Listen, I get that this song perpetuates stereotypes. I get it intellectually. But for some reason singing dirty rugby songs is just my own personal college experience and something that I loved. and not only that, in some ways it defined my college experience - I was a rugby player.
So for me to condemn the song seems to repudiate my entire college experience. It's like I can't wrap my head around it properly to explain it. I don't know if that is making any sense.
Dirty songs are one thing, but these two are so fucking gross. And seriously that condemning one awful aspect that you were associated with in college = the condemning of your entire college experience? You can' just accept that this was gross in retrospect without ruining the entirety of you're college experience? Because you're entire college life revolved around singing terrible songs after rugby games, and nothing else?
Tangent - I went to a rugby party when rushing in college and they had a tradition where they'd pick one girl from the party, get in a circle around her, drop their pants and swing their dicks around. It was supposed to be an honor.
"Not gonna lie; I kind of keep expecting you to post one day that you threw down on someone who clearly had no idea that today was NOT THEIR DAY." ~dontcallmeshirley
Listen, I get that this song perpetuates stereotypes. I get it intellectually. But for some reason singing dirty rugby songs is just my own personal college experience and something that I loved. and not only that, in some ways it defined my college experience - I was a rugby player.
So for me to condemn the song seems to repudiate my entire college experience. It's like I can't wrap my head around it properly to explain it. I don't know if that is making any sense.
I really don't want to hear about how breaking off a glass bottle in someone's sexual orifice is part of your college experience. If it was, you missed the point of college and you should STFU.
You really just don't get it, do you? Traditions are NEVER fucked up at all ... ever. newp
Listen I said I get it intellectually. I really do. It's not my hill to die on today. I am sure they could come up with less offensive songs. Maybe I'll suggest that to my team's alumni chapter.
No. You don't. If you did you would recognize the larger societal damage done and realize you are making the world a worse place for women. I'm also quite positive you could have sung dirty songs that didn't perpetuate rape culture and violence against women.
Listen I said I get it intellectually. I really do. It's not my hill to die on today. I am sure they could come up with less offensive songs. Maybe I'll suggest that to my team's alumni chapter.
You really just don't get it, do you? Traditions are NEVER fucked up at all ... ever. newp
Listen I said I get it intellectually. I really do. It's not my hill to die on today. I am sure they could come up with less offensive songs. Maybe I'll suggest that to my team's alumni chapter.
Yes they did actually. The words were exactly the same.
I knew if I posted that you would all disagree but I'm sticking with it. You can all flame to me high heaven, but women's rugby at my alma mater was an incredibly supportive environment and probably one of the most important things I have ever done. We sang those exact songs (well we didn't sing S&M man but we sang the other song - and yup dug him up after he was dead. There are accompanying hand gestures, too, to the song).
OK, so your defense is that because YOU said sadistic and fucked up things, it must be acceptable to say sadistic and fucked up things.
You know those posts that change the way you see someone? Yeah.
"Not gonna lie; I kind of keep expecting you to post one day that you threw down on someone who clearly had no idea that today was NOT THEIR DAY." ~dontcallmeshirley
Hell, I'm a Family Guy fan and this was too much for me. I don't understand how you can read all that in the cold light of day and think, yup, nothing wrong with that. Yeah, no.
Listen I said I get it intellectually. I really do. It's not my hill to die on today. I am sure they could come up with less offensive songs. Maybe I'll suggest that to my team's alumni chapter.
Hell, I'm a Family Guy fan and this was too much for me. I don't understand how you can read all that in the cold light of day *as an adult* and think, yup, nothing wrong with that. Yeah, no.
"Not gonna lie; I kind of keep expecting you to post one day that you threw down on someone who clearly had no idea that today was NOT THEIR DAY." ~dontcallmeshirley
ok, the yoho song i can maybe give a pass in the sex positive, celebrating being a slut.
but the S&M song. when you learned the lyrics, b/c you had to have read them a lot to later drunkenly scream them out, yes? you never once stopped and thought it was a fucked up thing to be singing about? not once?
No, it was fun and you need sexual violence to have college.
I just want to repeat how utterly shocked I was when I read these lyrics. Again, I expected some There Once was a Man from Nantucket in here. Or some NIN I wanna fuck you like an animal or something. Even some FG rape jokes. But this is . . . no. The idea that anyone would be all, newp, no big deal baffles me. The idea that a fraternity would get in trouble for passing around what sadly is a tame version of this and then continue this is . . .
OK - in defense of the song "the S&M man". That is a classic rugby drinking song.
For those of you that aren't familiar with what happens after the rugby game, both games get together and sing dirty songs while drinking. It is gobs of fun.
the men's rugby team at my college always sang the S&M man song.
