"I cannot clarify the details of the story right now, not that I particularly want the public to know. I refer to what they've done to me as sexual assault since that's what they did to me. There's a fine line between assault and rape in the eyes of the law. I cannot lie to me it feels like rape.. But, according to the law it's assault. Which is what I refer it to and I stay to the truth."
Also, every news story I have read says that she did not file charges until after she found out the pictures had been cirulated - so there was no way for a rape kit to be collected if there was a rape.
AGAIN - I am not saying she WAS raped by the legal def in KY (which per the statute I just looked up, is definied as sexual intercourse ONLY - very very very limited). She feels it was rape, which is why she used the term. But I am not saying she was NOT raped either. We don't know.
None of this makes it a rape. There is plenty to be mad at with what these boys did. She doesn't need to throw around a loaded and very meaningful word to drive the point home. She was violated. It was horrendous. The boys were prosecuted. There is an element of injustice in that their sentences were seeminly quite light.
None of that is a rape. Not knowing what happened is not a rape. Feeling like you were raped even though there was no penetration is not a rape. If one of this fuckwagons put a dick in her mouth THAT is rape, maybe not under KY law, but under federal law and I'm fine with her calling it rape if that's what happened. But I cannot find anything actually saying that that is what happened. And, not to get all martyrish here, but that girl owes it to women who have been actually raped, to not call what happened to her "rape" just because she's really, really, really, really and rightfully pissed off about it.
That is the whole point I am trying to make. Calling her a liar when we don't know WTF actually happened, since those details have not been disclosed, is ridiculous. In KY, they could have shoved shit up her vag and taken pics of it, and that would not be rape under the statutes I posted above. But I can certainly understand why SHE would think that was rape. Maybe none of that happened and she was using rape purposly because she knows its impact. WE DO NOT KNOW. She feels she was raped. KY state law does not agree. That is all we know.
This thread makes my head want to explode. There are so many assumptions flying it is ridiculous.
This is what we know. The girl was sexually assaulted while passed out. We do not know if that included rape or not. The girl says it did, the court did not issue that specific conviction. Just because they were not convicted of rape does not mean that rape did not occur - but it also does not mean that it did. They then sent the pics around to all their buds - hence the voyerism conviction. This is what we know.
To call the girl a lying lier who lies is fucking ridiculous, since know one has a fucking clue if she is lying. In addition, she is a young kid, and her definition of rape might not be the precise legal one. Maybe they penatrated her vaginally or anally with other objects, and she feels that is rape. Maybe they fingered her and she feels that was rape. I am honestly a bit sick to my stomach reading that people are automatically assuming she used the "wrong" word. I mean, the fuck? i feel like we are playing a game of legitimate rape here.
And yeah, it would have been wrong of her to use the word rape if they did not rape her in any shape or form, but I can't drum up any sympothy for those raging assholes to give a shit. She was sexually assulted whatever way you look at it, so I don't think it diminishes p in v rape.
NO! The girl DOES NOT say it did. She is calling the removal of her clothing and the touching of her body without any penetration "rape." And that is wrong.
If someone has a quote to dispute that, please show it to me. I'm having a hard time following all of the various "news outlets'" coverage of this issue, but it seems consistently from article to article that the one thing that is missing is anything even remotely suggesting this woman was actually raped, forcibly, cooercively, "dately" or otherwise. There was no penetration of either her vagina or her anus by any body part of any defendant.
ETA: Also, I think that it is extremely important that this girl may not be using the legal definition of rape. That word has a legal meaning. If she says they raped her, she better know what that means. If she thinks she "could have been raped" she should say that. If she thinks it "felt like a rape" she should have said that. But to say, "I was raped" when there was no penetration of any of your body parts by any of *their* body parts and then for us to sit around and try to say, "Well, but we know what she meant." No, huh-uh. You put that shit on facebook and it has consequences. Particularly when it's untrue and in violation of a direct court order.
"I cannot clarify the details of the story right now, not that I particularly want the public to know. I refer to what they've done to me as sexual assault since that's what they did to me. There's a fine line between assault and rape in the eyes of the law. I cannot lie to me it feels like rape.. But, according to the law it's assault. Which is what I refer it to and I stay to the truth."
