CA bans new sales of gas cars by 2035

[stever]

Aug 29, 2022 16:00:57 GMT -5 @villainv said:

Yes, we are all going to have to collectively re-think how we use cars. When we lived in the UK we were shocked at how small the cars were. A smaller SUV (think VW Tiguan or Volvo SC-60) we’re considered BIG….like obscenely big. People think nothing of taking a family of 4 on a weekend holiday in a VW Golf. So, yeah, makes me think that perhaps my family of 3 really doesn’t “need” a car as big as what we have!

We’ll have to re-think where we shop and how much we buy, where we live and how we get to work, how we plan road-trips and deal with fuel stops. All of this is a GOOD thing. Our lines of thinking (favoring personal convenience over collective good) is what got us into this mess in the first place. And it will be uncomfortable, but we’ll figure it out. [/


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If my 20-year-old sedan is capable of getting my active kids, their stuff, my husband, me and my wheelchair around then it’s fine for pretty much everybody else. The idea that SUVs are a necessary component of modern life boggles my mind.

[satsuma]

Aug 29, 2022 14:03:40 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

As someone who doesn’t drive I find these conversations fascinating. While I obviously do not discount the structural inequity that makes transportation really challenging for some, I also get really exhausted hearing people of relative means/ability insist they “can’t” take public transit. Not driving is (sort of) a choice I’ve made and I’m used to compensating for it but I’ve successfully taken transit for both commute and recreation places I’ve lived where transit is framed as “bad” or “not an option” by people who have never or only rarely tried to take it. I grew up very poor in an extremely rural area so I’m not unfamiliar with places where that is, strictly speaking, true, but I’m talking about relying on cars where you could easily or with some minor modifications make a different choice to walk/bike/transit and just… don’t. As a society we have made a choice historically to make it really easy for car travel to be the path of least resistance. I’m glad to see that shifting and I hope this move by CA and hopefully other states improves the market on EVs because I’d like for our next car to be an EV and since it’s our only car and we don’t have a huge budget the options weren’t great for us the last time we bought 6.5 years ago.

My family car when I was a kid was a small hatchback. We’d just rent a full sized sedan if we were going on a road trip. One of my friends uses a car share service if she’s running to Costco. So many people use outlier events to make these buying decisions. People also need to get more involved in local politics and demand things like safe bike lanes and better mass transit.

[erbear]

Aug 29, 2022 11:36:59 GMT -5 mskitkat said:

Aug 29, 2022 9:51:34 GMT -5 msmerymac said:

Here's a list of all the EVs coming to market in the next few years that was published in January of this year.

www.caranddriver.com/news/g29994375/future-electric-cars-trucks/

What I’m getting from this list is to cross my fingers my car makes it until 2023.

That’s my dream. I am saving for an EV now and need my car to make it to 2023. We are a one car family and I drive mostly to and from work (8 miles) so can easily be done on a charge. Outside of that, we don’t drive — DH rides the train to work and we live in a very walkable city.

[msmerymac]

Aug 29, 2022 18:32:33 GMT -5 satsuma said:

Aug 29, 2022 14:03:40 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

As someone who doesn’t drive I find these conversations fascinating. While I obviously do not discount the structural inequity that makes transportation really challenging for some, I also get really exhausted hearing people of relative means/ability insist they “can’t” take public transit. Not driving is (sort of) a choice I’ve made and I’m used to compensating for it but I’ve successfully taken transit for both commute and recreation places I’ve lived where transit is framed as “bad” or “not an option” by people who have never or only rarely tried to take it. I grew up very poor in an extremely rural area so I’m not unfamiliar with places where that is, strictly speaking, true, but I’m talking about relying on cars where you could easily or with some minor modifications make a different choice to walk/bike/transit and just… don’t. As a society we have made a choice historically to make it really easy for car travel to be the path of least resistance. I’m glad to see that shifting and I hope this move by CA and hopefully other states improves the market on EVs because I’d like for our next car to be an EV and since it’s our only car and we don’t have a huge budget the options weren’t great for us the last time we bought 6.5 years ago.

My family car when I was a kid was a small hatchback. We’d just rent a full sized sedan if we were going on a road trip. One of my friends uses a car share service if she’s running to Costco. So many people use outlier events to make these buying decisions. People also need to get more involved in local politics and demand things like safe bike lanes and better mass transit.

