SCOTUS rage (@)

[basilosaurus]

May 8, 2022 20:26:15 GMT -5 dove said:

May 8, 2022 10:20:28 GMT -5 redheadbaker said:

www.reuters.com/world/us/louisiana-legislators-advance-bill-classifying-abortion-homicide-2022-05-05/

Louisiana lawmakers have advanced a bill that would abolish abortion in the state, grant constitutional rights to "all unborn children from the moment of fertilization" and classify abortion as a homicide crime.

ACLU of Louisiana advocacy director Chris Kaiser said the measure also would criminalize in vitro fertilization and various forms of birth control by defining a fertilized egg before implantation as a person.

I’m concerned about how this will affect IVF patients in that state. I recognize many of us are past that phase in life.

It doesn't matter if we're personally past it. I used to be a clinic escort with much older
women who knew life pre-Roe. They were amazing escorts and mentors to me in my early days of activism. It doesn't matter our age or sex, we need to stand up and encourage others to do so.

And, yeah, it will absolutely affect IVF.

These fucknuts also think your standard birth control pill is an abortifacient, so it affects that, too (fuck science!). And forget IUDs, the most effective, economical form of protection. They've been trying to do away with that for more than 10 years. If I had a teen girl, with her consent of course, I'd get her an IUD or implanon asap. And PP said their pediatrician basically said to do so, so I don't think I'm alone in that sentiment. I was an early volunteer with CO's HOPE (hormones, optional pelvic exam) program, and they shortly after offered free IUDs. Teen pregnancy rates dropped, as expected, but to a huge degree. 

But, in news to no one here, they don't care about prevention. They care about control. They don't care about safety, they want to control. That's the end game. The pill was the greatest invention for women's liberation. They want to turn back that clock because mediocre white men cannot handle the competition. 

[underwaterrhymes]

Yes, it’s absolutely about misogyny and control. But it’s also about racism.

The anti-abortion movement is FOUNDED in racism. In fact, Republicans actually supported Roe v Wade in higher numbers than Democrats (although it was popular on both sides) when Roe was first decided because they wanted limited government.

Then along came desegregation. Although Brown v the Board of Education had happened earlier, it took an absurdly long time to desegregate. The religious right was upset about losing their tax advantages they had at schools that were still segregated, but they knew that would be poor optics, so instead they made it about abortion to bring in voters. Abortion went from an issue that received relatively bipartisan support to being one of the most polarizing issues because right wing nut jobs wanted their all white schools.

And you hear echoes of that in the brief in the words “domestic supply of infants.” They know people are making the choice to have fewer children and they want to maintain control by forcing people to make more babies that white people can raise.

[btdt]

May 8, 2022 23:10:54 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

May 8, 2022 20:26:15 GMT -5 dove said:

These fucknuts also think your standard birth control pill is an abortifacient, so it affects that, too (fuck science!). And forget IUDs, the most effective, economical form of protection. They've been trying to do away with that for more than 10 years. If I had a teen girl, with her consent of course, I'd get her an IUD or implanon asap. And PP said their pediatrician basically said to do so, so I don't think I'm alone in that sentiment. I was an early volunteer with CO's HOPE (hormones, optional pelvic exam) program, and they shortly after offered free IUDs. Teen pregnancy rates dropped, as expected, but to a huge degree. 

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Both of my daughters (ages 21 and almost 24) have an IUD, and have since their teenage years. Does the older daughter who is a lesbian need it for birth control? Not so much. BUT IT IS FUCKING HEALTHCARE!!!!! Her periods were awful, but her body cannot tolerate BCP. When she was on BCP, her blood glucose levels would spike (up to 400+) for no apparent reason. A nurse at her endocrinologist's office speculated that the BCP might be the reason (since she didn't have diabetes). She is so much healthier with an IUD.

[rubytue]

May 9, 2022 6:18:59 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

And you hear echoes of that in the brief in the words “domestic supply of infants.” They know people are making the choice to have fewer children and they want to maintain control by forcing people to make more babies that white people can raise.