Also, every news story I have read says that she did not file charges until after she found out the pictures had been cirulated - so there was no way for a rape kit to be collected if there was a rape.
AGAIN - I am not saying she WAS raped by the legal def in KY (which per the statute I just looked up, is definied as sexual intercourse ONLY - very very very limited). She feels it was rape, which is why she used the term. But I am not saying she was NOT raped either. We don't know.
This thread makes my head want to explode. There are so many assumptions flying it is ridiculous.
This is what we know. The girl was sexually assaulted while passed out. We do not know if that included rape or not. The girl says it did, the court did not issue that specific conviction. Just because they were not convicted of rape does not mean that rape did not occur - but it also does not mean that it did. They then sent the pics around to all their buds - hence the voyerism conviction. This is what we know.
To call the girl a lying lier who lies is fucking ridiculous, since know one has a fucking clue if she is lying. In addition, she is a young kid, and her definition of rape might not be the precise legal one. Maybe they penatrated her vaginally or anally with other objects, and she feels that is rape. Maybe they fingered her and she feels that was rape. I am honestly a bit sick to my stomach reading that people are automatically assuming she used the "wrong" word. I mean, the fuck? i feel like we are playing a game of legitimate rape here.
And yeah, it would have been wrong of her to use the word rape if they did not rape her in any shape or form, but I can't drum up any sympothy for those raging assholes to give a shit. She was sexually assulted whatever way you look at it, so I don't think it diminishes p in v rape.
While getting pregnant young is hard, at least she got pregnant young outside of the cult. Inside the cult she would have been married off and pregnant by now anyway. Good for her.
I don't know. Saying someone killed your family drunk driving when they didn't is pretty repugnant, actually. I hadn't heard about this.
He knows damn well the driver wasn't drunk and he used the death of his wife and child to gain public sympathy and political support. Disgusting. Plus he trashed the reputation of the other driver who was found not to be at fault.
This is ludacris to me. He would have gained plenty of sympathy for having lost his wife and daughter in accident, no matter the cause (if that was his sole intent). Dude ACTUALLY has to live with the fact that his wife and daughter died - this is not a political ploy. Maybe he is convinced to this day that the truck driver was drunk. Maybe he tells himself that so he does not blame his wife. WHo the fuck cares? The end result is that he lost his wife and daughter, and that is horrific. I DO NOT understand the judgment.
WHOA....I want to make it clear that I was not defending his comments (which I never saw, but kinda got now). I was just saying something that others were saying about Tosh in defense of Tosh. I thought the parallel was interesting.
This is way beyond a parallel and you know it. Dylanite knew it would for sure be very upsetting to arborgirl. It was personal and cruel.
Actually he had no idea. Not that it would have been a great thing to say regardless, but he had no idea that it was so personal. But whatever.
I can say whatever the hell I want to my husband. But I have no desire to kick him off the board.
I'm not saying you should.
I'm just saying your husband is a bit of an ass. ::shrug::
I am not going to defed what he said in this thread, although I knwo his intention was not to be cruel. I am going to defend him in general though - as he is decidedly NOT as ass. He has his board persona, but as a person he is one of the nicest people I have ever met.
So everyone can judge me by association, that is fine.
Like people don't get judged about their spouse's behavior? Is this really such a stretch?
I would like to think that since I have been a member of this community for 5 years, people would have had time to form their own opinion of me apart from whatever they happen to think of my husband.
I just hope I never get to the point where I can't look at my husband and say, dude, you've been really assy lately. Can you not piss where I drink quite so often, my dear?
I can say whatever the hell I want to my husband. But I have no desire to kick him off the board.
FYI, I am my own person. Dyl is his own person. If anything that HE says on this board should not reflect on me in any way. Yes, I am married to him. Yes, I love him. But judging me based on what he says? Making me look bad by association? THE FUCK?
Dylanite, you seem to have nothing but disdain for everyone on this board and the topics discussed here. I'm not really sure why you're even here. Your wife is a valued member of the community and you're making her look bad by association, FYI.