And here in the Philly area, an end to free/cheap street parking. The "but I go down the shore three times a year and NEED a car to take my dog and my stuff" people who otherwise just store their 15 year old sedan on the street at all times is pretty maddening. God forbid they not be able to park right in front of their house. 

And no, Philly doesn't have street sweeping or alternate side parking, so there's no parking turnover. 

[SusanBAnthony]

We don't have an EV (yet?) but we do take the rent what we need approach. Every year or so we'll have a big road trip with multiple passengers and we'll just rent a minivan for the week. Soooooo much cheaper than owning a big car all the time!

[mrsukyankee]

Even in London, people are fighting giving up their cars. I hear it all the time on our neighbourhood FB groups. It's ridiculous. "But I have kids and need it." "But it's going to take a bit longer to take the bus/tube." "Why is London making it so expensive to own a car that isn't fuel efficient?" And we have an amazing bus/tube network. We have a growing movement toward electric outlets for electric cars. If it's fought so hard here, where public transport is much more of a norm, I can imagine the fight in the US. (luckily, London tends to go toward the more liberal governments overall, so the choices made are better for all of us).

[audette]

I'm finding myself now researching what it would take to get a full electric vehicle when we replace my car. It's over 15 years old, bought new... I know we're approaching the point where it needs replacing, so perhaps it's time to jump on the newer tech options! Heck, even my employer has sent out a survey asking about folks interest (or already ownership) of electric cars, which makes me think the office is considering getting some charging stations...


The electric panel in our house is full, so we'd need to probably upgrade the panel or get a secondary panel installed. And, if we're breaking into the idea of electric work, perhaps it's time to consider solar, too... We have a corner lot, with the side of the house to the south, which is probably good for solar, I'm guessing.

[wawa]

Aug 29, 2022 21:59:13 GMT -5 msmerymac said:

Aug 29, 2022 18:32:33 GMT -5 satsuma said:

My family car when I was a kid was a small hatchback. We’d just rent a full sized sedan if we were going on a road trip. One of my friends uses a car share service if she’s running to Costco. So many people use outlier events to make these buying decisions. People also need to get more involved in local politics and demand things like safe bike lanes and better mass transit.

And here in the Philly area, an end to free/cheap street parking. The "but I go down the shore three times a year and NEED a car to take my dog and my stuff" people who otherwise just store their 15 year old sedan on the street at all times is pretty maddening. God forbid they not be able to park right in front of their house. 

And no, Philly doesn't have street sweeping or alternate side parking, so there's no parking turnover. 

Philadelphia has one of the most toxic relationships with street parking of anywhere I've done work. They take the cake. S. Philly in particular.
But it's still a hot button for pretty much everyone. I've probably had more bike lane or traffic calming projects go off the rails because of parking impacts than any other reason.

Free car storage is one of those things people really truly think they're entitled to everywhere in the US outside of Manhattan (not even all of NYC is immune from that insanity) and it's incredibly hard to get them to budge. 

I could go on.  I'll refrain. 

[sapenguin]

Aug 29, 2022 12:53:06 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Aug 29, 2022 10:55:56 GMT -5 sapenguin said:

Hi. I'm normally a lurker but I wanted to jump in because I work for a California electric utility that is heavily focused on decarbonization and electrification. We are very customer focused and support the move to EVs as much as we possibly can. My role is actually to educate our business customers and I hire professionals to teach about things like ev charging infrastructure, ev fleets, etc. We also have programs to incentivize EVs and ongoing R&D to support the shift. We're one of the most enthusiastic entities working on this but many larger utilities and government agencies are all in on this. All this is to say, I see the infrastructure concerns here and share them, but I believe we can do this and still support underserved communities throughout the state. We have the political will and the funding to help make this transition.

I think people are more worried about what happens when the car industry shifts outside of CA. Which it has been for a bit, but it's going to move much faster now. If I had to guess, I'd say the rural south is going to be particularly hard hit.

Oh, I see. I was in this space when ARRA funding came through from Obama and there was so much great work done with that. So I really hope IRA funding does the same thing throughout the country. And at the very least, maybe market adoption in California brings EV prices down significantly and other states can learn from our mistakes learning and implementing charging infrastructure.