We sang lots of obscene songs, too, as the women's rugby team.
As a women's rugby team, we sang that "yoho yoho" song. Except that the lyrics were changed to be from a women's perspective - like a woman wanting sex. "he put his dick into my mouth, yoho, yoho"
"and then he came into my mouth, yoho, yoho" "i said <spit your beer on everyone>" get in get out quit fucking about yoho yoho yoho
So yeeah, I'm not going to get upset about the drinking songs.
ok, the yoho song i can maybe give a pass in the sex positive, celebrating being a slut.
but the S&M song. when you learned the lyrics, b/c you had to have read them a lot to later drunkenly scream them out, yes? you never once stopped and thought it was a fucked up thing to be singing about? not once?
"Not gonna lie; I kind of keep expecting you to post one day that you threw down on someone who clearly had no idea that today was NOT THEIR DAY." ~dontcallmeshirley
when comparing singing about giving BJs and spitting out your beer like its come vs a song about rape, murder, eating aborted babies, sexual violence and necrophilia, the slut song gets the pass here.
Except who ends up in the box? The guy? So, because it's reversed it makes it ok? I just don't understand. We're not ok with the necrophilia against women but we are against men? Maybe I just don't understand how the song would go if it were reversed. Maybe I'm sex negative, I don't know.
"Not gonna lie; I kind of keep expecting you to post one day that you threw down on someone who clearly had no idea that today was NOT THEIR DAY." ~dontcallmeshirley
As a women's rugby team, we sang that "yoho yoho" song. Except that the lyrics were changed to be from a women's perspective - like a woman wanting sex.
"he put his dick into my mouth, yoho, yoho"
"and then he came into my mouth, yoho, yoho"
"i said <spit your beer on everyone>"
get in get out quit fucking about yoho yoho yoho
ok, the yoho song i can maybe give a pass in the sex positive, celebrating being a slut.
but the S&M song. when you learned the lyrics, b/c you had to have read them a lot to later drunkenly scream them out, yes? you never once stopped and thought it was a fucked up thing to be singing about? not once?
Explain to me how this is sex positive? All of these are discribing things men are doing to women. Not one of them is talking about what the woman is doing sexually, just what she is allowing the man to do. ie "he put his dick into my mouth, yoho, yoho" is =/= "I put his dick in my mouth"
The women didn't sing the S&M song. And TBH we always thought that song was over the top. We only did co-ed socials twice a year so we didn't always hear the men's songs. When I said "the words were the same" I meant the yoho yoho song.
I already said that I see the problems with it. Am I going to go to the alumni reunion and refuse to sing the songs? Probably not. It's not my hill to die on with them (I didn't necessarily mean with you all).
Most of the women's songs were sex positive. Like google the lyrics to "I don't want to be a housewife."
In regards to the men's team singing the S&M man song - Yup, its offensive and shocking. I think they meant it to be? I truly do get that its not OK. I'm not necessarily defending them. But I'm just saying that if there was a team on campus that was rapey, it wasn't the men's rugby team. They are truly some of the nicest guys I know. Like I said, I'm married to one. And nice guys can say offensive things - I'm not necessarily excusing them. But it never really occurred to me during my drunken college years to be offended when I heard them sing this song. Can I see that it's a problem now as an adult - (while not insanely drunk and crazed after playing 80 minutes of hard hitting/concussed rugby)? Sure. I don't remember the lyrics being that bad. But yes, reading them now they are not good.
But whatever, I've only been posting on TN for 7.5 years, so if people want to take one small thing I've said and change their opinion of me, so be it. I have work to do anyway.
I already said that I see the problems with it. Am I going to go to the alumni reunion and refuse to sing the songs? Probably not. It's not my hill to die on with them (I didn't necessarily mean with you all).
Wait, you're still going to continue to sing this shit? I can't.
But that's exactly what rape culture is. It's normalizing sexual violence through "fun" drinking songs, advertisements, media portrayals, casual conversations, etc. The more we're exposed to it, the less we care until a woman who has been raped isn't a woman at all- she's "some random slut who got what was coming to her."
Your college memory is one thing, LoveTrains but I'm glad looking back on it you can see how bad those songs really are.
Most of the women's songs were sex positive. Like google the lyrics to "I don't want to be a housewife."
