not makeup related- rapey frat continues to be rapey nsfw?

[irishbride2]

Notre Dame actually banned Rugby for life in the late 70s because of these types of songs.

[secretlyevil]

Apr 9, 2014 5:11:31 GMT -5 irishbride2 said:

Notre Dame actually banned Rugby for life in the late 70s because of these types of songs.

Interesting...

[summer]

I had no idea that rugby was associated with this sort of thing. I've also heard they have quite racist songs sometimes. I wonder where this all comes from.

[ttt]

Apr 9, 2014 5:11:31 GMT -5 irishbride2 said:

Notre Dame actually banned Rugby for life in the late 70s because of these types of songs.

My opinion of ND just went up.

[sandsonik]

Apr 8, 2014 13:24:39 GMT -5 LoveTrains said:

Go for the flames. Go all out.

Listen, I get that this song perpetuates stereotypes. I get it intellectually. But for some reason singing dirty rugby songs is just my own personal college experience and something that I loved. and not only that, in some ways it defined my college experience - I was a rugby player.

So for me to condemn the song seems to repudiate my entire college experience. It's like I can't wrap my head around it properly to explain it. I don't know if that is making any sense.

Dirty songs don't bother me. I'm not easily offended by funny/sick shit either. Especially while drunk.

But i couldn't even finish reading the S&M man lyrics, because it was so, so violent and hateful. I WISH it was just dirty. It sounded like something a really sadistic serial killer might find funny. It passed the line of just trying to be outrageous, and made me think someone was gettng off on the ultra violent images.

I won't judge you but really, you never paused once while singing and thought "hmm, impaling virgins and blenders in the twat? This is fucked up, not funny!"

[irishbride2]

Apr 9, 2014 5:51:16 GMT -5 ttt said:

Apr 9, 2014 5:11:31 GMT -5 irishbride2 said:

Notre Dame actually banned Rugby for life in the late 70s because of these types of songs.

My opinion of ND just went up.

In spite of the national media storm around the Prince Shembo alleged rape situation, IME its one of the things ND actually does the right thing about. The campus culture is such that it does not tolerate any sort of behavior like that. Even hazing is taken very seriously. Most of my closest friends were varsity athletes (as was H) and any time a team tried to haze, the result was not pretty. And if it involved something that perpetuated rape culture? Holy hell. 

[takeonyou]

I am speechless and so so disgusted right now. I cannot imagine being the parent of one of those men. I would be so ashamed to have raised a creature like that.

And now that I finished reading the thread I'm even more appalled. As a victim of a sexual assault, being held down by multiple men while they laughed as I struggled to free myself I find the fact that women sing these particularly revolting. Thankfully I was able to defend myself enough so that friends realized I was gone too long for a bathroom run at that party. I wasn't raped but damn, that shit is cold. No wonder the police brushed my report off because I wore a skirt. Clearly I wanted it because what else are bitches good for.

These songs are a nice intro for group assaults on women. It's an icebreaker to see what frat brothers are down for gang rape. Because otherwise how would you go about finding friends who can overpower one woman and rape her. It's so comforting to know these traditional songs bring like minded scumbags together.

Have fun at the reunion. Make sure to YouTube those sing a longs. I bet your families, friends, and employers will find them just as endearing.

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[IIOY]

Apr 9, 2014 5:44:26 GMT -5 summer said:

I had no idea that rugby was associated with this sort of thing. I've also heard they have quite racist songs sometimes. I wonder where this all comes from.

White men thinking it makes them tough guys.  It's the lyrical equivalent of territorial pissings, really.

[NewOrleans]

yup, still enraged 24 hours later.

[gpw]

Apr 9, 2014 8:14:41 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

yup, still enraged 24 hours later.

Yeah, this has been on my mind for longer than I'd care to admit. 

[jenny1223]

Apr 9, 2014 9:48:51 GMT -5 jenny1980 said:

Apr 9, 2014 9:24:58 GMT -5 gpw said:

Yeah, this has been on my mind for longer than I'd care to admit. 

Ditto

Me too. I read all this yesterday and didn't comment because fuck, man.

[copzpartdeux]

Not ashamed to say I had to talk to Babycopz and hear that she is ok.