On the one hand, I understand that line was taken from another government report (maybe CDC), and likely written by an economist. On the other hand, fuck that shit. 

I was conceived in 1973, and adopted. I have spent a long time reading about that era, homes for unwed mothers, etc. About 8 years ago I got my records and learned that, yes, my bmom considered abortion, but she wasn’t a teen mom sent away or anything. But Ive also learned other things about my infancy that juts disgust me with the whole “adoption industry”. Like, apparently I was considered hard to place because… get this, my newborn hair was strawberry blond. And apparently redhead, white babies were harder to place. And the whole tucking “chose one myth” thing they told adoptees in the 70s and 80s… mind fuck. 

This is all about white, Christian families being able to steal babies. With no consideration for the ramifications it does to the mothers or the babies. 

By the way, my parents were on the waiting list for 4 months before this little redhead showed up in 1974. So yeah, much less waiting than even pregnancy. 

edit - if you want to read about how much the pre-roe world messed up mothers whose babies were entered into the adoption machine, I recommend smile.amazon.com/Girls-Who-Went-Away-Surrendered-ebook/dp/B008RMF4GS/ref=sr_1_1 It really changed my perspective on things. 

[cville]

I keep coming back here in the hopes that it'll all have been a nightmare. Or there's a simple solution. But of course it isn't and there isn't.

RAGE

[TamiTaylor]

One major thought I have aside from the attack on womens’ healthcare is what precedent does this set to start revisiting prior SC rulings and trying to strike them down based on their own political ideology. It makes ever ruling at risk and demolishes the integrity of the country’s highest court. How can the people of this country have faith in the SC after this. By trying to strike down their own courts prior rulings are they not in violation of working to uphold the constitution?

[gardengal]

May 9, 2022 7:19:10 GMT -5 btdt said:

May 8, 2022 23:10:54 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

These fucknuts also think your standard birth control pill is an abortifacient, so it affects that, too (fuck science!). And forget IUDs, the most effective, economical form of protection. They've been trying to do away with that for more than 10 years. If I had a teen girl, with her consent of course, I'd get her an IUD or implanon asap. And PP said their pediatrician basically said to do so, so I don't think I'm alone in that sentiment. I was an early volunteer with CO's HOPE (hormones, optional pelvic exam) program, and they shortly after offered free IUDs. Teen pregnancy rates dropped, as expected, but to a huge degree. 

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Both of my daughters (ages 21 and almost 24) have an IUD, and have since their teenage years. Does the older daughter who is a lesbian need it for birth control? Not so much. BUT IT IS FUCKING HEALTHCARE!!!!! Her periods were awful, but her body cannot tolerate BCP. When she was on BCP, her blood glucose levels would spike (up to 400+) for no apparent reason. A nurse at her endocrinologist's office speculated that the BCP might be the reason (since she didn't have diabetes). She is so much healthier with an IUD.

I think men that support birth control bans on female contraceptives cannot wrap their heads around that BCP/IUD/etc treat a range of health-related things, not fetus related, from acne to heavy periods. Like, minds blown & cannot believe that a pill can be used for multiple things.

Meanwhile...vasectomies, which as far as I know are SOLELY to prevent the accidental spillage of fertile seed, are never mentioned. Because HE totally should decide whether or not he wants kids, am I right?!

[slimpickins]

May 9, 2022 14:43:24 GMT -5 gardengal said:

May 9, 2022 7:19:10 GMT -5 btdt said:

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I think men that support birth control bans on female contraceptives cannot wrap their heads around that BCP/IUD/etc treat a range of health-related things, not fetus related, from acne to heavy periods. Like, minds blown & cannot believe that a pill can be used for multiple things.


They think all of those ailments are just in our head.

[Velar Fricative]

May 9, 2022 14:26:11 GMT -5 TamiTaylor said:

One major thought I have aside from the attack on womens’ healthcare is what precedent does this set to start revisiting prior SC rulings and trying to strike them down based on their own political ideology. It makes ever ruling at risk and demolishes the integrity of the country’s highest court. How can the people of this country have faith in the SC after this. By trying to strike down their own courts prior rulings are they not in violation of working to uphold the constitution?

