Take your man around the corner where the lights are way down low Put one hand up on his shoulder and the other down below When he starts to shake and shiver and he gives a little cry Tell him that's the secret handshake of the dear old delta tri.
And in retrospect I'm embarrassed about THAT one but it seems tame now.
HOLD THE FUCKING PHONES
What is that? That is the GREATEST SONG EVER.
No wonder my father didn't press the sorority card.
"Not gonna lie; I kind of keep expecting you to post one day that you threw down on someone who clearly had no idea that today was NOT THEIR DAY." ~dontcallmeshirley
Tangent - I went to a rugby party when rushing in college and they had a tradition where they'd pick one girl from the party, get in a circle around her, drop their pants and swing their dicks around. It was supposed to be an honor.
I can't go on passed this post. I just can't. As the mother of a new sorority daughter. I may be ill.
The songs? Shut up with that garbage. Shut up. I don't give a huge elephant sized shit if they predate Jesus. Anyone who looks at them as anything less than scary isn't thinking. Period.
This is one of the worst posts in the history of this board.
The men sang the same songs, too, and their team was like the most respectful of women out of any of the men's teams on campus. My H was on the men's team, I lived in the men's rugby house, some of those guys are still my best friends 10+ years later after graduation. It was just a drunk song that was tradition. You can feel free to not believe me and disagree with me as much as you want, but I can't get that upset about the songs.
That isn't saying much. And, no, no they weren't respectful of women at all. Nope. Nope.
OK - in defense of the song "the S&M man". That is a classic rugby drinking song.
For those of you that aren't familiar with what happens after the rugby game, both games get together and sing dirty songs while drinking. It is gobs of fun.
the men's rugby team at my college always sang the S&M man song.
We sang lots of obscene songs, too, as the women's rugby team.
As a women's rugby team, we sang that "yoho yoho" song. Except that the lyrics were changed to be from a women's perspective - like a woman wanting sex. "he put his dick into my mouth, yoho, yoho"
"and then he came into my mouth, yoho, yoho" "i said <spit your beer on everyone>" get in get out quit fucking about yoho yoho yoho
So yeeah, I'm not going to get upset about the drinking songs.
ok, the yoho song i can maybe give a pass in the sex positive, celebrating being a slut.
but the S&M song. when you learned the lyrics, b/c you had to have read them a lot to later drunkenly scream them out, yes? you never once stopped and thought it was a fucked up thing to be singing about? not once?
They talk about putting her in a box for sucking too much dick? No. Not sex positive. Nope.
Except who ends up in the box? The guy? So, because it's reversed it makes it ok? I just don't understand. We're not ok with the necrophilia against women but we are against men? Maybe I just don't understand how the song would go if it were reversed. Maybe I'm sex negative, I don't know.
i missed that the neophilia was in the yoho song. my bad. i thought it was just singing about blowjobs like LoveTrains posted.
i revise my statement.
both are horrible, shitty things to sing.
and saying that it brought your community together is like saying you found a sense of family while at a cross burning.
Oh phew. See, I should have waited, but I am shocked by these songs.
I specifically asked you, specifically and clearly, if you sang "stabbing their ears and mutilating their genitals with a blender? Cutting them in half and using their own blood as lube for anal penetration?" Your response was "yes, the words were exactly the same."
You are missing the point here that perpetuation of rape culture is not a small thing and that you are motherfucking defending it because you feel that it was the essence of your childhood or some shit.
This is why I said that I'm personally struggling with it. Because generally I'm very against the perpetuation of rape culture so it's sort of a personal conundrum here.
I can ask H if the words were exactly the same to the S&M man song. It's done in a call and response kind of way, so they take turns singing out the verses and then the group chimes in with the chorus. I think I misunderstood when you asked about the words because there are two songs in the OP.
It is not a conundrum. You are not against rape culture if you are singing these songs and see nothing wrong with them. Rationalizing them means you see nothing wrong.