[LoveTrains]

OK I took a break from the thread to let it die down and didn't read it after I said I was going to bow out until just now. But I wanted to post one last thing on the topic before I go silent on it. I have been posting on the boards for years and I appreciate that some of you say that you mostly think I am a nice, normal person. For example I have met many many posters IRL including jenny1980, and while I would always say that MM is my "home board", as MM dies to MM Moms I have been posting here more and more.

Just to clarify, the women's rugby team did NOT sing the S&M man song. That was the men's rugby team at my school. I will admit that the first time I heard it, I was like hrmm....that is kind of strange. But I guess it just became one of those things where as an 18 - 22 year old, I just shrugged it off and moved on. I'm not defending the song, I am just trying to explain my reasoning as a college student. I am also a person that has always been reluctant to disagree with the status quo or cause conflict IRL, so I'm not sure I would have had the courage to speak up about it if I was super uncomfortable at the time.

I think that is part of the reason that when I first saw the song in the post yesterday, my first reaction was oh, that's familiar to me because I have heard people sing it.

However, I definitely did some soul searching last night and yes, I agree that the lyrics to that particular song are disgusting. There are other, less offensive songs that the teams could sing, and they should move towards singing those songs exclusively.

My team does rugby reunions every five years. The last one was four years ago in the fall, and actually I'm unable to attend the one this fall because I have a work event. However, I am going to reach out to a few of my friends and former teammates to ask them if they think we can encourage the current players to move away from songs that are offensive at the reunion. The idea of the party after the game is to drink and sing, but you are right that there is no reason that they need to sing hurtful songs. There are many other rugby songs to choose from that don't involve sexual violence.

I don't know what else I can say at this point. I graduated from college 11 years ago, and I can't change how I acted or what I did then. But I think what you all did was open my eyes about how truly our society is perpetuated by the rape culture, because I will say that it never occurred to me before this post that those types of activities and songs were a problem. But I do see it now, and I will definitely think more critically about what I can do to stop perpetuating it and be a part of the solution instead of the problem.

[LoveTrains]

I did talk to H. I'm not going to tell you his take but we got into an argument about it, so you can guess.

You met him, too when we had coffee.

[secretlyevil]

Awe LoveTrains - that sucks that you guys fought. I'm sorry.

It's nice to see that you are willing to help steer a culture change.

[elleblue]

Apr 9, 2014 15:58:19 GMT -5 LoveTrains said:

I did talk to H. I'm not going to tell you his take but we got into an argument about it, so you can guess.

You met him, too when we had coffee.

I'm sorry to hear that. I'll be honest and say I'd be super disappointed and upset if my H thought that song was ok. 

[AJL]

This is all I've got. For this whole thread. Dayum!

[gpw]

Apr 9, 2014 15:58:19 GMT -5 LoveTrains said:

I did talk to H. I'm not going to tell you his take but we got into an argument about it, so you can guess.

You met him, too when we had coffee.

I think it's great that you were able to think about it and come back.  Really.  It's not easy to get the kind of reaction you got here and still come back.  

Sorry you and your H fought.  Give it time... he may think about it and come around.  

[Velar Fricative]

We're cool, LoveTrains. I'm glad you returned and I'm sorry you and your H had a fight.

[NewOrleans]

I would be deeply wounded if my husband did not see eye to eye with me on something this important.

I wish you luck sorting that out.

[Deleted]

Thanks for coming back LoveTrains. Im glad you were able to think it through. I'm sorry about your H though.

[EloiseWeenie]

LoveTrains I'm sorry you and your H fought about this. I hope that he will come around and think about what the lyrics of the song are actually saying, instead of reminiscing on fun college times.

[mouse]

This is a little long, and not entirely relevant, but I wonder if the last part ("eat shit or ruin the afternoon") will resonate with you LoveTrains. Reading this thread made me remember it.

www.shakesville.com/2009/08/terrible-bargain-we-have-regretfully.html

[KateAggie]

Apr 9, 2014 20:07:17 GMT -5 mouse said:

This is a little long, and not entirely relevant, but I wonder if the last part ("eat shit or ruin the afternoon") will resonate with you LoveTrains. Reading this thread made me remember it.

www.shakesville.com/2009/08/terrible-bargain-we-have-regretfully.html

That's really thought provoking.  Thank you for posting.  As a mom of girls, I'm finding the little stereotypical jokes are starting to bother me more and more.