If it were about a man getting raped by 5 guys, I think a lot more people would think it was funny. But we'd never know, because no one would be talking about it.
Maybe, but I have a feeling Tosh wouldn't be one of those people.
See, this I don't get. Tosh makes fun of everyone. So why wouldn;t he find this funny?
I mean, I do find it ridiculous that they couldn't even get uniforms made in the USA, but it is not really something I want congress worrying about. You know, with the whole economy, war ect.
I can't believe I just read a six page thread about people I've never heard of.
Watch some Louis C.K. comedy. Or his show Louis. He is hilarious is ways that most other comedians are not. Plus he is smart as hell.
"I thought for like five years that when you have sex, you come and one of your balls comes out. That's what I thought happened, that you have to come a ball out of that little whole at the tip of your dick. I was terrified! That's what I thought, you just... Bahh! And you push a ball out and she's screaming and there's blood everywhere... and you can only do it twice and then you're out of balls. That's what I thought. You come and have two babies, and then you just walk around with an empty sack for the rest of your life. Which turned out to be true..."
"guy. I got a lot going from me. I’m a healthy, I’m relatively young. I’m white; which thank God for that sh** boy. That is a huge leg up, are you kidding me? I love being white I really do. Seriously, if you’re not white you’re missing out because this sh** is thoroughly good. Let me be clear by the way, I’m not saying that white people are better. I’m saying that being white is clearly better, who could even argue? If it was an option I would reup ever year. Oh yeah I’ll take white again absolutely, I’ve been enjoying that, I’ll stick with white thank you. Here’s how great it is to be white, I could get in a time machine and go to any time and it would be fuckin’ awesome when I get there. That is exclusively a white privilege. Black people can’t fuck with time machines. A black guy in a time machine is like hey anything before 1980 no thank you, I don’t want to go. But I can go to any time. The year 2, I don’t even know what was happening then but I know when I get there, welcome we have a table right here for you sir. … thank you, it’s lovely here in the year 2. I can go to any time in the past, I don’t want to go to the future and find out what happens to white people because we’re going to pay hard for this shit, you gotta know that … we’re not just gonna fall from number 1 to 2. They’re going to hold us down and fuck us in the ass forever and we totally deserve it but for now wheeeee. If you’re white and you don’t admit that it’s great, you’re an asshole. It is great and I’m a man. How many advantages can one person have? I’m a white man, you can’t even hurt my feelings. What can you really call a white man that really digs deep? Hey cracker … oh ruined my day. Boy shouldn’t have called me a cracker, bringing me back to owning land and people what a drag."
This is what I'm thinking. It really depends on Tosh's delivery. The precedent is there that comedians sometimes just lose their cool.
That makes sense.
Also, I agree w/ lyss's assessment of Tosh. I feel like his smirk is always saying "this is such a ridiculous sentiment" while making the offensive comment/joke.
Yup. And he says offensive shit about EVERYONE. Gay people, Black people, Mexicans, Native Americans, Women, Men, Mentally Handicapped, Physically Handicapped, ect, ect, ect. It is not like his schtick is just making fun of women and talking about rape.
I think he crossed the line this time - but I don't think he was SERIOUS. I mean come on. It was a joke, but it was a bad and poorly timed one.
And Will is a Republican, and I think he is a smart/witty character. He doesn't attack conservatives, just the crazy wing of the tea party.
Exactly. He has said many times he is a registered R, but that he thinks the Tea Party has hijacked the right. So I think there will be a lot of good, intelligent discourse in the future.
I'm a hermit and I hate talking to people but I'm also nosy and I love knowing what they're up to, so FB is perfect for me. There are people I wouldn't have much other contact with. I actually have one friend from HS who is not on FB and I've fallen way out of touch with her compared to her sister who I was not previously good friends with, but who is on FB.
This is me exactly. The chance of me picking up the phone and calling someone that is not H, my Mom, my Dad, my Sister or my 2 BFFs is less than zero. So for socially weird people like me, I love FB.