It is not a conundrum. You are not against rape culture if you are singing these songs and see nothing wrong with them. Rationalizing them means you see nothing wrong.
"I am generally against rape culture. Except when I'm not."
I'll bow out now. I realize I am not doing myself any favors here.
Just say you are wrong/were wrong and the song is dog shit.
This is what really baffles me the most. I've seen LT post regularly elsewhere (plus here as well) and I never would have expected this to come out of her. I really did expect that she'd get it after some internalizing and admit that the song is sick as hell, so I'm floored by the sorry/not sorry attitude that I'm detecting.
I'll bow out now. I realize I am not doing myself any favors here.
Just say you are wrong/were wrong and the song is dog shit.
And don't be a chickenshit and sing the songs during your alumni gathering. Because now that you thought about it, and see how many people are appalled... I just can't fathom gathering with my friends and putting on a shit-eating grin and belting these out.
This is one of the most disturbing things I've read here.
I showed the song to my English, former rugby player BF and he basically said "WTF" and that he had never heard that song before. But that it did sound like rugby culture, and was awful.
Lovetrains is generally a reasonable person with good morals. That's all I have to say about that I guess.
I wasn't heavily involved in the greek scene in college, but I had several friends who were so I was around it enough. I never once heard or witnessed anything like this, thankfully. So unbelievably fucked up.
And if I ever found out my child sang these songs? I would feel like a goddamn failure at life. These are the things that terrify me about raising a son and hope we are doing right by him because holy shit. The idea that regular people can just go along and sing these songs and not see the problem with it? I just... I can't even.
Post by sparrowsong09 on Apr 8, 2014 21:40:31 GMT -5
This is gross. And I would say, yes, this IS rape culture. This is the stuff that for whatever reason is considered norm and is excused away by even an otherwise rational person (WOMAN!) as normal for x, y, or z reason.
The song isnt even remotely titillating or clever. It's just plain gross.
I think LoveTrains will come around. She didn't get too defensive after that well-deserved pile-on. I imagine when you had such positive memories associated with something you now know people are appalled by (regardless of whether you should have seen it beforehand), it takes a second psychologically to process and refprmulate. So I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt that in the future she'll step up.
And somewhere these Georgia guys are saying, "Welp, it can't be THAT bad! Girls sing them, too." And then they will get a pass for this horseshit song because of that.
I honestly could not imagine getting to a place where hearing songs like that sung loudly, IN A GROUP, would be something I'd think was NBD.
Post by lyssbobiss, Command, B613 on Apr 9, 2014 0:12:33 GMT -5
I was in a sorority in college and we mostly bonded through communal showers and accidentally throwing up in each other's hair, not shouting songs about sexual assault and violation in ways I can't fully brain right now.
"This prick is asking for someone here to bring him to task Somebody give me some dirt on this vacuous mass so we can at last unmask him I'll pull the trigger on it, someone load the gun and cock it While we were all watching, he got Washington in his pocket."
According to the official letter from OSI to the fraternity that was obtained by the Technique, additional reasons for Phi Kappa Tau’s dismissal include a “pattern of sexual violence that…suggests a deep-rooted culture within the fraternity that is obscene, indecent and endangers women,” the nonremoval of fraternity members who pose a risk to others and other incidents where drinking was permitted in chapter meetings. This is corroborated by various chapter meeting minutes and emails obtained by the Technique from the OSI.
According to the official letter from OSI to the fraternity that was obtained by the Technique, additional reasons for Phi Kappa Tau’s dismissal include a “pattern of sexual violence that…suggests a deep-rooted culture within the fraternity that is obscene, indecent and endangers women,” the nonremoval of fraternity members who pose a risk to others and other incidents where drinking was permitted in chapter meetings. This is corroborated by various chapter meeting minutes and emails obtained by the Technique from the OSI.
I'm glad they were suspended. I feel like there are probably a few who need a psych eval of some sort.