SCOTUS rage (@)

[rubytue]

www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-opinion-00029473

FUCK

"We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft circulated inside the court.

[pinkdutchtulips]

🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

[rubytue]

Initial draft, initial draft, Initial draft, initial draft, Initial draft, initial draft, Initial draft, initial draft, Initial draft, initial draft,

[mouse]

May 2, 2022 19:51:21 GMT -5 rubytue said:

Initial draft, initial draft, Initial draft, initial draft, Initial draft, initial draft, Initial draft, initial draft, Initial draft, initial draft,

Seems like a good way to position any fake softening as a compromise or middle ground. Fuckers.

[erbear]

Local elections have never felt more crucial. Fuck this.

[msmerymac]

I hope the silver lining is that people decide to elect Dems in the mid terms.

[rubytue]

The post has this fuckery www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/02/abortion-ban-roe-supreme-court-mississippi/

[Velar Fricative]

Alito is vile. Equal to Thomas, who...why is Mr. Insurrectionist still on the court???

[underwaterrhymes]

Anyone who didn’t vote in 2016 or who voted for Trump can go fuck themselves.

[letsgetweird]

I'm going to puke

[AJL]

Is Ketanji Brown Jackson able to weigh in on the opinion or is she not officially installed on SCOTUS yet?

[mouse]

I seriously feel like my government just decided that I’m not fully human.

[Velar Fricative]

May 2, 2022 20:21:45 GMT -5 AJL said:

Is Ketanji Brown Jackson able to weigh in on the opinion or is she not officially installed on SCOTUS yet?

She can’t weigh in since the arguments were made in December. Plus Breyer is still on the court.

[Velar Fricative]

May 2, 2022 20:05:47 GMT -5 rubytue said:

The post has this fuckery www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/02/abortion-ban-roe-supreme-court-mississippi/

Like, I can’t be grateful I live where I do anymore because they will come after every state’s abortion laws if they permit them.

[wanderingback]

I'll probably make a more comprehensive post at some point later later, but I urge people to NOT donate to planned parenthood, but if you're angry and upset please donate to independent clinics who provide most abortion care in this country and to grassroots abortion funds.

Here is a great document with great messaging and list of abortion funds in every state:
docs.google.com/document/u/1/d/1T-aDTsZXnKhMcrDmtcD35aWs00gw5piocDhaFy5LKDY/mobilebasic?urp=gmail_link

Abortion is still legal in all 50 states and medication abortion pills (mifepristone and misoprostol) can be bought online from many reputable sources (more information here: www.plancpills.org/guide) to be used now or in the future at home without a clinic visit. Please share this information on social media and with people you know.

ETA: I know we're supposed to post supporting articles, sorry I didn't include above in regards to my reasoning for not donating to planned parenthood. Example: planned parenthood is spending $16 million on a media campaign, which has upset a lot of organizations on the ground doing the work.. Plus MacKenzie Scott recently donated $275 million to planned parenthood. They don't need your money. 

www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/newsroom/press-releases/planned-parenthood-announces-16-million-paid-media-campaign-on-national-abortion-access-crisis-ahead-of-supreme-court-decision 

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mackenzie-scott-makes-record-275-million-donation-planned-parenthood-rcna21226

[rubytue]

May 2, 2022 20:27:41 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

May 2, 2022 20:05:47 GMT -5 rubytue said:

The post has this fuckery www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/02/abortion-ban-roe-supreme-court-mississippi/

Like, I can’t be grateful I live where I do anymore because they will come after every state’s abortion laws if they permit them.

I was thinking about that. I live in a state that either has or is on the verge of guaranteeing the right to abortion (I should follow this better). But then. If they do something like that in Congress… preemption and all. 

fuck

[Velar Fricative]

Also, this leak is unprecedented. I assume someone leaked it to test out how the public would take it? But, would that really change their minds anyway?

[seeyalater52]

I literally emotionally cannot handle this. Oh my god I feel like I can’t breathe.

[mouse]

I would not donate to PP for abortion care, but I would donate to their PAC for political pressure. PAC donations aren’t tax deductible and they don’t go to care, but it will go to organizing and lobbying.

NARAL is another well-established group.

The main reason I’d recommend established groups is they have experience and plans ready to put in motion. If anyone knows of smaller groups that deserve attention, please share it here.

We have to push back on this hard. This isn’t the end. We don’t let this go. And this time we bring everyone with us - especially minority and poor voices that were shut out before.

[carmenere]

May 2, 2022 20:40:25 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Also, this leak is unprecedented. I assume someone leaked it to test out how the public would take it? But, would that really change their minds anyway?

I think either A) it was leaked in hopes that public pressure would sway justices to change their vote which seems unlikely or B) it was leaked with the intent of mobilizing pro-choice voters early in the 2022 election cycle. B seems more likely since someone who would have this draft would likely know public pressure won’t change any votes.

[smock]

May 2, 2022 20:24:24 GMT -5 mouse said:

I seriously feel like my government just decided that I’m not fully human.

The draft says abortion rights are not "deeply rooted in history." But telling Americans they aren't fully human absolutely is. Which is horrific.

[TamiTaylor]

I am physically sick.

[wanderingback]

May 2, 2022 20:44:56 GMT -5 mouse said:

I would not donate to PP for abortion care, but I would donate to their PAC for political pressure. PAC donations aren’t tax deductible and they don’t go to care, but it will go to organizing and lobbying.