I don't want to be a housewife I'd much rather be a whore I'd rather turn some tricks Involving foot-long dicks Housework is such a bloody bore, oh blimey I don't want to mop this fucking kitchen I don't want to sweep this fucking floor I'm not even getting paid I'd rather be getting laid And as it is I have to ask for more, oh blimey
Mondays I'd strut the streets of Stratford Tuesdays I'd beat some meat in Wales And Wednesdays by the Thames I'd lay them ten by ten Thursday's saved for all that's female Friday's for hand jobs and for blow jobs Saturday's for gang-bangs occupied (occupied) And Sunday at the palace I'd mount his royal phallus And take his royal regence for a ride, oh blimey
I don't want to be a housewife I'd much rather be a whore I'd rather turn some tricks Involving foot-long dicks Housework is such a bloody bore, oh blimey Don't want to have this fucking baby I'll leave the house this very fucking day, fucking day And strut the streets of (Eugene), Oh, mighty, mighty, (Eugene), And fornicate my fucking life away!
Most of the women's songs were sex positive. Like google the lyrics to "I don't want to be a housewife."
I don't want to be a housewife I'd much rather be a whore I'd rather turn some tricks Involving foot-long dicks Housework is such a bloody bore, oh blimey I don't want to mop this fucking kitchen I don't want to sweep this fucking floor I'm not even getting paid I'd rather be getting laid And as it is I have to ask for more, oh blimey
Mondays I'd strut the streets of Stratford Tuesdays I'd beat some meat in Wales And Wednesdays by the Thames I'd lay them ten by ten Thursday's saved for all that's female Friday's for hand jobs and for blow jobs Saturday's for gang-bangs occupied (occupied) And Sunday at the palace I'd mount his royal phallus And take his royal regence for a ride, oh blimey
I don't want to be a housewife I'd much rather be a whore I'd rather turn some tricks Involving foot-long dicks Housework is such a bloody bore, oh blimey Don't want to have this fucking baby I'll leave the house this very fucking day, fucking day And strut the streets of (Eugene), Oh, mighty, mighty, (Eugene), And fornicate my fucking life away!
The women didn't sing the S&M song. And TBH we always thought that song was over the top. We only did co-ed socials twice a year so we didn't always hear the men's songs. When I said "the words were the same" I meant the yoho yoho song.
I already said that I see the problems with it. Am I going to go to the alumni reunion and refuse to sing the songs? Probably not. It's not my hill to die on with them (I didn't necessarily mean with you all).
I specifically asked you, specifically and clearly, if you sang "stabbing their ears and mutilating their genitals with a blender? Cutting them in half and using their own blood as lube for anal penetration?" Your response was "yes, the words were exactly the same."
You are missing the point here that perpetuation of rape culture is not a small thing and that you are motherfucking defending it because you feel that it was the essence of your childhood or some shit.
Most of the women's songs were sex positive. Like google the lyrics to "I don't want to be a housewife."
I don't want to be a housewife I'd much rather be a whore I'd rather turn some tricks Involving foot-long dicks Housework is such a bloody bore, oh blimey I don't want to mop this fucking kitchen I don't want to sweep this fucking floor I'm not even getting paid I'd rather be getting laid And as it is I have to ask for more, oh blimey
Mondays I'd strut the streets of Stratford Tuesdays I'd beat some meat in Wales And Wednesdays by the Thames I'd lay them ten by ten Thursday's saved for all that's female Friday's for hand jobs and for blow jobs Saturday's for gang-bangs occupied (occupied) And Sunday at the palace I'd mount his royal phallus And take his royal regence for a ride, oh blimey
I don't want to be a housewife I'd much rather be a whore I'd rather turn some tricks Involving foot-long dicks Housework is such a bloody bore, oh blimey Don't want to have this fucking baby I'll leave the house this very fucking day, fucking day And strut the streets of (Eugene), Oh, mighty, mighty, (Eugene), And fornicate my fucking life away!
Except who ends up in the box? The guy? So, because it's reversed it makes it ok? I just don't understand. We're not ok with the necrophilia against women but we are against men? Maybe I just don't understand how the song would go if it were reversed. Maybe I'm sex negative, I don't know.
i missed that the neophilia was in the yoho song. my bad. i thought it was just singing about blowjobs like LoveTrains posted.
i revise my statement.
both are horrible, shitty things to sing.
and saying that it brought your community together is like saying you found a sense of family while at a cross burning.
Yes, the guy ends up dead in the box. "I dig him up every now and then, yoho, yoho" goes the song.
I guess the college rugby community of New England is like the KKK now, filled with horrible shitty people including me, my husband, members of our family, and all our friends. (wilted)
I'm blown away by the fact that this is a *thing*. I am certain that these "songs" are a newish creation. If so there is no tradition to be upheld here. It's not like its some old Irish/English etc. drinking song for goodness sake. Some asshole made this up - relatively recently.