And this is why I’m not sure many people in this country understand where we are headed with this (the SCOTUS certainly does though). Our rights are not guaranteed and the state laws being pushed or passed as a result of what other states are pushing or passing just won’t stop. If people thought there were two Americas already, wait until we see what happens next.

[NewOrleans]

amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/05/08/politics/mississippi-abortion-contraception-roe-wade-cnntv/index.html

Mississippi Republican Gov. Tate Reeves on Sunday hedged when asked if his state would consider banning certain forms of birth control if the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade, only offering that it's "not what we are focused on at this time."

"And while I'm sure there will be conversations around America regarding [birth control] it's not something that we've spent a lot of time focused on," Reeves told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union" when asked if his state would consider targeting intrauterine devices and Plan B -- amid some Republican calls to ban forms of birth control. During an interview on NBC's "Meet the Press" later Sunday, Reeves said he didn't think future Mississippi legislation would "apply to those that choose to use birth control."

[NewOrleans]

Man tells protestors their bodies are his.
( but sure sayve baybeze)

www.newsweek.com/man-tells-abortion-rights-activists-your-body-mine-viral-video-1704667?amp=1

Unsurprisingly, Republicans in Congress are calling him a hero so we’re reaching the honesty stage earlier than anticipated

www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/man-in-fdny-clothes-in-viral-abortion-protest-video-isnt-a-firefighter-dept-says/3678437/?amp

He’s not actually FDNY so I need the internet to do its thing. 🪄 ✨

[cattledogkisses]

Republicans are going to try to pass a nationwide abortion ban if they regain control of Congress.

www.npr.org/2022/05/09/1097614463/white-house-responds-to-protests-over-leaked-supreme-court-draft-opinion-on-roe

[NewOrleans]

May 9, 2022 17:20:52 GMT -5 cattledogkisses said:

Republicans are going to try to pass a nationwide abortion ban if they regain control of Congress.

www.npr.org/2022/05/09/1097614463/white-house-responds-to-protests-over-leaked-supreme-court-draft-opinion-on-roe

There’s a lot to process there but

Republicans weaponized the protests (outside Justices’ houses). McConnell called them "an attempt to replace the rule of law with the rule of mobs."

— no, they’re just treating them the way they treat patients outside clinics.

and McConnell said if the draft represented the final ruling, "legislative bodies ... certainly could legislate in that area."

— so much irony in what bodies can and can’t do. 😒

[isabel]

This place is completely out of control.

[isabel]

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I had a tubal salpingectomy in 2017. It was an elective procedure because I knew I was done having kids. How long until that procedure is illegal or requires a doctor to sign off saying it is medically necessary?

I am so appalled at the very idea, yet it seems entirely realistic now.

[cattledogkisses]

May 9, 2022 21:54:54 GMT -5 isabel said:

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I had a tubal salpingectomy in 2017. It was an elective procedure because I knew I was done having kids. How long until that procedure is illegal or requires a doctor to sign off saying it is medically necessary?

I am so appalled at the very idea, yet it seems entirely realistic now.

Me and my other CFBC friends have been discussing this. We’re all seriously considering it at this point because we have the same fears about permanent birth control (birth control in general) being restricted in the future. 

[ECB]

It's stunning to me that we're actually at this precipice. That not only are we looking at the overturning of Roe vs Wade, but at the many other possibilities that could come from it.

The Republicans and religious right have played a really smart long game - I'll say that much. While the rest of us sat by and "went high".

In that, though - what do you any of you think may hurt them? While there are a decent number of people who are anti-choice when it comes to pregnancy, taking away or restricting birth control will impact many of these same people. Will they really be on board with this? Or is the religious right over estimating how far they can go, how wide their support is?

Abortion has been "the" topic my entire life. Do people read too much in to what anti-choice supporters support past abortion?

[Velar Fricative]

May 10, 2022 7:33:21 GMT -5 ECB said:

It's stunning to me that we're actually at this precipice. That not only are we looking at the overturning of Roe vs Wade, but at the many other possibilities that could come from it.

