the car. If they couldn't hit a target from that distance, they shouldn't even be cops.
After they did this, they shot that kid when they were barely even outside of the car. There is NO WAY they gave him a chance to put his hands up or do anything else. Even if he had been a grown man instead of a kid, it would have been wrong. And they couldn't even have had time to look at this kid and TELL how old he was.
That's unforgivable. Literally. That's a ticket to hell. Twelve years old.
And they didn't even touch him. Is that normal? An FBI agent is the one who helped.
I don't know, and my H isn't up to ask, but at that point it's a homicide? Crime scene that needs to be investigated? So, for that specific thing, I don't think that was insensitive. It's actually probably better they don't touch anything. My understanding is that when these things happen, the state police or feds step in to investigate so the local department isn't investigating what could be their own wrongdoing.
"Not gonna lie; I kind of keep expecting you to post one day that you threw down on someone who clearly had no idea that today was NOT THEIR DAY." ~dontcallmeshirley
And they didn't even touch him. Is that normal? An FBI agent is the one who helped.
I don't know, and my H isn't up to ask, but at that point it's a homicide? Crime scene that needs to be investigated? So, for that specific thing, I don't think that was insensitive. It's actually probably better they don't touch anything. My understanding is that when these things happen, the state police or feds step in to investigate so the local department isn't investigating what could be their own wrongdoing.
If it matters at all, the child did not die on the scene. He died later in the hospital. So it wasn't a homicide at the time. But it should be now.
Changing subjects-- john Crawford's case was the EXACT SAME FUCKING THING. The video was exactly the same. No response time given. Not even any awareness that he was being addressed. And there was no indictment from the GJ.
I don't know, and my H isn't up to ask, but at that point it's a homicide? Crime scene that needs to be investigated? So, for that specific thing, I don't think that was insensitive. It's actually probably better they don't touch anything. My understanding is that when these things happen, the state police or feds step in to investigate so the local department isn't investigating what could be their own wrongdoing.
If it matters at all, the child did not die on the scene. He died later in the hospital. So it wasn't a homicide at the time. But it should be now.
Changing subjects-- john Crawford's case was the EXACT SAME FUCKING THING. The video was exactly the same. No response time given. Not even any awareness that he was being addressed. And there was no indictment from the GJ.
These ones will skate. I know it.
yikes. I would think that matters. I would have to ask H, but I would have thought they'd be required to give aid? Maybe not because they're paramedics? You would think that one's humanity would kick in and someone would at least kneel down and talk to him.
"Not gonna lie; I kind of keep expecting you to post one day that you threw down on someone who clearly had no idea that today was NOT THEIR DAY." ~dontcallmeshirley
I don't know, and my H isn't up to ask, but at that point it's a homicide? Crime scene that needs to be investigated? So, for that specific thing, I don't think that was insensitive. It's actually probably better they don't touch anything. My understanding is that when these things happen, the state police or feds step in to investigate so the local department isn't investigating what could be their own wrongdoing.
If it matters at all, the child did not die on the scene. He died later in the hospital. So it wasn't a homicide at the time. But it should be now.
Changing subjects-- john Crawford's case was the EXACT SAME FUCKING THING. The video was exactly the same. No response time given. Not even any awareness that he was being addressed. And there was no indictment from the GJ.
These ones will skate. I know it.
Ugh, I so hope not. Did you see the story I posted up thread? Cleveland officers were indicted after a high speed car chase ended in the deaths of driver and passenger. They actually were breaking the law, and the officers were still indicted (as they should have been).
Anybody have insight on why the older LEO is on admin leave as well? Is that just protocol, or because of the way he drove right up on the kid? Any other factors?
Does it matter if you reach for your gun if you have an open carry law of not?
Now, this IS the most ignorant statement I've ever seen. If you reach for you gun when an officer has told you to out your hands up, you will get shot. No question. Should I make a PSA?
I don't know...this dude managed not to get shot somehow...
"When two New Orleans police officers confronted him on Derbigny Street and demanded that Authement drop his gun, he reportedly pointed his weapon at them and said, "No, you drop your (expletive) gun!"
They had a choice. They didn't shoot.
Authement later pulled his weapon on another officer at Claiborne and Pauger.
That officer had a choice. He didn't shoot either."
ETA: If you google "Derrick Daniel Thomas", you'll find plenty of other stories of white guys who pointed actual guns at police and lived to tell the tale. So I just don't buy the argument that shooting to kill always has to be a first resort.