NARAL is another well-established group.

The main reason I’d recommend established groups is they have experience and plans ready to put in motion. If anyone knows of smaller groups that deserve attention, please share it here.

We have to push back on this hard. This isn’t the end. We don’t let this go. And this time we bring everyone with us - especially minority and poor voices that were shut out before.

I do not want to argue or go in to too many details but "being an established group" does not mean someone is worthy of donations. There are a lot of shitty established groups out there...and they've gotten us in to this mess to be honest, when a lot of grassroots organizations and reproductive justice organizations were saying to do that exact opposite of what they have been saying/doing. Remember the motto "safe, legal and rare" in regards to abortion. That was a hot mess and people on the ground were against that slogan because it's all sorts of fucked up. 

The "established groups" (planned parenthood, naral - has been a hot mess also, etc) get all the money from "anonymous" donors (aka super duper rich white millionaires and billionaires) while smaller groups who are doing the on the ground work get pennies. 

Right now people need funds and support to get abortions, point blank. 

Anyway, another well established group that I would highly recommend is If/When/How. They have a legal fund for anyone who is imprisoned for self-managing an abortion. https://www.ifwhenhow.org 

[mouse]

May 2, 2022 20:45:10 GMT -5 carmenere said:

May 2, 2022 20:40:25 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Also, this leak is unprecedented. I assume someone leaked it to test out how the public would take it? But, would that really change their minds anyway?

I think either A) it was leaked in hopes that public pressure would sway justices to change their vote which seems unlikely or B) it was leaked with the intent of mobilizing pro-choice voters early in the 2022 election cycle. B seems more likely since someone who would have this draft would likely know public pressure won’t change any votes.

Or to make any changes seem like a compromise. That’s more or less what they’ve done all along - positioning each decision chipping away at rights but still “preserving Roe.”

Until now they’re not. And the positioning will be that individual states can still have abortion care/people can travel for care. Until they attack that as well.

[mcppalmbeach]

Seriously fuck these fuckers. I am enraged.

[pumpkin]

May 2, 2022 20:41:53 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

I literally emotionally cannot handle this. Oh my god I feel like I can’t breathe.

This is where I’m at.

[estrellita]

I feel so hopeless. Where will they stop? Why even have Supreme Court decisions if they think this way? How the FUCK does our system let these people get appointed by people that didn't win the popular vote? I could go on and on.. this is so completely fucked up.

[carmenere]

May 2, 2022 20:55:05 GMT -5 mouse said:

May 2, 2022 20:45:10 GMT -5 carmenere said:

I think either A) it was leaked in hopes that public pressure would sway justices to change their vote which seems unlikely or B) it was leaked with the intent of mobilizing pro-choice voters early in the 2022 election cycle. B seems more likely since someone who would have this draft would likely know public pressure won’t change any votes.

Or to make any changes seem like a compromise. That’s more or less what they’ve done all along - positioning each decision chipping away at rights but still “preserving Roe.”

Until now they’re not. And the positioning will be that individual states can still have abortion care/people can travel for care. Until they attack that as well.

Are you suggesting that a justice or someone acting under official direction intentionally released it for that reason?

[dancingirl21]

I felt really hopeless when I read about this earlier. Like we are going backwards. Then my state rep posted this, and it made me realize we need these local elections so much. We need to get angry, and organized.

[mouse]

May 2, 2022 20:54:27 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

I do not want to argue or go in to too many details but "being an established group" does not mean someone is worthy of donations. There are a lot of shitty established groups out there...and they've gotten us in to this mess to be honest, when a lot of grassroots organizations and reproductive justice organizations were saying to do that exact opposite of what they have been saying/doing. Remember the motto "safe, legal and rare" in regards to abortion. That was a hot mess and people on the ground were against that slogan because it's all sorts of fucked up. 

The "established groups" (planned parenthood, naral - has been a hot mess also, etc) get all the money from "anonymous" donors (aka super duper rich white millionaires and billionaires) while smaller groups who are doing the on the ground work get pennies. 

Right now people need funds and support to get abortions, point blank. 

Anyway, another well established group that I would highly recommend is If/When/How. They have a legal fund for anyone who is imprisoned for self-managing an abortion. www.ifwhenhow.org 

I 100% agree that PP and NARAL have been hot messes on the wrong side of history. They abandoned minority and poor women who needed them most. They’re not perfect, but they’re taking a lot of steps to address that history and make sure what happens going forward is different.

I obviously know my local area better, but within Oregon, years of political pressure and lobbying mean that we’ve guaranteed the right to abortion care in our constitution and required that insurance cover it 100%. That’s building relationships with politicians, canvassing for them, lobbying (both paid and volunteer), as well as building coalition partnerships with workers groups, immigration groups, unions, minority-led groups, students, etc. It’s very different than getting care on the ground, but I think we have to find a way to make noise and not let this keep getting pushed to the back burner so long as a politician is willing to mumbles something about “between a woman and her doctor.” We need to create a space for the conversation to be so much bigger than that.

I’m sorry, I don’t really want to argue either. But it’s actually really helping me process this blow to think through this. I’m just sitting here stunned, and Mr M keeps saying “can I do anything?” at me. So what I’m trying to say is, if you have room for a conversation, I would really welcome it but I understand if you don’t. I would sincerely love to hear your thoughts on the kinds of political pressure you’d like to see brought in.