The Republicans and religious right have played a really smart long game - I'll say that much. While the rest of us sat by and "went high".

In that, though - what do you any of you think may hurt them? While there are a decent number of people who are anti-choice when it comes to pregnancy, taking away or restricting birth control will impact many of these same people. Will they really be on board with this? Or is the religious right over estimating how far they can go, how wide their support is?

Abortion has been "the" topic my entire life. Do people read too much in to what anti-choice supporters support past abortion?

Remember that it doesn't actually matter if they're in the minority. They've gerrymandered their way to state legislatures. They continue to suppress voting. They have a clear future advantage in the Senate given how representation works. A majority of us would hate this, but we're not the ones in power in most places and at most levels. And where we do have power (House, Senate, WH), it is very fragile or won't last forever. 

[wanderingback]

May 10, 2022 7:33:21 GMT -5 ECB said:

It's stunning to me that we're actually at this precipice. That not only are we looking at the overturning of Roe vs Wade, but at the many other possibilities that could come from it.

The Republicans and religious right have played a really smart long game - I'll say that much. While the rest of us sat by and "went high".

In that, though - what do you any of you think may hurt them? While there are a decent number of people who are anti-choice when it comes to pregnancy, taking away or restricting birth control will impact many of these same people. Will they really be on board with this? Or is the religious right over estimating how far they can go, how wide their support is?

Abortion has been "the" topic my entire life. Do people read too much in to what anti-choice supporters support past abortion?

As someone mentioned above, it seems like most people forget that white supremacy and racism is at the core of this, which is what the foundations of this country are built on. And it’s not going away anytime soon.

We’ve seen this coming for years and Black organizations have been yelling about it. A LOT of Black people live in the south but who holds the power…white people. Between generational wealth, voter suppression, gerry mandering, racism that puts more Black people in jail, etc, white people retain power.

The power of white supremacy and privilege is real.

ETA: the fact that so many people are just like omg this sucks, we never saw this coming, shows why this has been happening and the power of privilege. Abortion access and rights have been really shitty for awhile.

[redheadbaker]

Some privileged white male on the Anti-Work subreddit was conspiracy theorizing that this leak was "an orchestrated plot to subvert the focus on the midterms away from the economy."

No, dude.

Another idiot commented about "this surprise decision." It was only a surprise decision if you haven't been paying attention. They tried to amend that by saying, "it's not unexpected given the makeup of the court but it's been a mystery about when they would overturn it." Again, no, not if you've been paying attention.

[cattledogkisses]

May 10, 2022 8:47:53 GMT -5 redheadbaker said:

Some privileged white male on the Anti-Work subreddit was conspiracy theorizing that this leak was "an orchestrated plot to subvert the focus on the midterms away from the economy."

No, dude.

Privileged navel-gazing men like to ignore the fact that reproductive rights *are* an economic issue... especially in a country that doesn't have universal healthcare, paid parental leave, or subsidized childcare.

[Velar Fricative]

May 10, 2022 9:04:53 GMT -5 cattledogkisses said:

May 10, 2022 8:47:53 GMT -5 redheadbaker said:

Some privileged white male on the Anti-Work subreddit was conspiracy theorizing that this leak was "an orchestrated plot to subvert the focus on the midterms away from the economy."

No, dude.

Privileged navel-gazing men like to ignore the fact that reproductive rights *are* an economic issue... especially in a country that doesn't have universal healthcare, paid parental leave, or subsidized childcare.

Force them to provide child support from the moment of conception if the pregnant person names them as the father and they'll see how fast they suddenly frame reproductive rights as an economic issue.

[jeaniebueller]

May 10, 2022 8:47:53 GMT -5 redheadbaker said:

Some privileged white male on the Anti-Work subreddit was conspiracy theorizing that this leak was "an orchestrated plot to subvert the focus on the midterms away from the economy."

No, dude.