[sapenguin]

Aug 30, 2022 10:04:56 GMT -5 audette said:

I'm finding myself now researching what it would take to get a full electric vehicle when we replace my car. It's over 15 years old, bought new... I know we're approaching the point where it needs replacing, so perhaps it's time to jump on the newer tech options! Heck, even my employer has sent out a survey asking about folks interest (or already ownership) of electric cars, which makes me think the office is considering getting some charging stations...


The electric panel in our house is full, so we'd need to probably upgrade the panel or get a secondary panel installed. And, if we're breaking into the idea of electric work, perhaps it's time to consider solar, too... We have a corner lot, with the side of the house to the south, which is probably good for solar, I'm guessing.

You might consider a smart panel. SPAN has really neat technology that may help you avoid an upgrade. Schneider has something similar, as well.

[satsuma]

Aug 29, 2022 14:52:05 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Aug 29, 2022 14:33:16 GMT -5 picksthemusic said:

Here is all the info for WA:

www.commerce.wa.gov/growing-the-economy/energy/electric-vehicles/

We intend to make our future vehicle purchases EVs. Subaru has a really nice one coming out next year (this thread prompted me to look at them):

www.subaru.com/solterra-ev?GOOGLE700000001067987Subaru+EV71700000083708664Solterra+EV58700007066264264subaru+electric+carp6364073902043700063640739020&s_kwcid=subaru%20electric%20car&s_kwid=keyword&s_kwcid=subaru+electric+car&ds_kids=p63640739020&ds_kid=43700063640739020&utm_source=paid-search&utm_medium=google_cpc&gclid=CjwKCAjwx7GYBhB7EiwA0d8oeyK1jpvZJVhzuxL9Es49wHSHuRnn3_ibgAGVr9BJ9mZqOc4oIyXn9hoCwzsQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

I have a Subaru hybrid, bought new, and it's a piece of junk. It's been one issue after another. Never again.

I’m never sure how to evaluate automakers’ BEVs vs ICE cars. Toyota makes amazing hybrids but their BZ4X was underwhelming even before the recall issues. I know they have a solid state battery in the works which sounds promising. Meanwhile GM has put out some solid BEVs but I would never look at their ICE vehicles.

[pixy0stix]

Aug 30, 2022 13:30:41 GMT -5 satsuma said:

Aug 29, 2022 14:52:05 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

I have a Subaru hybrid, bought new, and it's a piece of junk. It's been one issue after another. Never again.

I’m never sure how to evaluate automakers’ BEVs vs ICE cars. Toyota makes amazing hybrids but their BZ4X was underwhelming even before the recall issues. I know they have a solid state battery in the works which sounds promising. Meanwhile GM has put out some solid BEVs but I would never look at their ICE vehicles.

The Subaru hybrid has Toyota guts. Subaru is a Toyota subsidiary (or whatever it's called).

[meanie]

Aug 26, 2022 9:46:57 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

It's not about the cost of electricity. You make the change or we die. That's it. That's the post.

Y'all. I post articles that very concretely lay out how the world is completely and utterly fucked in the next 20 years, and I don't get a single response. We're talking about extinction level events.

Then a post about a simple concrete change that is going to happen to make a big impact, and all we get are, "but but we can't do that because of xyz!" I know it's because the scale of the impacts of climate change can't be comprehended, but for fucks sake.

I don't usually post here but this x100000.

Being able to charge your electric car won't matter any more when your house is submerged underwater/on fire/knocked down from an earthquake

The warnings have been coming for decades and now we are pretty much out of options.

[satsuma]

Aug 30, 2022 13:59:44 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Aug 30, 2022 13:30:41 GMT -5 satsuma said:

I’m never sure how to evaluate automakers’ BEVs vs ICE cars. Toyota makes amazing hybrids but their BZ4X was underwhelming even before the recall issues. I know they have a solid state battery in the works which sounds promising. Meanwhile GM has put out some solid BEVs but I would never look at their ICE vehicles.

The Subaru hybrid has Toyota guts. Subaru is a Toyota subsidiary (or whatever it's called).

For PHEV and the Solterra BEV, right? It's just odd that Toyota has made great hybrids and PHEVs (everyone raves about the RAV4 Prime) and then biffed it on the BEV and then Subaru's PHEV and BEV are both duds. Just in general, it's difficult to judge an automaker across engine platforms.