I don't care if the candidate aligned on every single issue with me. If they were a racist, I would not vote for them.
I don't understand why this is so hard.
I like to think that I agree with you, but if they were an otherwise "perfect" candidate, but running against trump or someone similar? I would probably vote for them if there wasn't a good third party option. Or i would destroy my ballot. Do Americans do that?
Basically my point is that it's easy for Dems to say they'd never vote for a trump equivalent, but you never know. I just hope to goodness that the Dems never have a racist running to test that theory.
I don't think they like being summoned on command to speak for Republicans. Â
Fair enough, but I'm curious to know how they will approach the election if trump is the nom. Or how they deal with the primaries now. I don't think that's unreasonable to ask.
As someone living overseas, yes, having him in power would truly destroy the US in the eyes of Europe and much of the world. When Putin is the only person who is happy to have him on board...
Yes, can the overseas people give us some insight on how all this reads from your vantage point?
When we prefer David Cameron over Trump, you know that things are bad. But Cameron is also stating how many feel about Trump in Britain. And even Scotland Yard are anti-him. And the fact that Trump thanked one of our most hated and non-respected columnist (Katie Hopkins) and called her an 'expert' makes many laugh. Yes, there are racists who do agree with Trump in Britain, but happily they don't tend to get their idiots into the gov't (in fact, they lost people in the last election).
Or they may not like him but if he ends up with the nom will have no choice but to vote for him.
NAWL. One simply does not vote for racist assholes who are in favor of creating national registries for Muslims. No. and HELL No.
I think we forget that these SAME dayum ideas were espoused before nations started down the path of genocide. His rhetoric concerns me because it's not that far off from endorsing some of the very atrocious things that this nation has done in its short history.
I would rather vote for a goat than Hilary or Bernie.
Voting 3rd party is basically throwing my vote away. Trump is NOT any where near my ideal candidate. None of them are. I hope it doesn't come to voting for him, but I'll do if last resort.
IT'S NOT THROWING AWAY A VOTE BY NOT VOTING FOR A FUCKING RACIST.
Post by oscarnerdjulief on Dec 22, 2015 16:18:04 GMT -5
I am hard-core conservative and despise the left. I despise Hillary and dread her winning, which I feel is inevitable.
However, I will not vote for Trump. I will leave it blank like I did for governor. Couldn't vote for Kasich because of SB-5 (anti-union), couldn't vote for Democrat Fitzgerald because of issues of morality and competence. He was an extraordinarily weak candidate.
I'm so p.oed with this deal with Trump. I thought we had learned from whatever year it was when we had all the foolish Tea Party candidates (not the good ones, Toomey and Rubio) like Buck, Angle, Mourdock, and O'Donnell and lost a bunch of seats we should've won. The past two Senate cycles were pretty decent, and now this.
At this point, I'd be satisfied with an un-Trump that would hold down our Senate losses to 4 or so.
No I would NOT vote for a racist, insane asshole like trump even if he was running as a dem. That's madness
Would I vote for someone I'm not CRAZY about, of course. I'm not crazy about Hillary but I'd vote for her in the general if she wins the primary (which I assume she will).
If she was spouting INSANITY like Trump then no I wouldn't vote for her. obviously! this isn't rocket science. We all have a line and I actually cannot believe that for anybody who goes here, trump is not crossing that line.
I know it's just one person and it's tillie but I'm still really annoyed lol.
I think if a candidate came out that was 100% committed to doing something, anything, about climate change, but was racist... I'd vote for them.
Really? Goodness.
Really. Climate change scares me like no other. If we don't get it figured out soon, then other societal changes won't matter anyway. It goes back to the thread that I posted regarding climate change and how it effects minorities more than the majority. Curbing climate change and pollution will be helping those groups, even if one asshole at the top is a racist assbag.
Luckily, I haven't had to face this decision yet, and I hope I never have to.
Post by penguingrrl on Dec 22, 2015 16:21:21 GMT -5
There is no way I would vote for a candidate that I truly abhorred. I have some serious concerns about Hillary and Bernie, but both also have platforms I agree with and Hillary has shown herself very capable.
If I really disliked my party's nominee it's very easy. I would vote third party or go in, leave President blank and vote down ticket. That shows a very clear sign to the party that I want to see a better choice next election season. Just staying home and not voting is indistinguishable from apathy given how low voter turnout is anyway.
tillie there are options that are better than voting for a candidate you truly disagree with. And it certainly doesn't have to mean voting for another party (either the other major party or 3rd party). Leaving that one spot blank and voting all within your usual party down ticket is actually one of the best ways to get your point across (we saw a bit of that in PA in 2014; coupled with voting for Wolf but voting R the rest of the ticket or abstaining the rest of the ticket).
I don't think this board would, but the general population? Sadly, yes I do.
Like President Obama and his "typical white person" comment. How about Joe Bidens racist comments?
Here is the main difference in both Obama's 2007 or 2008 "typical white person" comment and Biden's terrible "jokes" about Indian accents and such... they both realized their mistakes and back-pedaled trying to fix them and apologize. Obama was trying to make a point that even a grandmother to a black man, has biases and fear surrounding black men. Biden was tone deaf with "jokes" and has apologized and stayed away from old-school jokes since then. Neither, especially Biden, are perfect. But both are, at least, introspective about what they say and deeply concerned about perpetuating stereotypes and racism.