Another idiot commented about "this surprise decision." It was only a surprise decision if you haven't been paying attention. They tried to amend that by saying, "it's not unexpected given the makeup of the court but it's been a mystery about when they would overturn it." Again, no, not if you've been paying attention.

Are you telling me that leftist white men don't have their fingers on the pulse of issues that affect women and children or other marginalized groups? No way! 

[sonrisa]

May 10, 2022 8:18:18 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

May 10, 2022 7:33:21 GMT -5 ECB said:

It's stunning to me that we're actually at this precipice. That not only are we looking at the overturning of Roe vs Wade, but at the many other possibilities that could come from it.

The Republicans and religious right have played a really smart long game - I'll say that much. While the rest of us sat by and "went high".

In that, though - what do you any of you think may hurt them? While there are a decent number of people who are anti-choice when it comes to pregnancy, taking away or restricting birth control will impact many of these same people. Will they really be on board with this? Or is the religious right over estimating how far they can go, how wide their support is?

Abortion has been "the" topic my entire life. Do people read too much in to what anti-choice supporters support past abortion?

As someone mentioned above, it seems like most people forget that white supremacy and racism is at the core of this, which is what the foundations of this country are built on. And it’s not going away anytime soon.

We’ve seen this coming for years and Black organizations have been yelling about it. A LOT of Black people live in the south but who holds the power…white people. Between generational wealth, voter suppression, gerry mandering, racism that puts more Black people in jail, etc, white people retain power.

The power of white supremacy and privilege is real.

ETA: the fact that so many people are just like omg this sucks, we never saw this coming, shows why this has been happening and the power of privilege. Abortion access and rights have been really shitty for awhile.

this circles back to someone's point above about making it a felony - and felons not being able to vote. Another step in the long history of disenfranchising people.

[sonrisa]

May 10, 2022 8:47:53 GMT -5 redheadbaker said:

Another idiot commented about "this surprise decision." 

Look back at November 2016. there is a thread right after the election where people speculated about the consequences of electing Trump. The very first thing mentioned is abortion becoming illegal/overturning Roe

[sonrisa]

May 9, 2022 21:53:32 GMT -5 isabel said:

This place is completely out of control.

The US? or CE&P? or this thread?

[sonrisa]

May 9, 2022 14:26:11 GMT -5 TamiTaylor said:

One major thought I have aside from the attack on womens’ healthcare is what precedent does this set to start revisiting prior SC rulings and trying to strike them down based on their own political ideology. It makes ever ruling at risk and demolishes the integrity of the country’s highest court. How can the people of this country have faith in the SC after this. By trying to strike down their own courts prior rulings are they not in violation of working to uphold the constitution?

Anything predicated on a right to privacy is under attack with this - regardless of what they say. 

[isabel]

May 10, 2022 11:40:44 GMT -5 sonrisa said:

May 9, 2022 21:53:32 GMT -5 isabel said:

This place is completely out of control.

The US? or CE&P? or this thread?

The US. Not CEP. Lol

[neverfstop]

Sen. Bob Casey (D-PA), one of the last remaining Democrats who describes himself as “pro-life,” announced Tuesday that he intends to vote for the Women’s Health Protection Act, which would enshrine abortion rights in federal law.

[wildrice]

May 10, 2022 6:42:53 GMT -5 cattledogkisses said:

May 9, 2022 21:54:54 GMT -5 isabel said:

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I had a tubal salpingectomy in 2017. It was an elective procedure because I knew I was done having kids. How long until that procedure is illegal or requires a doctor to sign off saying it is medically necessary?

I am so appalled at the very idea, yet it seems entirely realistic now.

Me and my other CFBC friends have been discussing this. We’re all seriously considering it at this point because we have the same fears about permanent birth control (birth control in general) being restricted in the future. 

I did this last fall and I have no regrets. It was a fairly easy surgery/recovery and definitely worth it IMO, especially now. I was having surgery to take care of a suspicious ovary (that ended up being nothing) so asked them to just take my tubes too. So it wasn't a part of a c-section or anything. I have a few smallish scars but other than that was fully recovered within less than a month.