Trump... he just keeps doubled-downing on his comments and refuses to recant or reconsider anything he says. It's a character flaw AND racist and IMO cannot be accepted.
Really. Climate change scares me like no other. If we don't get it figured out soon, then other societal changes won't matter anyway. It goes back to the thread that I posted regarding climate change and how it effects minorities more than the majority. Curbing climate change and pollution will be helping those groups, even if one asshole at the top is a racist assbag.
Luckily, I haven't had to face this decision yet, and I hope I never have to.
And voting for a known racist, especially one trying to set us back to Germany in the earlier part of the century will make the societal changes on me so
bad nothing else will matter. Sorry but I am pretty disappointed in you.
Why are you trying to talk about this? Stop trying to make this happen. We are talking about Donald Trump and your own complicity with racism, both open and systemic.
Since it looks like tillie isn't going to provide sources, I went ahead and used the googles myself. Grandmagoogles would be proud.
But I digress.
The only thing I can find is an incomplete quite from Obama, speaking about his grandmother.
The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person..." -- Barack Obama
Incomplete because the quote trails off and likely leaves out his explanation for exactly what he meant by "typical white person". I think most of us here can figure out what he meant (ie: not overtly racist but holding some unconscious biases) because even people on this board, myself included, have admitted that as awful as it is, it's often true, and have sought to educate ourselves to help unlearn these biases.
Not at all comparable to Trump's comments about Mexicans being rapists and criminals and Muslims being terrorists.
I don't care if the candidate aligned on every single issue with me. If they were a racist, I would not vote for them.
I don't understand why this is so hard.
I think if a candidate came out that was 100% committed to doing something, anything, about climate change, but was racist... I'd vote for them.
Good to know that melting glaciers trumps Black Lives Matter. Because - my black ass will always be black and this right here is why we have entire discussions about inter-sectional feminism. Because in the grand scheme of life - there will always be more pressing issues than ensuring that the centuries of institutional racism are broken down.
*writes it down for future reference*
And y'all wonder why black folks don't trust shit folks have to say. Right here folks.
And yes, I'm salty as hell about this statement. Because before I'd vote for a Dem nominee, I'd ensure that the person was not racist and was pro-choice. I don't pick the least of these things because they are the least important. But, hey, rights are only important to the oppressed, so carry on.
yes an offhand comment, later apologized for is TOTALLY the same as Donald trump and his wall to keep the dirty Mexicans out and his Nazi-like plans to brand muslims and keep them under surveillance. Totally the same thing
I don't care if the candidate aligned on every single issue with me. If they were a racist, I would not vote for them.
I don't understand why this is so hard.
I think if a candidate came out that was 100% committed to doing something, anything, about climate change, but was racist... I'd vote for them.
I am so passionate about environmental changes and I couldn't do it with someone who was overtly racist. No!
It's counter productive. How would this even ever be a platform? It's as selfish as a GOPer saying, "Let's make the economy better for us white people who deserve it and send all immigrants away." I mean, who would even consider the idea that "Let's make the environment better for white humans and screw the rest we can send them into space or make more room for ourselves with these limited resources."?!?!!
Really. Climate change scares me like no other. If we don't get it figured out soon, then other societal changes won't matter anyway. It goes back to the thread that I posted regarding climate change and how it effects minorities more than the majority. Curbing climate change and pollution will be helping those groups, even if one asshole at the top is a racist assbag.
Luckily, I haven't had to face this decision yet, and I hope I never have to.
Please to be telling this to the family of Sandra Bland, Oscar Grant, Michael Brown, Tamir Rice, do I need to keep going?
Really. Climate change scares me like no other. If we don't get it figured out soon, then other societal changes won't matter anyway. It goes back to the thread that I posted regarding climate change and how it effects minorities more than the majority. Curbing climate change and pollution will be helping those groups, even if one asshole at the top is a racist assbag.
Luckily, I haven't had to face this decision yet, and I hope I never have to.
And voting for a known racist, especially one trying to set us back to Germany in the earlier part of the century will make the societal changes on me so
bad nothing else will matter. Sorry but I am pretty disappointed in you.
I'm not saying I would vote for Trump, because I don't believe even if he was saying he'd do something about climate change, he wouldn't be able to do it because he'd alienate the rest of the world.
The fuck does Carter have to do with this shit? Hell, if we're going to go that far back let's talk Saint Reagan and the Iran Contra fuck up, or his refusal to do shit about AIDS until it became an epidemic because who care about a bunch of dead gays. You sure you wanna fucking go this route?
Don't forget introducing crack to urban areas!!!
I don't even know what we're talking about anymore because none of this stuff is a justification for voting for Trump, who is not spews racist and misogynist shit but DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THE CONSTITUTION, DOES NOT HAVE ANY ACTUAL PLANS, AND IS CONSIDERED A LAUGHINGSTOCK BY THE REST OF THE WORLD!